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Dude, Bolt is half Uzimaki and part Hyuga. And he probably has a bit of Nine Tail Fox chakra He and his sister are both getting Rinnegan. You can bank on it.
Needs Asura and Indra's chakra specifically to manifest.

I seriously doubt Kishimoto knows about that.
Naruto fans have wasted years on theorizing and looking for meaning where there was none.

This is a pretty minor thing though. And as mentioned, there are a ton of Hindu/Sanskrit references in Naruto already.
 
There is hindu mythos all over the place in Naruto.
There is a hell of a difference between using major terms like "chakra", "Indra" or "Ashura", and making a reference to something as minor as the meaning of an alternate name (among many) of Saraswati.
I can't even get a hit on that using Google Japan (you shouldn't assume Japanese transcriptions of Hindu names are that straightforward, by the way), so to think the barely literate Kishimoto actually had that in mind...
 
Naruto's power ups were for the most part natural progression of an established set of abilities. Sasuke's on the other hand were comprised of a lot of ass pulls with the Sharingan being the biggest offender. Of course they both worked hard.

Just FYI, Volume 1, Chapter 1, Page 35 is where Naruto learns he is the special Chosen One Nine-Tailed Jinchuuriki.

If you somehow kept hoping he was getting by just on his own merits for the next 699 volumes, I dunno what to tell you. Naruto embodies perseverance but one of his character flaws is that while he tells everyone he's going to be super great, he also screws off until last minute. When he's throwing kunai and running up trees earlier in the series it's because he was too busy farting around the village annoying people and getting into mischief while everyone else was doing schoolwork and training.

Regardless I'm of the opinion that comparatively to other manga the worldbuilding in Naruto is above average and even commendable. Refuting that with an opinion on how that worldbuilding is bad because you didn't feel it served the plot doesn't necessarily mean the worldbuilding is poor. The two are in fact mutually exclusive even though they both are important in storytelling.
Just FYI, NOTHING about that was saying he was the chosen one. There was literally no indication of this being the case. It was quite the opposite and back then it was still debatable whether Naruto was supposed to be a human sealed evil in a can or if he was the human form of the fox. In most of the first arc Naruto was cursed with awesome. Him being the vessel of the Fox was just an unfortunate coincidence, not destiny.

Another thing people seem to be mistaking is that Naruto was always goofing off. Throughout the series though it kept being reiterated that while Naruto put on a show of a lazy punk ass slacker, he was in fact working his ass off when nobody was looking. His enormous chakra reserves were due to him being of the Uzumaki clan. The Kyubbi actually was a burden because of how it fucked with his ability to control chakra.

Then the Shippuden arc happened and things slowly became convoluted. The world building started to fall apart because as it revealed more about the world, things made less and less sense whether it be the giant turning points or just the characters actions themselves.

It's fine if you liked Naruto's world but his points regarding the plot and world building were valid criticisms. The world building did not support the plot as they both conflicted with each other throughout the series which led to retcons and plot holes. Plot and world building do in fact need to work together to form a good story.
 
Speaking of that, Naruto looks pretty good without whiskers
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Then the Shippuden arc happened and things slowly became convoluted. The world building started to fall apart because as it revealed more about the world, things made less and less sense whether it be the giant turning points or just the characters actions themselves.

It's fine if you liked Naruto's world but his points regarding the plot and world building were valid criticisms. The world building did not support the plot as they both conflicted with each other throughout the series which led to retcons and plot holes. Plot and world building do in fact need to work together to form a good story.

I kinda feel like this.

My main issue with the 'world building' is that things either seem important early on but quickly become irrelevant or something is thrown into the series late and is suddenly extremely important...makes it seem like Kishimoto was just pulling stuff out of his ass.

To me, when it comes to world building I look for:

-the appearance and workings of the environment and why it is the way it is

-the politics of the world. How it came to form, how it currently works.

-the history of the world and how it affects the present

-the countries/cities and its citizens and culture

there's a little more but that's the jist of it.

Now although I read up to the last chapter of Naruto I lost a lot of interest in the series years ago and stopped caring about the intricate details because the more I looked into it the less sense it made, so there may be things I missed due to my disinterest but anyway:



Naruto looked to have solid world building in the beginning. We see the structure of the village. We know there are 5 main ones and multiple smaller ones and each main one has a leader (kage). We know that all the villages are in countries that are ruled by Daimyo's?

