Support NeoGAF

[MikeDown]

TOR salt or KotOR?

TOR

 

[Master Yoshi]

I hope I can play as a wampa.

Screw that, I hope I can mount a Taun Taun, or a Dewback!


This game needs wildlife scattered about.

 

[Abinash117]

Same can be said about Halo but then there was Halo 5

ADS in Halo 5 as explained by Frankie during that Halo 5 beta reveal, is something that always been there he said. Like the AR in Halo 5 pops up an holographic image that represents a sight of some sort that aids the user.

It is the same with the pistol . The weapons with a scope get the generic ADS animation( I think it should be like the classic way), but I think the principle is the same( there are some holographic images that wouldn't be there if you are un-scoped). Like the HUD is linked to any weapon you have .

I think Star wars should just copy how halo 5 does it. Holographic sights or whatever when you use it and it shouldn't slow you down.

 

[Rogue_Ledr]

Still not crazy about FPS/TPS toggle.

They should just go FPS!

Better consistency.

 

[Sn4ke_911]

Hang on a minute! I forgot to ask the most important Q:

Is this an FPS or a TPS?

Both.

 

[SDCowboy]

Still not crazy about FPS/TPS toggle.

They should just go FPS!

Better consistency.

Both apparently.

 

[Bishop89]

Wut.... Try shooting a gun without aiming. Yes when you fire a gun, when you aim the sight takes up most of your field of vision.

get your real life out of my video games.

My realistic something is = less fun
(in videogames)

 

[zma1013]

The only problem I have with it is that some seem to think that ADS is a universal improvement that must be in any shooter going forward and that's just being narrow minded and will just lead us down this path where every shooter starts feeling the same. It's suited for some games but not all. Certainly there's a place for both ADS and non-ADS shooters. Besides, we all know Stormtroopers don't aim anyways.

 

[b0bbyJ03]

IDK if it was mentioned, but Battlefront is going to be the first PC game ever to use Dolby Atmos.... that's exciting as an audio junkie.

 

[REDSLATE]

Besides, we all know Stormtroopers don't aim anyways.

It's not that they don't aim, they just can't see through their shitty, standard-issue armor.

 

[Sn4ke_911]

IDK if it was mentioned, but Battlefront is going to be the first PC game ever to use Dolby Atmos.... that's exciting as an audio junkie.

Never heard of Dolby Atmos but it sure sounds exciting.

 

[Slime]

Where are these examples? TOR has always been visually unappealing but that was always to aesthetically please the generic Star Wars fan. TOR looks nothing like KotOR at all either.

Well, the only canon Old Republic things we've seen are Ahsoka's ancient armor and lightsabers which she raided from an ancient Jedi temple (as per Rebels Recon), the Darksaber, and Darth Bane's armor. All have a clearly feudal Japan look and are literally the only Old Republic things we've ever seen.

As for Bane, well, we see him armored. That doesn't tell us anything about the character's actual story. Hell, if you actual go off of his dialogue he acknowledges and canonized the Sith Civil War that the Jedi versus Sith comic and the Bane books deal with. Truthfully, sure, they there are gaps but they are filling them in with pre-existing pieces.

The thing about Bane is that he was never an EU invention to begin with. Lucas created the character and his backstory for Episode I, and the later EU stuff just expanded on it. This is from the Episode I novelization from way back in 1999:

The Sith had come into being almost two thousand years ago. They were a cult given over to the dark side of the Force, embracing fully the concept that power denied was power wasted. A rogue Jedi Knight had founded the Sith, a singular dissident in an order of harmonious followers, a rebel who understood from the beginning that the real power of the Force lay not in the light, but in the dark. Failing to gain approval for his beliefs from the Council, he had broken with the order, departing with his knowledge and his skills, swearing in secret that he could bring down those who had dismissed him.

He was alone at first, but others from the Jedi order who believed as he did and who had followed him in his study of the dark side soon came over. Others were recruited, and soon the ranks of the Sith swelled to ~ than fifty in number. Disdaining the concepts of cooperation and consensus, relying on the belief that acquisition of power in any form lends strength and yields control, the Sith began to build their cult in opposition to the Jedi. Theirs was not an order created to serve; theirs was an order created to dominate.

