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Boruto: Naruto the Movie Teaser Trailer

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Arkeband said:
I'm glad the users that quoted me had nothing to actually refute it with.

Naruto actually does have great world building, over the course of both series it fleshes out an entire continent and the story goes back generations upon generations and spans dozens of families and villages with unique customs and backstories.

And as far as power creep, the ending of the series may have reached that point but it went back down once the fight was over and it's taken over 600 anime episodes to get there. Frieza destroyed a planet in episode 97 of DBZ and then Goku was permanently stuck at even-stronger-than-that.
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Even if there is legit refuting, it would be a discussion that goes nowhere.

You enjoyed Naruto's world building. Others view it as incredibly simplistic and to the detriment of the series puts Konoha and all of its citizens as the center of the world.

You're OK with Naruto's typical shonen power "evolution" (big explosions and endless transformations everywhere), for others it wound up killing their enjoyment of the series.

Two sides giving their subjective opinions on why they like/dislike the series.
 
Arkeband said:
I'm glad the users that quoted me had nothing to actually refute it with.

Naruto actually does have great world building, over the course of both series it fleshes out an entire continent and the story goes back generations upon generations and spans dozens of families and villages with unique customs and backstories.

And as far as power creep, the ending of the series may have reached that point but it went back down once the fight was over and it's taken over 600 anime episodes to get there. Frieza destroyed a planet in episode 97 of DBZ and then Goku was permanently stuck at even-stronger-than-that.
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I actually agree with you. Didn't realize the response to the series here was so tepid until the thread got further along.

It wasn't without fault, but was certainly still quite good.
 
I can't lie. I LOVE the idea of a reformed Sauske being a the teacher of Naruto's kid. That's profoundly cool to me. There's so much history there that young Boruto doesn't have a clue about.

Also, all of Sauske's mistakes make him a powerful teacher as well. There's a lot of value in learning what's wrong about being wrong.
 
Regarding power scaling: Certain characters became powerful enough to obliterate entire nations, without much effort.

If you consider that characters near the beginning of Dragon Ball were capable of blowing up the moon, Naruto's power scaling doesn't really look any better when you consider how they started off.

rrc1594 said:
It seems Kishi was really conflicted if he wanted him to go full dark side
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It was just before that point, when Sasuke awakened the Mangekyō Sharingan, that Kishimoto's long time editor had left and was switched with another. Talks about where to take Sasuke's character were going on at this time too.
 
Sai said:
Regarding power scaling: Certain characters became powerful enough to obliterate entire nations, without much effort.




It was just before that point, when Sasuke awakened the Mangekyō Sharingan, that Kishimoto's long time editor had left and was switched with another. Talks about where to take Sasuke's character were going on at this time too.
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Yep makes sense. I was going to say it definitely involved a Jump editor. Kishi still needed that guidance. Hopefully he isn't pressured into continuing Boruto past the mini....
 
Hey, crazy thought, do you think that Kishi will figure out a way to incorporate Boruto's mixed Hyuuga lineage by making his Byakugan manifest itself during... a transformation???

Oh wait I'm sorry he needs to have the eyes 100% of the time like full blooded Hyuuga, please continue pretending it's irredeemable.
 
Oh man can't they just end the series with some form of dignity?

Children ever after is an okay ending. Stop milking the franchise, especially since it JUST ended.
 
Moskito said:
What's meant by 'special eyes'? Byakugan, another dojutsu, or just cosmetic design?
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Byakugan, like their mother's.

And somebody already mentioned it, but Boruto and Himawari could possibly "awaken" it like the Uchiha do with their Sharingan. I mean, yeah, Kishimoto screwed up, but it can still be easily explained away in this manner because of them being half-Hyūga.
 
I can already see bolt awaking his eyes in the movie. It would lead to a pretty cool moment when they wake up and of course have salad wake up her sharigan at the same time and boom. Instant classic.
 
injurai said:
I feel like a teen girl.