Ninjas are mercenaries. You're not officially a ninja until you pass school and the best chance to go from genin and chuunin is to "pass" the exam (which I don't have a problem with even though I agree with Erigu that the whole premise is pretty stupid) or get promoted due to war times (which doesn't seem to count for Naruto?). We get the whole Wave country arc, chuunin exam with ninjas from other villages, more info on Konoha's history, yadayadayda.

But after that it's like Kishimoto decided to say fuck that and focus mainly on Naruto/Sasuke/Uchiha/Akatsuki. We get glimpses of places like Suna and Akatsuki capturing jincuuriki, but those may as well be "blink and you miss it". Sharingan gets super important (while Byakugan is thrown to the side even though they were essentially on the same level earlier in the series). We learn about Rinnegan (which turns out to be an evolved version of Sharingan) and the Sage of Six Paths (created ninjutsu I think? Defeated the 10 tails who was his mother that ate a fruit? Also had a brother who had the byakugan and disappeared because stuff?).

Eventually all the major villages joined up to go to war against the remnants of Akatsuki (that Tobi orchestrated even though prior to his and Sasuke's arrival the leaders were highly contentious with each other, so naturally you tell them that your plans are world domination and show nearly all of your trump cards, even tell them that Killer Bee escaped your grasp?). The Kages also meet up in the land ruled by samurai and they have a leader who is apparently on the same level as the kage, even though there was barely any indication of any of this existing prior to their arrival.

and blabla the end.

other issues I had:

-Orochimaru being the leader of the sound village. Where did he get the people to form a village? How do you even form a village to begin with? Is it simply gathering a bunch of people and establishing yourself in a vacant piece of land? Do you have to go meet the Daimyo of that land to get the funds to create the village? What happened to the villagers of the Sound after Orochimaru was defeated by Sasuke? Speaking of the Daimyo:

-What was the point of even creating them? As we learn the history of Naruto and how the ones with ninjutsu shaped the world, it doesn't make any sense that these clueless pansies wind up controlling the land and money. I think they even funded the ninja alliance? Didn't Suna have money problems? Why couldn't they force the Daimyo to give them more money? Do they have some insanely strong unaffiliated bodyguards or is there some law or something that stops the ninja villages from taking over? I feel like that whole situation was something Kishimoto was planning on exploring with Nagato's initial plan he told to Akatsuki about capturing all the beasts and essentially controlling all the finances...until that transformed into Naruto's version of Instrumentality.

-Nagato and the Rain village. The village being run by the leader (or 2nd in command with Tobi/Madara or something) was an interesting dynamic. Even more so with the implication of small villages being at the mercy of the main villages. Then he and Konan are killed and there is absolutely no response from the villagers. We don't even know what happened to them after. Hell, all the small villages and their problems are irrelevant, unless they all joined up with the main villages to fight Tobi in the war?

There's more but this post is getting too damn long and I'm starting to lose track on what the fuck I'm even posting about, lol.

All in all, I felt Naruto's world building was average but disappointing considering the potential and falls woefully short compared to the likes of Magi/One Piece/Fullmetal Alchemist/HunterxHunter



Why does he have whiskers? Hinata is not the kyuubi juunchuriki.

Why? Why not?

I mean, Kishimoto even gave whiskers to Kinkaku/Ginkaku because they ate the nine tails insides (lmfao) and gained some of its powers...although I think they had the whiskers even before they ate it? whatever
 
I mean, Kishimoto even gave whiskers to Kinkaku/Ginkaku because they ate the nine tails insides (lmfao)
"They probably were descendants of that Rikudô Sennin guy I didn't think even existed just last week!"
-A (for Asspull)

although I think they had the whiskers even before they ate it?
I remember they were shown attacking Kurama with those special Rikudô weapons. On the very same page we were told the only reason they could wield those weapons without dying was that they had Kurama's chakra. Hm.
 
I kinda feel like this.
Touched on a lot of good points dude

Other examples for me would be after they revealed how the Nine Tails attack happened and the events surrounding it. Once that happened, none of Naruto's childhood made sense. Like at all. I didn't even mind his father being Minato (as a matter of fact I think some of the series best moments happen with Naruto's parents) but everything just fell apart. The way Naruto was treated, the complete lack of anybody at the least watching out for him (you could sort of make a case for Kakashi and Jiraiya but Sasuke's parents and the Hokage have NO excuse for this); it's just one giant plot hole.