Their war with the Jedi was vengeful and furious and ultimately doomed. The rogue Jedi who had founded the Sith order was its nominal leader, but his ambition excluded any sharing of power. His disciples began to conspire against him and each other almost from the beginning, so that the war they instigated was as much with each other as with the Jedi.

In the end, the Sith destroyed themselves. They destroyed their leader first, then each other. What few survived the initial bloodbath were quickly dispatched by watchful Jedi. In a matter of only weeks, all of them died.

All but one.

... It was patience that had saved the Sith order in the end. It was patience that would give them their victory now over the Jedi.

The Sith who had survived when all of his fellows had died had understood that. He had adopted patience as a virtue when the others had forsaken it. He had adopted cunning, stealth, and subterfuge as the foundation of his way-old Jedi virtues the others had disdained. He stood aside while the Sith tore at each other like kriks and were destroyed. When the carnage was complete, he went into hiding, biding his time, waiting for his chance.

When it was believed all of the Sith were destroyed, he emerged from his concealment. At first he worked alone, but he was growing old and he was the last of his kind. Eventually, he went out in search of an apprentice. Finding one, he trained him to be a Master in his turn, then to find his own apprentice, and so to carry on their work. But there would only be two at anyone time. There would be no repetition of the mistakes of the old order, no struggle between Siths warring for power within the cult. Their common enemy was the Jedi, not each other. It was for their war with the Jedi they must save themselves. The Sith who reinvented the order called himself Darth Bane. A thousand years had passed since the Sith were believed destroyed, and the time they had waited for had come at last.

So that's hardly a case of them bringing something EU into canon.

And the funny thing about Darth Bane is that they actually originally did intend to bring the EU incarnation into canon:

But Lucas vetoed that and they instead went with an original, much more samurai-inspired look:

And to be fair, the Sith always originated on Korriban to begin with.

True, but changing the name marks a pretty clear delineation. Like a lot of stuff in the new canon it's similar, but different.

Also, whats the point of the quotes being referenced. It pretty much implies that we are headed there regardless.

Well, they've said from the beginning that stuff from the old canon can and will be brought into canon, but that the stories themselves are not canon unless explicitly stated to be. So they might go there, but the point is that it won't be the same.

 

[SDCowboy]

So do we know if this is going to have any kind of classes, unlockables, ranks, etc?

 

[tokilamockingbrd]

Yep. Halo was the last console FPS that still hadn't incorporated that ADS filth, and now... Ugh (it's not completely cosmetic either BTW)


Good thing these are videogames and not the real world, huh?

Fuck ADS.

um... no there are not.

The reason COD4 took the FPS crown from Halo is because people liked the realism. ADS was a part of that so was theme. Halo obviously could not change the theme but they went with ADS.

I am in the military and when I play games without ADS it just feels arcadish.

 

[Abdullahi]

This is going to be amazing. 3rd person view will probably be my preferred perspective.

 

[b0bbyJ03]

Never heard of Dolby Atmos but it sure sounds exciting.

lol, its the latest and greatest from Dolby... it features extra audio channels, including overhead channels (imagine hearing X-Wings and Tie fighters above your head).

 

[zma1013]

It's not that they don't aim, they just can't see through their shitty, standard-issue armor.

They always hipfire though

 

[Slowdive]

So do we know if this is going to have any kind of classes, unlockables, ranks, etc?

DICE said on Twitter there'll be plenty of unlockables and freedom in customizing/creating your own playstyle.

 

[Steel]

So do we know if this is going to have any kind of classes, unlockables, ranks, etc?

There was something mentioned in one of the articles about loadouts and customization. My guess is it's the boring stereo-typical level up system that all shooters have nowadays...

 

[Woorloog]

I get if you don't like it as a mechanic, but it's not a "BS feature". That's how shooting guns works. Even though this is Star Wars, this is still essentially a military shooter. Not an arena shooter.

It is BS because i don't like it. IMO. Don't care what others think. You like it, fine, whatever.
And fuck how shooting guns works, it isn't like most ADS shooters are even half-way realistic about it.


EDIT Wait, what, no controllable AT-ATs?
...
Where's the fun in that...

 

[SDCowboy]

DICE said on Twitter there'll be plenty of unlockables and freedom in customizing/creating your own playstyle.

There was something mentioned in one of the articles about loadouts and customization. My guess is it's the boring stereo-typical level up system that all shooters have nowadays...

Sounds good to me.

