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Witcher 3: Official Gameplay Trailer
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This. I haven't really been impressed with the consoles when it comes to multiplatform releases. Not to mention this is CDPR's first game on a Sony platform.
So to answer Serick, you have a very powerful CPU and a great GPU. Get the PC version.
I had to.
This is gonna be me every day until May 19th
I feel compelled to add that initially, I was responding to someone with a 670, not a 770.
UnrealEck
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Oh I think I should say this too about the GTX 770, being an owner of one (which is away being repaired and taking way too fucking long 
)
I think it came at a bad time. It cost me £315 new in June 2013 and came with 'just' 2GB of memory. The GPU in it is still quite good. The 2GB though is a bit of a pain for those who want to go SLI with it. The 4GB card will be holding up better for those who bought it, but it cost them a good bit more to buy and now just a year or so later we got the 970 with a standard 4GB.
It's a card I kinda wish I hadn't bought, but I'm not too bummed about it since I did get my use out of it.
I think the 700 series in general was a bit late. The 780 Ti is holding up really well against the 970 and 980 but it still has that 3GB memory instead of 4GB. But the cost was pretty substantial for the Ti.
Long story short, I think the 700 series' value dropped like a rock really quickly.
)I think it came at a bad time. It cost me £315 new in June 2013 and came with 'just' 2GB of memory. The GPU in it is still quite good. The 2GB though is a bit of a pain for those who want to go SLI with it. The 4GB card will be holding up better for those who bought it, but it cost them a good bit more to buy and now just a year or so later we got the 970 with a standard 4GB.
It's a card I kinda wish I hadn't bought, but I'm not too bummed about it since I did get my use out of it.
I think the 700 series in general was a bit late. The 780 Ti is holding up really well against the 970 and 980 but it still has that 3GB memory instead of 4GB. But the cost was pretty substantial for the Ti.
Long story short, I think the 700 series' value dropped like a rock really quickly.
"Don't expect a world of difference"
"I would recommend the PS4 version" - At the 670 poster
"20fps is not anywhere near my definition of "a world of a difference" (my actual words)."
"I didn't say marginal"
Okay.
Already listed the hardware I am talking about twice now.
When you said 280, I thought we were talking about a GTX 280. Need to clarify we're adding another variable in. We had been comparing nvidia cards to the consoles, not PC radeon to PC nvidia.
Also, what your link shows me is not only does the 770 run Ryse @ higher FPS than the Xbox One but with MUCH higher IQ.... So not sure what you're trying to show here when we're talking about PC hardware vs. the consoles. If anything you just illustrated my point that PC's outperform consoles?
The GTX 770 wasn't released in 2011.
Your Crysis comparison also doesn't hold for several reasons. First, 360 and PS3's aren't mobile PC's in a box, XO and PS4 are. Second, the console versions of Crysis 3 were severely gimped to run on the consoles vs. the PC. You are illustrating lack of work/support put into the PC version of a game released 2 years ago, not a power gap caused by optimization of 360/PS3 APIs.
Yet you were responding to and quoting me and I never stated I had a 670.
trained as Witcheress, irc pretty much full training without the chemicals (Trial of Grasses), And she was trained as Sorceress by Yen and Triss
I need a new pc *shrug*
Indeed. Different words mean different things.
I'm not playing semantics here, those words convey different ideas. "Don't expect a world of a difference" does not mean your 770 is "marginally" more powerful.
I was giving an example of a "weaker" card outperforming a stronger one. Unless that has changed, consoles are AMD GCN powered. My comparison stands. The day a PS4 outperforms a 670 is the day I won't be surprised.
No you are missing the point, I was not comparing the Xbox One to a 770 but a 770 to a "weaker" GCN cards.
Remember this is what I was trying to demonstrate :
I won't promise it will be supported by Nvidia and ISV anno 2019.
My point stands though, those people with better hardware than consoles had to upgrade. What happens when a 670 is no longer supported ? It might not run games as well as a PS4 in this case.
