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Bloodborne |OT+++| ...and so the Nightly Hunt continues
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Ok... So, I am not fully understanding how the Chalice dungeons work. I just completed the 3rd layer of the Pthumerian chalice and beat the Watchdog. There doesn't seem to be anything left for me to do in this dungeon, but I thought every dungeon had 4 layers?
I found 3 other chalices while beating that dungeon. Should I start the other dungeons by removing the chalice, or just use another ritual alter?
I found 3 other chalices while beating that dungeon. Should I start the other dungeons by removing the chalice, or just use another ritual alter?
RandomSeed
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I'm sick of reading about blood vial crap. I'll be in the Dark Souls 2 thread asking about durability like the sophisticated motherfucker that I am.
Most of them have 3 bosses/layers, some 4.
You can remove it, but don't have to. It depends if you plan to return if you left something unexplored.
You can just use the coffin skip for the summons.
Then kill Gascoigne and Witches and you're good to go.
Or maybe you don't even need Witches? Never tried to get there before killing them.
Then kill Gascoigne and Witches and you're good to go.
Or maybe you don't even need Witches? Never tried to get there before killing them.
Not all have four layers. Three is the norm. Lower Pthu has four layers from what I remember.
You can use the other alters.
Root ones are the random variations, the one you get after the final boss is the next depth of that line of dungeons.
GwyndolinCinder
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I would argue spider bell maidens are not fair at all...
Witches must be defeated
http://bloodborne.wiki.fextralife.com/Cainhurst+Set
There's an actual cainhurst set you can get a bit later. I'm wearing it now, but kind of prefer the Knight Set with a hood. mix and match all day e'reday.
Need that physical defense though.
did you know that
Chikage
knocks the spiders on their back when it's being 2-handed. any source of blood damage has that effect it seems, makes it much easier to deal with those dudes imo, that and actually using your firearms.
Besides pointless vial grinding, and the fact it isn't consistently dropped by enemies in the game,
- Pointless warping to Hunter's Dream to warp somewhere else
- Vials and bullets don't replenish after an invasion so after every encounter you need to go through 2 loading screens if you want to be even with your opponent.
- The summoning system is bad, just bad.
- Trying to co-op or invade in Chalice Dungeons is hilariously bad.
- Chalice Dungeons, I assume, are supposed to be for end game replayability, but there is little to no reason to do them after finishing the final boss inside them.
- Weapon imbalance, stuck using Threaded Cane for so long while there are 6 more strength weapons I'll never use. Evens up at the end but sucks during the playthrough.
- This is just me, but I don't like the bosses. Most of them are easy, and they look pretty, but instant kill attacks are bullshit. I feel bad for my nephew. Don't tell me to git gud, I've already beaten some of the hardest bosses without using vials.
If I keep going I'll be heading into more opinion oriented complaints rather than design flaws.
I myself never had an issue having to grind for vials, I've done it maybe once or twice, but I'm never going to tell anyone "git gud" to defend a pointlessly tedious mechanic. People learn to play the game differently at different speeds, there is no need to annoy somebody for dying by having them go kill mobs of people in the beginning area. It might as well be an infinite 20 because once you get far enough you will end up having 99 of them in your storage at all times.
I don't really care to argue about this. I still like the game a lot, but it's not perfect.
PoweredByHentai
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Yep, it's my video. It was my first time fighting her, so I didn't know what to expect. I was trying different buffs (fire, arcane, electricty), Molotov's etc. to see what would work best.
I wasn't trying to imply that I did good, just that I beat the boss on my first try and I'm not that great at the game.
I definitely took a beating.
Yeah, but you did really well in surviving that shadow arena skill she uses.
Losing stamina for blocking isn't a big deal since stamina regenerates rather quickly. And again, this is the biggest difference between playing like a knight and playing like a samurai. I didn't think that my experience with Bushido Blade would actually help me in Bloodborne.
Now, if Bloodborne allowed parries via weapons, that would be amazing and potentially more frustrating to fight hunters.
Kamina
Golden Boy
When I started my new save the other day I already knew where to get everyting but the horse carridge cutscene didn't show before i beat the witch of hemwick.