Because I literally can't fucking even...
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Dude... Once I saw that post my jaw actually dropped. I was so dissapointed when I saw that his son didn't get the eyes. Which is the main perk of your mom being hinata. I was so pissed that he didn't inherit that and this is the reason why. Should have just retconned it. Or like suggested, have him awaken it at least.
 
I cannot stand Naruto's son's name, then again Naruto WOULD name his same that.

Do not understand why he wasnt named Jiraiya.
 
televator said:
This manga... lol

I'm still salty about Madara, I can't get behind any character, and the writing is shit. Why the hell do I come back to it?
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How did that even happen? None of the people who look at the manga before its released said anything? No one asked about bolt not inheriting the eyes? Surely someone must have of had the chance to to catch this.
 
Arkeband said:
I'm glad the users that quoted me had nothing to actually refute it with.

Naruto actually does have great world building, over the course of both series it fleshes out an entire continent and the story goes back generations upon generations and spans dozens of families and villages with unique customs and backstories.
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here a post explain more of why Naruto world building is poor in better words then I could express, done by Veelk:
Worldbuilding is not how much info you can dump at the reader. It's as much about when, how, and why you give the reader that information.

Now, there are a couple obvious faults to get started. One, it goes against it's own themes of hardwork. Naruto has not only been made the child chosen by destiny, but it turns out his bloodline has always, constantly been shaping the history of Konoha. Naruto was originally supposed to be about this out of no where kid that no one could have seen coming specifically because he's a no body. Him turning out to have been Minato's son is already somewhat contradictory to that, but to go so much further an make him vital to every important aspect of Konoha since the beginning of time is absurd. And it's absurd because for the longest time, nothing of the sort was hinted for this. The reason this entire history was made up because Kishimoto wanted to strengthen another theme: Rivalry. Naruto and Sasuke's struggle couldn't merely be two guys that have a really complicated relationship, it had to be the ultimate battle of ultimate destiny that stretched through the blood for generations, which is ridiculous. These guys wouldn't know each other if they hadn't been placed on the same team by coincidence. And besides, actual history is messy. It's far more believable when it is the culmination of several hundred figures, both large and small, remembered and not. To make everything in Konoha history center around 2 clans is just not believable. It simplifies the conflict to a simple "good vs bad" fight Uchiha's and Senju are characterized by these 2 simplistic philosophies of "Power of FRIENDS!" vs "Power of HATE!" And it renders the rest of the characters null and void. Just look at how the Hyuga's barely get a passing mention when they ought to be on part with the Uchiha's as the top clan of the village. Instead, they just get a footnote because there's no way some random other dude, even the 3rd most powerful kind of character in the village, is going to affect anything between the two rival clans.

With all that in mind, does Naruto's worldbuilding feel natural or believable, just because there is a lot of it that was dumped on the reader past the point where anything should have mattered? I haven't read the final chapters myself, but my understanding is that Madara was already viewed as a bad guy, and Senju as a good dude. I know Kaguya is some wierd shit that happened later, but I don't understand why this whole senju vs uchiha thing even needed to be revealed in the first place. Wasn't it enough that Madara wanted to mess anything up because he was fucking insane, which is what his motivation amounted to anyway in the end?


It'd be cool to, like you have said, discover other countries, but simply having information dumped for the other countries wouldn't have necessarily made it good storytelling. But Kishimoto forgot about what that word meant a long time ago.
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To me if you want a manga with good world building (heck overall better) look at One Piece, Toriko or Hunter x Hunter.

Especially Hunter x Hunter, Kishi took alot from HxH in early Naruto.
 
Ray Down said:
here a post explain more of why Naruto world building is poor in better words then I could express, done by Veelk:


To me if you want a manga with good world building (heck overall better) look at One Piece, Toriko or Hunter x Hunter.

Especially Hunter x Hunter, Kishi took alot from HxH in early Naruto.
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That post had almost nothing to do with world building and was more of a sloppy rant on the overarching plot.

Is there someone else you could quote that might be more relevant?
 
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