Optimization due to APIs are not (and that's clearly written in my post) the only reason one could have to upgrade to keep pace.
Hopefully I'll save you some time here.
I literally do not care how PC Radeons compare with PC Nvidia cards. I also don't care if Nvidia supports my card until 2019. You don't even know for sure Sony will support their console until 2019. None of this serves the discussion of TW3 on console or PC. Save yourself some time.
I am only looking at comparing a GTX 770 to the PS4's hardware and maybe even the Xbox One.
Thanks for the discussion, I've gotten enough information to make up my mind on which version I'm going with.
UnrealEck
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Bringing up how Ryse runs better on GCN than Kepler to demosntrate how it's possible Witcher 3 could have a similar performance boost on the PS4 is kinda reaching.
I understand what you're getting at, that it's not always black and white, but I don't see how the consoles will see a similar situation.
I understand what you're getting at, that it's not always black and white, but I don't see how the consoles will see a similar situation.
Man, this looks so god damn amazing. The world looks gorgeous and incredibly alive, just walking around will be a fantastic experience. There also seems to be a lot of care and character in the dialog, which should help make even the most basic quest much more interesting. May 19 can't come soon enough!
My argument has always been that architectures are not flat if that makes sense, they have pros and cons. I was trying to illustrate that with Ryse and Hitman.
This very much applies to PS4-PC comparisons, the PS4 GPU while weaker than a 670 may outperform it when it comes to compute which we know will have a very important part in games.
I believe I have been coherent from the very beginning.
So when someone was torn between a PS4 and a 670 equipped PC I advised him/her to go PS4. I never said your 770 would not fare better, but my estimation is that it may not make anywhere near as big of a difference as you believe.
No, I see the point you are trying to make. It just doesn't address my conundrum.
I mean sure, at the end of the day if my 770 ends up not being supported and I need to drop some bills on a new card in 2019 that's fine. TW3 comes out in a few days
I get that lack of driver/api support on the PC side can kill off superior cards before their time, that's an inherent risk with PC gaming. I also understand that games designed on GCN architecture (consoles) will benefit PC gamers using GCN cards (your ryse and hitman examples -- again my disbelief came from me thinking you were referencing a GTX 280 not a Radeon 280) and that Nvidia has to tackle this with more horsepower.
No, I see the point you are trying to make. It just doesn't address my conundrum.
I mean sure, at the end of the day if my 770 ends up not being supported and I need to drop some bills on a new card in 2019 that's fine. TW3 comes out in a few days
I get that lack of driver/api support on the PC side can kill off superior cards before they're time, that's an inherent risk with PC gaming.
It only happens when the card/architecture in question is no longer a significant part of the PC gaming landscape. PC gaming moves on and so must developpers.
Will tears be shed when a 2013 GPU won't be supported by 2019 games ? I don't think so, as a developper it's wiser to focus ressources where it actually matters.
It's a foregone conclusion you should get better results (and even then I won't be shocked if compute genuinely favors the PS4) with a 770 but how better ? I gave my estimation but that's nothing more than that.
I thought it was obvious I was comparing contemporary cards.
Slayer-33
Liverpool-2
They should have used that dialogue instead, would have been hysterical.
I have no idea why my mind went to a GTX 280. I think it's just because I've not bought a radeon in so long it didn't make the connection.
But again, really, thanks for the insight and the discussion. You actually have me considering going radeon when I upgrade next
My biggest fear this generation is that my i7 (I use it for video stuff too, so not wasted) will go unused since the consoles' CPUs are so slow.
(I think we derailed this enough :\)
Edit:
Back on topic -- I just wanted to mention that this game gives me chills. I was totally not excited to play it until this trailer today.
Maybe , not easy at 60 fps anyway.
I have no idea why my mind went to a GTX 280. I think it's just because I've not bought a radeon in so long it didn't make the connection.