The attempts to make the Uchiha clan sympathetic were didn't really work very well either and actually made them look worse in some instances.
 
Yeah, at the end of the day there was very little redeemable or good about the Uchiha's. Oh, they apparently are Vulcan's in that they are violent emotional wrecks without control.


I mean, you can count on one hand the number of actual "Good" (using the term loosely) Uchiha's in the manga. I think Shisui may have been the only one who was incorruptible (Itachi still chose to be corrupted himself if it meant doing the right thing)
 
Other examples for me would be after they revealed how the Nine Tails attack happened and the events surrounding it. Once that happened, none of Naruto's childhood made sense. Like at all. I didn't even mind his father being Minato (as a matter of fact I think some of the series best moments happen with Naruto's parents) but everything just fell apart. The way Naruto was treated, the complete lack of anybody at the least watching out for him (you could sort of make a case for Kakashi and Jiraiya but Sasuke's parents and the Hokage have NO excuse for this); it's just one giant plot hole.
"Let's not tell people he's the Fourth Hokage's son: it would be too dangerous!"
... Konohamaru?

"So we can't name him "Namikaze" like his father, obviously... Let's go with "Uzumaki", like his mother! Surely, nobody will connect the dots!"
And oddly enough, despite the Uzumaki clan being both fairly well-known in the village (two Hokage married Uzumaki women, and pretty much everybody wears that Uzumaki symbol) and practically extinct, people didn't connect the dots, indeed.

... They did find out about Naruto being the Nine Tails' host though. Sounds like a bigger problem even!
"Ah, well. Sucks for the kid. We're still not telling people he's the Hokage's son!"
 
Yeah, at the end of the day there was very little redeemable or good about the Uchiha's. Oh, they apparently are Vulcan's in that they are violent emotional wrecks without control.


I mean, you can count on one hand the number of actual "Good" (using the term loosely) Uchiha's in the manga. I think Shisui may have been the only one who was incorruptible (Itachi still chose to be corrupted himself if it meant doing the right thing)

I just hate the gloss over the whole wiping out the Uchiha clan by Itachi got... Like he had to kill kids, right? Many that were probably too young to be in on the whole "take over the whole village" plan. So how was that guy redeemable? Sasuke should have stayed pissed at him... dude was like Ninja Hitler. Then Sasuke flips the evil switch and breaks his own self imposed "no killing combatants that I hold no personal contempt for because I'm a badass who can defeat armies without a single death" because... reasons... it was convenient for the plot and Kishi sucks at writing consistent characters.
 
There is a hell of a difference between using major terms like "chakra", "Indra" or "Ashura", and making a reference to something as minor as the meaning of an alternate name (among many) of Saraswati.
I can't even get a hit on that using Google Japan (you shouldn't assume Japanese transcriptions of Hindu names are that straightforward, by the way), so to think the barely literate Kishimoto actually had that in mind...

Eh, if Indra and Ashura were used then its no stretch that Sarawasti was as well.

Yeah, at the end of the day there was very little redeemable or good about the Uchiha's. Oh, they apparently are Vulcan's in that they are violent emotional wrecks without control.


I mean, you can count on one hand the number of actual "Good" (using the term loosely) Uchiha's in the manga. I think Shisui may have been the only one who was incorruptible (Itachi still chose to be corrupted himself if it meant doing the right thing)

I think its because their entire clan was murdered.

I just hate the gloss over the whole wiping out the Uchiha clan by Itachi got... Like he had to kill kids, right? Many that were probably too young to be in on the whole "take over the whole village" plan.

Thats what the Leaf wanted. I don't see why this is being glossed over. The Third really failed and Danzo was just being ruthless.

Then Sasuke flips the evil switch and breaks his own self imposed "no killing combatants that I hold no personally contempt for because I'm a badass who can defeat armies without a single death" because... reasons.

Seems like you didn't understand what was going on.
 
"Let's not tell people he's the Fourth Hokage's son: it would be too dangerous!"
... Konohamaru?

"So we can't name him "Namikaze" like his father, obviously... Let's go with "Uzumaki", like his mother! Surely, nobody will connect the dots!"
And oddly enough, despite the Uzumaki clan being both fairly well-known in the village (two Hokage married Uzumaki women, and pretty much everybody wears that Uzumaki symbol) and practically extinct, people didn't connect the dots, indeed.