 

[a916]

get your real life out of my video games.

My realistic something is = less fun
(in videogames)

Eh, maybe for you but COD and BF are among the most popular console shooters and they both feature ADS and the market clearly likes it because that's what games have trended towards.

 

[DOWN]

I feel like ADS isn't even worth mentioning in reviews it is so minor.

 

[Steel]

Eh, maybe for you but COD and BF are among the most popular console shooters and they both feature ADS and the market clearly likes it because that's what games have trended towards.

And then you have Halo which is popular and doesn't have ADS. All shooters trying to be like BF and COD have insured that only BF and COD are popular.

 

[Anton Sugar]

I know GAF thinks he's the worst, but LevelCap said the PS4 demo footage looks phenomenal and close to the cinematic trailer. Says he hopes they actually show the demo footage to public so people will stop worrying/doubting.

 

[Sou Da]

Well, the only canon Old Republic things we've seen are Ahsoka's ancient armor and lightsabers which she raided from an ancient Jedi temple (as per Rebels Recon), the Darksaber, and Darth Bane's armor. All have a clearly feudal Japan look and are literally the only Old Republic things we've ever seen.





The thing about Bane is that he was never an EU invention to begin with. Lucas created the character and his backstory for Episode I, and the later EU stuff just expanded on it. This is from the Episode I novelization from way back in 1999:



So that's hardly a case of them bringing something EU into canon.

And the funny thing about Darth Bane is that they actually originally did intend to bring the EU incarnation into canon:



But Lucas vetoed that and they instead went with an original, much more samurai-inspired look:





True, but changing the name marks a pretty clear delineation. Like a lot of stuff in the new canon it's similar, but different.



Well, they've said from the beginning that stuff from the old canon can and will be brought into canon, but that the stories themselves are not canon unless explicitly stated to be. So they might go there, but the point is that it won't be the same.

Not gonna post the Revan concept art they were doing? Also isn't Korriban's name canonically changed over the years?

 

[b0bbyJ03]

WTF? Is ADS the new "thing" that the internet now hates? I can't keep up.

 

[Woorloog]

Not gonna post the Revan concept art they were doing? Also isn't Korriban's name canonically changed over the years?

In new canon it is just Moraband, i think. Not sure.
In the old canon, Moraband was the late Republic-era name for it.

 

[HariKari]

WTF? Is ADS the new "thing" that the internet now hates? I can't keep up.

No, it's something a generation has grown up assuming must be a part of every shooter, having never known the alternative.

 

[dhonk]

The whole ADS defense of 'realistic' is hilarious to me. Let's not pretend like the way something like battlefield portrays weapons is in the same galaxy as real life. Go play Receiver if you want a game actually attempting to emulate real gun mechanics.

ADS has persisted because it's an easy way to present a precision aiming mode for console controllers.

 

[Bishop89]

Eh, maybe for you but COD and BF are among the most popular console shooters and they both feature ADS and the market clearly likes it because that's what games have trended towards.

cod/bf fan since the original, and ADS isnt what makes me love the games, AT ALL.

I highly doubt they are market leaders just because they have ads...

 

[RSB]

um... no there are not.

The reason COD4 took the FPS crown from Halo is because people liked the realism. ADS was a part of that so was theme. Halo obviously could not change the theme but they went with ADS.

I am in the military and when I play games without ADS it just feels arcadish.

Actually, I don't mind ADS in "realistic" shooters (I usually don't play them) But yeah, I do prefer FPS to not have ADS at all. The only military themed shooter I like is precisely Counter-Strike, and the lack of ADS is definetly one of the reasons I like it.

 

[HariKari]

https://youtu.be/ege4tPDSNoQ
JackFrags says ADS is in at 1:00

That's for scoped weapons, which makes sense.

 

[Abinash117]

The whole ADS defense of 'realistic' is hilarious to me. Let's not pretend like the way something like battlefield portrays weapons is in the same galaxy as real life. Go play Receiver if you want a game actually attempting to emulate real gun mechanics.

ADS has persisted because it's an easy way to present a precision aiming mode for console controllers.

Is it realistic to ADS when you have a full helmets mask like these ?

I heard its pretty difficult. If so , it wouldn't be realistic to have ADS, but zoom or something else.

 

[Slime]

Not gonna post the Revan concept art they were doing? Also isn't Korriban's name canonically changed over the years?