But again, really, thanks for the insight and the discussion. You actually have me considering going radeon when I upgrade next
My biggest fear this generation is that my i7 (I use it for video stuff too, so not wasted) will go unused since the consoles' CPUs are so slow.
It's hard to say to which extent will DX12 impact the expected lifetime of our CPUs. With DX12 at least you have much less chances to be limited by your CPU.
On multiplatform DX12 games it might not be that useful since your GPU will be the limiting factor, perhaps if you want to push the LOD much farther than consoles and keep the framerate at 60fps.
Man, could it be? Could I actually like this one? I loved W1 and hated W2, so I have no idea on which side this will fall. But it seems to be more monster focused with the political world as a backdrop.
I have a feeling they borrowed the Ubisoft "towers" with their small towns that you free, which is amusing.
I have a feeling they borrowed the Ubisoft "towers" with their small towns that you free, which is amusing.
-COOLIO-
The Everyman
absolutely.
firebranded
Member
Can't wait to play this, PS4 for now and then PC down the road when I get a desktop.
how do you know it is a different time of day?
As someone who loves both games I always find it hard to comprehend how someone could love W1 but hate W2. Although I guess it's entirely possible, I for one loved Mass Effect but felt completely underwhelmed by ME2, but I dunno if I'd go as far as hate. Even with a more political focus W2 still had fantastic characters and a really interesting plot, I guess if you really disliked the politics that much, but plenty of that happens in the books.. Oh whatever, each to their own I guess.
Also I don't think village liberation will be a "Tower" like mechanic. It's entirely possible, but I don't think CDPR would be that stupid. I think it's merely a coincidence based thing and another way to layer the living world. They also spoke in interviews about how clearing monsters on certain roads would increase merchant travel in the area and change the economy, and yet I doubt that is connected to any kind of Map Icon Reveal.
So my bets on it simply being another way of expanding on the living world, but we'll have to wait and see.
Go PC
As a paradox, I love the books too. It's just that the story in W2 was boring to me and the combat was lame. Anyway.
About the tower thing, yeah, I wouldn't expect CDPR to do that. But:
- monsters dead
- cinematic of villagers coming in
- a hub with a shop opens.
I may be just making weird connections, but I found it amusing.
CarbonFire
Member
Awful. You might as well sell that piece of trash.
You're fine, it'll run probably at least as well or better than the PS4. Plus you have the option of tweaking the graphics for either better visuals or a better framerate.
Well I'm not going to completely shoot down the possibility, because you do make a good point to the possibility of it.
However I just really, really hope CDPR is smarter than implementing such an obvious shitty AAA pitfall like that. It's bad enough they opted for a Batman Vision mechanic, but at least in that case it makes some level of sense for Geralt (I still don't like it though), but a map icon reveal type mechanic via village liberation would be straight up stupidity.
thegirlleastlikelyto
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This is the socially acceptable way to say the default human is a white male.
Go PC
Thanks for the replies. Haven't bought the laptop yet (Alienware 15), but if I do, I'll go PC.
BigTnaples
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What? That literally has nothing to do with what I was talking about. Unless you quoted the wrong person?
Sutton Dagger
Member
There is no way the PS4 is performing better than a 670, I think you're underestimating how much more powerful it is. There has not been a single game in which the 7850-70 has outperformed a 670, for all the 'console optimisation ' talk it's never overcome this disparity in raw power.
Super Stardust
Member
This game...
I need it
firebranded
Member
Yeah, I would hope it would be more subtle such as regular folks come first. Then farmers, merchants or whatever after a few in-game days. Not just "Monsters are dead", then it's a thriving, bustling city after the civilian cinematic lol.
I know it might be unrealistic given deadlines, scope and all though.
It actually reminded me of that first really meaty GTA V trailer where it showed all the activities you can do. Right down to the robotic female narrator.
GwyndolinCinder
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Would i5 4590 + gtx 760 > ps4? Would want 1080p 30frames on high