... They did find out about Naruto being the Nine Tails' host though. Sounds like a bigger problem even!
"Ah, well. Sucks for the kid. We're still not telling people he's the Hokage's son!"
Third Hokage

"Ya know Naruto's been alone his whole life because of that Nine Tails shit. Maybe I should do something to help him not feel like a complete outcast that nobody wants... NAH I'll just sit here staring at my magic ball and sighing like he's just a brat."

Then there's Sasuke's parents who were FRIENDS with Naruto's parents and were very well aware Naruto was gonna be born. Why in the name of the moon did they not take him in or at least VISIT?

Bolt's hair is really bad imo.

Ah well, at least we get to see Adult Hinata.
Hinata's lookin' fiiiiiiiiine

Yeah, at the end of the day there was very little redeemable or good about the Uchiha's. Oh, they apparently are Vulcan's in that they are violent emotional wrecks without control.

I mean, you can count on one hand the number of actual "Good" (using the term loosely) Uchiha's in the manga. I think Shisui may have been the only one who was incorruptible (Itachi still chose to be corrupted himself if it meant doing the right thing)
It's really unfortunate because there are better ways Kishimoto could've made them look sympathetic but instead he went for the route that actually made them seem worse.

"Oh but they're tragic victims of their own love/hate"

No they're snap crackle pop all in one package waiting to blow the moment someone's ninja goldfish dies
hyperbole I know
.

I just hate the gloss over the whole wiping out the Uchiha clan by Itachi got.
I could've actually been down with there being more to Itachi as some kind of tragic hero/anti-villain. It's just that as you pointed out, Kishimoto had problems with consistency amongst other things.
That's not to say I think he sucks as a writer. He's obviously got talent but for whatever reason Naruto just fell apart in the last half.
 
Its crazy how most peoples criticisms amount to nothing more than the story not happening the way they thought or not the way they want.
 
"They probably were descendants of that Rikudô Sennin guy I didn't think even existed just last week!"
-A (for Asspull)


I remember they were shown attacking Kurama with those special Rikudô weapons. On the very same page we were told the only reason they could wield those weapons without dying was that they had Kurama's chakra. Hm.

LOL

Ah man, I forgot about that.

Touched on a lot of good points dude

Other examples for me would be after they revealed how the Nine Tails attack happened and the events surrounding it. Once that happened, none of Naruto's childhood made sense. Like at all. I didn't even mind his father being Minato (as a matter of fact I think some of the series best moments happen with Naruto's parents) but everything just fell apart. The way Naruto was treated, the complete lack of anybody at the least watching out for him (you could sort of make a case for Kakashi and Jiraiya but Sasuke's parents and the Hokage have NO excuse for this); it's just one giant plot hole.


Yep, that doesn't make much sense especially (like Erigu noted) when you factor in the Uzumaki clan stuff.

I mostly kept my post on the world building aspect earlier, but if I got into the actions of characters and their intent that would be 100 times longer, lol.


Like with Naruto unconscious after his fight with Sasuke. Zetsu was apparently observing the whole fight. Kakashi wasn't anywhere near the location given that by the time he arrived he couldn't really catch up to a weakened Sasuke. Why did Zetsu not capture Naruto right then and there? Either with his own powers or telling Obito "Hey Naruto's out and no one's around. Might wanna get him". Obito could have used Kamui and transport Naruto into his dimension indefinitely so he can't be found (unless there's a limit to how long he can keep something there?).

I mean I know WHY (there would be no story) but there is no in-universe explanation as to why this couldn't have happened. Itachi gives the explanation that Gedou Mazou needs to extract the nine tails last because it has too much power, yet we see later on that only a portion of the nine tails and even eight tails energy is enough to complete the statue and resurrect the ten tails and become its jinchuuriki. This becomes pretty easy without Naruto, since he can't convert Nagato who then uses Rinne Tensei to revive Madara (which I think was the original plan?) who becomes the jinchuuriki and thus Kaguya.

