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Bloodborne |OT+++| ...and so the Nightly Hunt continues
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Isn't that how most conversations for tough games like these go, complaints are met with variations of ''just get good like me'', they meant to do this.
Man, this thread is going downhill...
BTW, has anyone seen these maps (http://bloodborne.wiki.fextralife.com/Maps)
They seem very useful, especially the Forbidden Woods one because I'm sure I missed a lot there.
BTW, has anyone seen these maps (http://bloodborne.wiki.fextralife.com/Maps)
They seem very useful, especially the Forbidden Woods one because I'm sure I missed a lot there.
So maybe you can see his point as well then? I and many others see this system as a insignificant way to punish players that only really manages to do so effectively early in the game and mostly only against bad players.
For everyone else it is just a process of tedium that is required every now and then to replenish a bountiful resource that doesnt really serve as much of a risk aversion that several people assert it is. That the cons of this system far outweigh the pros because for most, the risk aversion effect is close to zero, pretty much indistinguishable from Dark Souls and less then Dark Souls 2 and Demons Souls, but the tedium of vial grinding is something that can never be fully eradicated due to the games design. Which means that for many it just adds a layer of monotony to the experience, no matter how small, that really isn't outweighed by the pros.
The_Darkest_Red
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Thanks, same to you buddy. Not sure why I'm getting heated about this to begin with, it's really a minor issue to me and has barely affected my enjoyment of the game.
I feel like the vial system punishment isn't very significant either. I can buy about 50 vials after 5-10 minutes of grinding. It just feels unnecessary having to sit through load times and grind out enemies in another area instead of trying the boss again. The Dark Souls II system was more fun to me because I felt the tension rising with each failed attempt as my max health continued to go lower and lower. I rarely used effigies simply because I am a hoarder and I preferred learning how to beat the boss without taking much damage, haha. It felt like a good balance to me.
Anyway, I can at least see why some people prefer the blood vial system and I think Sullichin's points about how the game is different in other ways are fairly sound. It sure isn't going to stop me from adoring the game regardless.
Beelzebufo
Banned
He had no idea what it was going to do lol. That's still an accomplishment. They even acknowledged they aren't that good haha.
Level up to 140 and I can help!
I'm currently trying to get through the Lower Fisty Chalice Dungeon, and managed to figure out the second boss.
I don't see how chalice dungeons were supposed to supplement a gameplay session, the difficulty gaps are all over the place.
I don't see how chalice dungeons were supposed to supplement a gameplay session, the difficulty gaps are all over the place.
Chime maidens generating red aggro spiders can eat my ass
GwyndolinCinder
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Yep, gotta keep the weak down and uplift the elite
Its more about acknowledging there are two sides to the coin, the vial system can either be rewarding or punishing.
If there was no regain mechanic i would agree that the system is a downgrade from estus, but there is a regain mechanic.
Its a design decision not a flaw, just like how the story telling is a design decision.
I never really ran out of vials. One time I spent about 20k echoes on 50ish vials. Never had to farm or anything.
Estus is still the superior system. It's clean and balanced. x heals per life. x gets a little bigger as the game gets harder. Vials works but the mechanic is sloppier.
Estus is still the superior system. It's clean and balanced. x heals per life. x gets a little bigger as the game gets harder. Vials works but the mechanic is sloppier.
gioGAF
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My advice: Whenever you see a green elevator, get on it. Using it "unlocks" it, so you can use it from both locations, and most importantly almost always answers the questions: Is there a lantern? Do I have to back track?
Tomeru
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Never got the need to grind. No vials left? Kill a few monsters, buy several vials, and by the time you get to your destination, youre full of them.
super-famicom
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Guys, let's put aside the blood vial discussion and ask the bigger question: who would win in a fight, Iron Tarkus from Dark Souls or the Hunter by Grand Cathedral lamp?
Man, I used so many.
From the top of my head I can remember those three:
Cainhurst Helmet
Crowfeather Garb
Surgical Long Gloves
Hunter Trousers
Tomb Prospector Hood
Charred Hunter Garb
Choir Gloves
Tomb Prospector Trousers
Gray Wolf Cap
Tomb Prospector Garb
Surgical Long Gloves
Executioner Trousers
There are a few more I like to use, but I won't really remember piece by piece without having the game to consult >_>
EDIT: Always for fashion, fuck stats.