WhiskerFrisker
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God, yes. The hunter outfits in the beginning in the game already looks cool. The later ones are awesome. I hope dlc adds a bit more and unique outfits.I hope we get much more when the Ludwig of the First Hunt DLC comes out
At level 60 you might want to come back later but that dude is always going to hit like a truck, you should be learning how to dodge that shit..... dodge ALL of his shit.
Dang. Is there a way to reach the Cathedral Ward without beating
Shadows of Yharnam
Rom
Father Gascoigne
Seems like you must defeat at least two bosses even with sequence breaking.
Absolutely. I think people got so used to Estus that resource management in this regard has become alien. Its adds back a layer of intensity and risk/reward that Estus sort of short-circuited to some degree. Even though I adore Dark Souls (1).
You can try and come back later or...
wait for him to transform his weapon[ and go outside. After weapon transformation he will start losing health.
It is and you're putting faith into the person who summoned you that they won't be stupid, else more waiting and loading screens.
There's only 3 layers for each dungeon from what I've seen.
You likely need the Loran Bastard item which you need to get from the Ailing Loran dungeon.
Kamina
Golden Boy
Oh man, i guess i'll have to loose 25 then....If you have 15 or less insight she doesn't do that move.
Thanks!
I think you must defeat Father, I'm not sure.
That is really interesting good to know that I have....options.
Beelzebufo
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That's not a second phase. Just keep rolling until its over.
Dude you should be good at avoiding spiders now between Rom and the part in the Nightmare. Just kill the bell maiden and they disappear.
He killed me last night with this magic AOE and I knew, just knew, I'd been shamed by a Pinwheel tier boss fight.
Oh man, I do NOT miss the stupid low weapon durability of DS2.
PoweredByHentai
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You need to kill the witches to get a tool. So I highly recommend killing the witches and getting the tool.
Goddamn, even KOTOL is kicking my ass. 2 fucking swings and I'm dead. This is bad.
Kamina
Golden Boy
I mean the part where it gets dark and there are two of her. It definitley fwwls like a second phase. How will rolling help of i can't hit her without having the other one on my ass?
WhiskerFrisker
Member
Easier said than done. When there's two of them in the other room along with other enemies, it gets incredibly annoying. The spiders hit hard and has a long reaching attacking. I truly hate them.
Making durability low but autorepairing at bonfires was the only thing mechanically different in DkS2 that I thought was brilliant. Durability is an annoying hassle that never really amounts to much in the other games but in DkS 2 it actually matters but isn't a hassle to repair. You have three weapon slots, always keep a light weapon on hand as an emergency back up.
It's not permanent. Just stall for time If you can't get a hit in.
I shall pour out a Blood Vial for you and the hunter homies who have succumbed to him.
Kamina
Golden Boy
Okay, thanks, will do.
SkylineRKR
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Vial system doesn't suck in itself. But drops seem to be fixed at certain places and enemies. Such as brutes and pigs. I think Demon's Souls also had this, with Old Spice only dropping in Latria, but I had less of a problem with it in that game. Probably also because the cap was much higher. And Full Moon would healh completely, thus less being needed. Then you could also carry half moon just in case and so forth. I just never ran out.
Except for one
, I didn't one shot any other boss in this game. Its my fate.
went very smooth sailing but I didn't know they had an ohko grab and thus they got me.
didn't kill me at all, but his adds did because I wanted to kill that blood chunk fella.
Actually, I was like 10% from one shotting both
.
Except for one
Celestial
Witches
Micolash
Actually, I was like 10% from one shotting both
Ebrietas and Gehrman. But they cheated me over.
super-famicom
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The Rain King
Member
It will end after a short while. Just run around until it does.
Ah, I apologize then. I didn't actually make the run myself so I wasn't aware the
witches
Beelzebufo
Banned
So your argument is that the vial system is good because it rewards you for wasting time farming vials and souls, and punishes you for just trying to beat bosses over and over? It's bad game design. Your second point then counteracts your first one, since a greater emphasis on regaining health through attacking would exist if you reduced the number of available blood vials to Estus-levels
Compared to the Estus system the blood vials do two things:
- Place reliance on the amount of consumables you have rather than your own skill during boss battles (since you can carry so many vials if you put in the time)
- When the player actually faces a difficult fight or area, they have to backtrack and engage in tedious busywork.
It's not a second phase lol. Just do it.
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