OH, and what was up Obito wanting to set up a fight between Naruto/Sasuke on the premise of showing who's superior between the Uchiha and Senju during the Kage Summit? Of course at that time he was masquerading as Madara during that time (a guise he kept up even with the last remnants of Akatsuki...for some reason. But not when Akatsuki was whole, back then he was just good ol dumb clumsy Tobi, again because reasons...but its kinda weird with Kisame because he apparently didn't know Tobi, but knew about 'Madara' once Obito took the mask off? So was he in on Obito being a fake Madara or did he really think that was Madara...and now I'm suddenly reminded of the whole Akatsuki having its rumored origins in the Hidden Mist and Kisame calling Obito Mizukage because he took control of the Mizukage at that time for some reason. All of which went nowhere substantial) so it made sense but then we find out he's really Obito and doesn't really give a shit about the whole Uchiha/Senju thing and doesn't give a shit about having Naruto fight Sasuke. Even the actual Madara doesn't really give a shit about any of that?

And what was up with the tanks of Sharingan eyes? I MUST have missed when that wound up playing a role in the story...right?
 
Is there a manga that will be published along side this? I remember the last chapter mentioning some side story starting this year.
 
OH, and what was up Obito wanting to set up a fight between Naruto/Sasuke on the premise of showing who's superior between the Uchiha and Senju during the Kage Summit? Of course at that time he was masquerading as Madara during that time (a guise he kept up even with the last remnants of Akatsuki...for some reason. But not when Akatsuki was whole, back then he was just good ol dumb clumsy Tobi, again because reasons...but its kinda weird with Kisame because he apparently didn't know Tobi, but knew about 'Madara' once Obito took the mask off? So was he in on Obito being a fake Madara or did he really think that was Madara...and now I'm suddenly reminded of the whole Akatsuki having its rumored origins in the Hidden Mist and Kisame calling Obito Mizukage because he took control of the Mizukage at that time for some reason. All of which went nowhere substantial) so it made sense but then we find out he's really Obito and doesn't really give a shit about the whole Uchiha/Senju thing and doesn't give a shit about having Naruto fight Sasuke. Even the actual Madara doesn't really give a shit about any of that?

And what was up with the tanks of Sharingan eyes? I MUST have missed when that wound up playing a role in the story...right?
This part really bothered me. It's really transparent that Tobi/Madara's character was originally planned to be something much different. The whole Mizukage thing never went anywhere outside of a short mention when Yagura shows up in the whole zombie arc, and even then it just felt like a bone was being thrown to people who remembered when "Madara" said that to Kisame. This could have been explored in more detail, as there is a big period of Obito's life we don't know anything about, but it was left to the side. Tobi-Madara and Obito feel like entirely different characters. I feel like if Tobi was an entirely new character (with an in-universe history, of course) he would have been a much mor effective villain. Which brings me to my biggest complaint about the series as a whole:

Forced parallels. It was fine when we learn that the Sannin were a lot like Naruto's genin team as kids. Wow, what a nice parallel, huh? But it didn't end there. Naruto isn't anything like his father, who is actually the fourth hokage... so he acts exactly like his mother, right down to the speech tic. Kakashi was just like Sasuke as a kid - arrogant and condescending. His teammates were - surprise - a carbon copy of Naruto and Sakura. Nagato isn't some new ninja, but he's actually an Uzumaki! His Rinnegan were given to him by Madara (this made zero sense. Why would he give them to some random ass kid?) Rinnegan isn't new, it's actually just a Super Sharingan. And if you are in the same clan as another ninja, you can be sure that you'll act and look the same as them, throughout the generations. Flashback time? Get ready for Past Chouji, Past Shisui, Past Ino, Past Gaara, Past Lee/Gai, etc.

The series was at its best when it didn't try to do this. The Land of Samurai, Hanzo and his rain village, most of the Akatsuki members not being related to anyone we knew (Deidara, Kisame, Sasori, etc.) I don't know, maybe I'm just ranting, but when the series avoided parallels the world building felt authentic and believable. Like, Tobirama is a Senju, but he looks and fights nothing like his brother. He uses speed, water and intelligence while his brother has really unique wood powers and relies more on strength. Compare this to all Akimichis/Yamanakas/Aburamaes/Uzumakis using the same basic techniques. This was also true for the Uchiha, for the most part, but they got enough focus so that we got to see how the Sharingan is used when you focus on different aspects of its special abilities - Kakashi used it to copy techniques, Sasuke used it to amplify his taijutsu and ninjutsu, Itachi relied entirely on genjutsu and even had a unique crow motif, Shisui used it to teleport and manipulate minds. That was cool. When the series used parallels outside of the initial Sannin comparison it felt very forced and contrived.
 