That actually makes a lot of sense. You convinced me.
I think people are making a big deal out of the blood vial mechanics. It's just there to add an extra layer of caution. Most hardcore Souls fans have already worked out and understand the losing & regaining of souls so they probably wanted to add more caution and tension to the game.
It's clear to me anyway that From wanted to make this game as similar to Demon's as possible (with probably some pushing from Sony themselves) and this is a refinement of the herb system. You can't abuse it anywhere near as much and you have to manage your resources more carefully as was probably intended with herbs.
It's not perfect but I don't really feel it's a legitimate flaw like the fact that you have to go through two loading screens when using a "bold hunter's mark" or the fact that you can't just sit at a lamp to replenish the enemies in an area.
It's clear to me anyway that From wanted to make this game as similar to Demon's as possible (with probably some pushing from Sony themselves) and this is a refinement of the herb system. You can't abuse it anywhere near as much and you have to manage your resources more carefully as was probably intended with herbs.
It's not perfect but I don't really feel it's a legitimate flaw like the fact that you have to go through two loading screens when using a "bold hunter's mark" or the fact that you can't just sit at a lamp to replenish the enemies in an area.
Bl4ckSunsh1n3
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I farmed them once. Once I started doing chalice dungeons I was almost always at ~23 on me and 80-99 in storage. They gave me a ton of them.
super-famicom
Member
Absolutely! Though I do change for the lower depth chalice dungeons, I like having that defense and resistance.
PapaEmeritus
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This boss sucks, I was running around all last night, Benny Hill theme playing. Has to be a troll boss
Tomeru
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I dont think a single souls npc would win against any hunter. They are just too slow.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Is anyone else going to give VaatiVidyas Bloodborne Challenge?
Basically, the objective is to kill as many hunters as you can within 15 minutes. The guy who gets the most kills wins a PS4 or something. It's a really fun challenge and you get to experience some of the toughest fights in the game (for the reason that you're all stressed up and you're under-geared/leveled).
Killing 4 hunters was insanely fun - I'm thinking 5 is impossible within 15 minutes. Unless I'm missing something out.
Basically, the objective is to kill as many hunters as you can within 15 minutes. The guy who gets the most kills wins a PS4 or something. It's a really fun challenge and you get to experience some of the toughest fights in the game (for the reason that you're all stressed up and you're under-geared/leveled).
Killing 4 hunters was insanely fun - I'm thinking 5 is impossible within 15 minutes. Unless I'm missing something out.
I dont know why but I tend to like the promotional equipment the most for fashion (so I always used the Elite Knight Armor on DS1), so in this game I either use the Bloodborne promotional hunter set or the Charred one from Project Beast.
Exception was DS 2, were I used the Alva set because it looks so good.
Beelzebufo
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Probably the Hunter. Tarkus can't heal while the Hunter can, and Tarkus is amazing because of how in your face he is, while the secret to beating the Hunter is just walking away.
Good luck!
That boss is weird. It was really hard for me when I first faced it. In NG+ It stood still for half the fight :| This was after a fresh boot and with 50+ Insight.
jic
That boss is weird. It was really hard for me when I first faced it. In NG+ It stood still for half the fight :| This was after a fresh boot and with 50+ Insight.
Is that the one with the Undead Giant? He was rather difficult in comparison to everything else in the dungeon. Hell, he was harder than the main game bosses to be honest.
SkylineRKR
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Cainhurst set with Chikage and Evelyn all the way.
Also like the Yahar Gul set and Executioner set.
Also like the Yahar Gul set and Executioner set.
I can help in half an hour if you don't mind helping me with the defiled layer 3 boss
Nothing happening, maybe Rom has to be dead. But someone said you can get to Cainhurst by killing only one boss, but I doubt it because I already had to kill 2.
Yeah, not gonna lie, for my first character, the moment that frenzy started building up I went like NOPE and equipped my best frenzy resistance equipment.
Now it's not necessary because I know where to go, how to avoid it as well as possible and don't waste sedatives, but on my first try? I had to put Fashionborne down for a while.