Wasn't going to post Revan because they never brought any version of him into actual canon, but yeah they were going to use him before Lucas vetoed his appearance also:

And Korriban did have different names in the EU, but Moraband is its only name in canon.

 

[Kssio_Aug]

I'm not a fan of ADS, but I don't think they're necessarily bad. I mean, it completely makes sense on Call of Dutty and Battlefield, besides I don't like these games too much. On Halo 5 I don't think ADS was necessary, but its addition also did not make anything worse, the hip-fire is perfectly fine, and the ADS is sometimes dangerous to use... so no way a recquirement such as CoD or BF.

In Battlefront I'm happy with the no ADS news simply because I was fearing it to be a Battlefield with Star Wars skin, but since ADS is pratically a core feature of BF gameplay I now am pretty sure Battlefront will be a different kind of game, probably more like the old Battlefronts, that besides I have not played them, they seems a lot of fun.

 

[Venom Fox]

ADS for scoped weapons makes obvious sense but why not all of the weapons?
Shooters aren't like they used to be anymore where you could go around blasting anything and everything by hip firing.

It makes sense to let us ADS for FP view and not with TP view.
They don't have to introduce a hip firing penalty in TP view so it'd be a win win situation.

 

[OdysseusVA]

This is probably the best video I've seen on the description of the gameplay demo shown to attendees.

Jean shorts and a shirt that doesn't fit.

Good video, but you're still a shill.

 

[REDSLATE]

They always hipfire though

Not always, they do aim (or try to at least). They're not as incompetent as everyone makes them out to be. They went to an academy after all. The Empire simply takes a Stalinist approach.

Just think of all those poor TIE pilots...

 

[Qvoth]

would've liked the trailer more if it ended after vader breathing and his lightsaber
graphically very impressive though
never played the other star wars battlefront games but i'd definitely try this one, i like multiplayer shooters with plenty of players

 

[zeemumu]

Time to fight over who gets to be Vader.

 

[Kssio_Aug]

This E3 will be hot! So many stuff to be shown.

 

[LastNac]

TOR

Well, as you were.

 

[Ramirez]

Time to fight over who gets to be Vader.

It has to be random, only "fair" way I suppose.

 

[Wolvesinthebathroom]

So does battlefront have ADS? I see all these post on here about other games having it or not having it and I'm kind of lost.

 

[Woorloog]

It has to be random, only "fair" way I suppose.

Didn't BF2 (never played the first Battlefront) have some kind of "Whoever gets a good killstreak" or some such system for getting to play a hero?

So does battlefront have ADS? I see all these post on here about other games having it or not having it and I'm kind of lost.

Join the club.

 

[PensivePen]

I'm really happy to see third person camera is an option. I'm not even sure I'd be that interested in the game otherwise.

 

[kyser73]

Well, the only canon Old Republic things we've seen are Ahsoka's ancient armor and lightsabers which she raided from an ancient Jedi temple (as per Rebels Recon), the Darksaber, and Darth Bane's armor. All have a clearly feudal Japan look and are literally the only Old Republic things we've ever seen.





The thing about Bane is that he was never an EU invention to begin with. Lucas created the character and his backstory for Episode I, and the later EU stuff just expanded on it. This is from the Episode I novelization from way back in 1999:



So that's hardly a case of them bringing something EU into canon.

And the funny thing about Darth Bane is that they actually originally did intend to bring the EU incarnation into canon:



But Lucas vetoed that and they instead went with an original, much more samurai-inspired look:





True, but changing the name marks a pretty clear delineation. Like a lot of stuff in the new canon it's similar, but different.



Well, they've said from the beginning that stuff from the old canon can and will be brought into canon, but that the stories themselves are not canon unless explicitly stated to be. So they might go there, but the point is that it won't be the same.

So does this mean that Rule of Two is still canon? Presumably this also rules out the Sith being an actual species too?

 

[DigitalHitmann]

If theres a grip to cover based system, third person gonna be so OP.

Spoiler

(And ill love every minute of it.)

 

[FUNKNOWN iXi]

I read somewhere about getting enough points to be Vader or other powerful units. Was that inaccurate or could there be some type of queue?

It has to be random, only "fair" way I suppose.

Imagine this mentality for Halo?

Oh wait..

Spoiler

BR, Infinity settings, jem's opinions, etc.