"They probably were descendants of that Rikudô Sennin guy I didn't think even existed just last week!"
-A (for Asspull)


I remember they were shown attacking Kurama with those special Rikudô weapons. On the very same page we were told the only reason they could wield those weapons without dying was that they had Kurama's chakra. Hm.

Didn't Ten-Ten end up with one of those weapons?

From the wiki:

Each of these items demonstrate unusual and distinctive abilities. However, their usage consumes an enormous amount of chakra, so much so that a normal human could die if they used them. These five treasures were eventually gathered together by Kumogakure where they came into the possession of the Gold and Silver Brothers. As the siblings possessed immense chakra reserves and then later became imbued with a small amount of Kurama's chakra, they were capable of wielding the treasures without fatal repercussions.

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Treasured_Tools_of_the_Sage_of_the_Six_Paths

So no, you're wrong.
 
Eh, if Indra and Ashura were used then its no stretch that Sarawasti was as well.
To clarify/elaborate on what I said above:
1) I disagree that there is "no stretch": Saraswati really isn't as well-known as the others
2) We're not even talking about about "Saraswati", but one of her many alternate names...
3) ... because of its actual meaning to boot.
4) You appear to be conveniently jumping from "Sharada" in Sanskrit to "Sarada" in kana.
5) I can't even check how that Sanskrit name is transcribed in Japanese as I can't find references to it on the Japanese web (probably because Saraswati isn't particularly popular in Japan in the first place as they're far more accustomed to her Buddhist/Shintô equivalent Benzaiten).
6) It's fucking Kishimoto. The guy is barely literate and subtle as a brick.


Its crazy how most peoples criticisms amount to nothing more than the story not happening the way they thought or not the way they want.
Yes, it's crazy how some people would rather have stories that make some kind of sense...


Like with Naruto unconscious after his fight with Sasuke. Zetsu was apparently observing the whole fight. Kakashi wasn't anywhere near the location given that by the time he arrived he couldn't really catch up to a weakened Sasuke. Why did Zetsu not capture Naruto right then and there? Either with his own powers or telling Obito "Hey Naruto's out and no one's around. Might wanna get him". Obito could have used Kamui and transport Naruto into his dimension indefinitely so he can't be found (unless there's a limit to how long he can keep something there?).
Obito squandered many opportunities to win, and often went out of his way to actually lose.

Like, remember the reveal that Kisame hadn't really been killed by A and B, but had actually been replaced by Zetsu? And the flashback that explained why?
"Here's the plan: don't win the fight against the Eight Tails' host. Lose on purpose, hide in your sword (because of course you can do that), infiltrate the shinobi alliance (it doesn't exist yet, but I'm about to tell the five countries everything they need to know about our goals so they create it!) and gather information so we can win the upcoming war. And get our hands on the Eight Tails' host."
Obito could have just let Kisame win (not telling A his brother was alive might have helped, too), but naaaah.

And yeah, of course, the completely unnecessary war. Would have been waaay too easy to leave the big countries at their quarrels and snatch the two remaining hosts, huh?
Hell, they didn't even need them: they had a tentacle of the Eight Tails, and with Kabuto showing up, they could use the Nine Tails chakra from Kinkaku/Ginkaku. We were told and shown it was enough. No reason to even take part in that war!

And speaking of Kabuto, until the guy showed up (for some reason... I'm thinking Kabuto just can't stop acting like he's planning something... like, did we ever find out why he led those Konoha guys to Akatsuki's headquarters? rhetorical question, don't worry!), was Obito really planning on winning that war just with Zetsu? Weak Zetsu, too (Kabuto was the one who steroided them up). What a mastermind.

OH, and what was up Obito wanting to set up a fight between Naruto/Sasuke on the premise of showing who's superior between the Uchiha and Senju during the Kage Summit? Of course at that time he was masquerading as Madara during that time
Speaking of that scene, remember when he looked at Naruto and went "grrrr, you remind me of Hashirama, whom I hate so much", complete with an actual superimposed image of the guy? Man, Obito really was into that whole "pretending to be Madara" thing, wasn't he?