The_Darkest_Red
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The armor designs in this game are incredible. So many amazing looking sets and they are all incredibly intricate and detailed.
Beelzebufo
Banned
Nah, I got to it before beating Rom. You also need to kill 2 in NG, but only Gascoigne in NG+.
PoweredByHentai
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There are quite a few times where he was one hit away from dying. XD
Playing cautiously in this game is more like playing as if you are a samurai. You want to engage your enemies on your terms (your strike range and positioning) while staying out of their strike zones.
It is very different from playing as a knight/tank where you can afford to receive the hit because you have a shield.
Yep, it's my video. It was my first time fighting her, so I didn't know what to expect. I was trying different buffs (fire, arcane, electricty), Molotov's etc. to see what would work best.
I wasn't trying to imply that I did good, just that I beat the boss on my first try and I'm not that great at the game.
I definitely took a beating.
Agreed. Textures on Cainhurst set are amazing!
KZObsessed
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People keep missing the obvious benefits of Blood Vials when talking about the negatives. With Estus Flasks if you used a few during the level you're at a disadvantage when you get to the boss and only have a few left whereas with Bloodborne if you use a few during the level most likely you'll still have 20 before the boss due to the really generous drop rate of Blood Vials. It's also satisfying when enemies drop them when you're at full health because it just adds to your total stock for when you need them. All it requires is a bit of resource manaagement, spend any spare Blood Echoes after levelling up to buy some vials. I have 99 vials in storage and only ran out once when I got stuck at an optional boss due to being underlevelled. Since then never had an issue.
The Blood Vial mechanic also makes the regaining health through attacking more important as you can avoid having to use one of your resources. If your Blood Vials just respawned you'd just use one and not take the risk. The Blood Vial mechanic has clearly been thought through, which is why they've restricted the amount you can carry unlike in Demon's Souls, and it's definitely the right decision for the game alongside the regaining health through attacking as they compliment each ofther well. But I guess people just miss their regenerating health. You can prefer the Estus Flas system that's fine, personally I prefer Blood Vials, but just because you do doesn't make a different mechanic "bad game design" that's just showing your ignorance. It's clearly been thought through and makes sense with the other design decisions.
The Blood Vial mechanic also makes the regaining health through attacking more important as you can avoid having to use one of your resources. If your Blood Vials just respawned you'd just use one and not take the risk. The Blood Vial mechanic has clearly been thought through, which is why they've restricted the amount you can carry unlike in Demon's Souls, and it's definitely the right decision for the game alongside the regaining health through attacking as they compliment each ofther well. But I guess people just miss their regenerating health. You can prefer the Estus Flas system that's fine, personally I prefer Blood Vials, but just because you do doesn't make a different mechanic "bad game design" that's just showing your ignorance. It's clearly been thought through and makes sense with the other design decisions.
You definitely need to kill two without cheating.
Father to get to grand cathedral and Vicar Amelia to get the password to the forbidden forest. From there you can grab the summons in the clinic and run to the area in hemwick where the pillar is. If it's NG+ though you already have the password.
I mean the approach about using healing items, it is the same for me in both games. Obviously the gameplay aspect is different here.
Although I dont think it's free to block in DS, you lose a shitton of stamina blocking.
Interfectum
Gold Member
I agree. The art across the board in this game is amazing. The armor, the enemy designs and the environments.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
The thing I like about the Chalice dungeons is although they are definitely hard they are really fair. The boss spawn points are really convenient.
Every little tiny chain link is modeled in the armor sets. Its crazy. And the ambient occlusion adds a lot.
If we get a time travel DLC again, it would be hilarious if we saw the password guy the day he started guarding the door to the Forbidden Woods.I hope we get much more when the Ludwig of the First Hunt DLC comes out
"I wonder when someone will get the password?"
...and very helpful because Dungeon bosses can be unforgiving so dying a lot is nothing strange.
Yes you can (but only after dying at least once inside).
The_Darkest_Red
Member
Most definitely. FROM is in a league of their own with this stuff. Cainhurst in particular absolutely floored me from an artistic design standpoint, truly spectacular.
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