The whole Mizukage thing never went anywhere outside of a short mention when Yagura shows up in the whole zombie arc, and even then it just felt like a bone was being thrown to people who remembered when "Madara" said that to Kisame. This could have been explored in more detail, as there is a big period of Obito's life we don't know anything about, but it was left to the side.
It's pretty amusing how the actual reveal changed between the original serialization in Weekly Jump (where Kisame called Obito "Mizukage") and the actual volume (where Kisame called Obito "former Mizukage")... and in the end, Obito wasn't even that either: he just was manipulating (somehow) the Fourth Mizukage at some point.
And yeah, it went nowhere. I guess it did explain why Yagura (who seemed like a good guy) was the one who turned the village into the cruel "Bloody Mist": he was manipulated by bad guy Obito! ... but then, we get that flashback to Rin's death (i.e. before Obito's heel turn), and the Bloody Mist is mentioned, so er...


Didn't Ten-Ten end up with one of those weapons?
Hey, I was quoting what the characters were saying on that page. Check for yourself.
So the point remains. That was the explanation given for the brothers being able to use those weapons: they had Kurama's chakra. But then, they were shown using those weapons during their fight against Kurama on the same page. That's quite amusing to me.

(And frankly, even if we added "well, I guess you could use them for a little while before being exhausted/out of chakra" (so Tenten using one of them later on without dying would make more sense), why would you pick those things to fight fucking Kurama? Or were the brothers waiting for him to say "grooooar"?)

From the wiki:

Each of these items demonstrate unusual and distinctive abilities. However, their usage consumes an enormous amount of chakra, so much so that a normal human could die if they used them. These five treasures were eventually gathered together by Kumogakure where they came into the possession of the Gold and Silver Brothers. As the siblings possessed immense chakra reserves and then later became imbued with a small amount of Kurama's chakra, they were capable of wielding the treasures without fatal repercussions.

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Treasured_Tools_of_the_Sage_of_the_Six_Paths

So no, you're wrong.
Er... I'm going from what the actual manga says. Trying to prove me wrong simply with a wiki might not be the best idea...
I don't think that "as the siblings possessed immense chakra reserves" (even before they ate Kurama's flesh) part is actually mentioned in the story. Sounds like something the wiki people came up with in order to try and explain away the contradiction I pointed out above.

And I was just pointing out the most immediate (same page) contradiction concerning those brothers, there. There would also be how the Cloud shinobi went from revering them in episodes 525 and 526 ("ano katagata", "Kinkaku/Ginkaku sama", "Kumo ni futatsu no hiraki ari", etc) to despising them in episode 527 (now, it turns out they're the worst criminals in the history of their village and killed a Raikage)...
 
Saraswati really isn't as well-known as the others
I hope you're not trying to say she's less well known than Indra and the Asuras. And if you are, I hope you have something to back that up considering people who practise Hinduism, yknow, still pray to her.
 
I'm afraid I am.

I don't have actual numbers, no. Do you?

I wasn't exactly stopping at "people who practice Hinduism"...
I'm not the one who made the claim. You first.

Right, because Hindus are such an insignificant number of people that you need to extend your range.
 
I enjoyed and enjoy Naruto despite all its issues. Like the characters like the universe. Frustrating at times but will always have a soft spot. These threads always turn into a shit throwing fest lol.

Not that I mind either way but it is always amusing.
 
Right, because Hindus are such an insignificant number of people that you need to extend your range.
No, because we were talking about the likelihood of Kishimoto having picked the name "Sarada" as a reference to one of Saraswati's other Sanskrit names. What's relevant here is how well-known Saraswati or any of her other Sanskrit names are among the general Japanese population, compared to terms like "chakra", "Indra" or "Ashura".
Based on my personal experience, I'd say "far less", and googling around isn't doing much to change my opinion.
 
Well, didn't you know what it was we were talking about in the first place?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=160560913&postcount=295
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=160563427&postcount=299

And didn't you read past 1) in the post you quoted either?
I did. Your post isn't clear about whether you're referring to only Japan or talking about her following in comparison to the other uses of names and terminology to the world in general even with your Bezaiten point.
 
I'm afraid I am.


I don't have actual numbers, no. Do you?


I wasn't exactly stopping at "people who practice Hinduism"...

You don't know what you're talking about. My family are Hindu. Sarawasti is one of the most renown gods. We have a massive festival every year, far more renown that Indra.

You also seem to think Kishi is just getting these names form the top of his head. No, he has clearly looked into the Hindu culture.

Indra and Asura can be somewhat related to Sasuke and Naruto. Indra is a god of lightning and is known to be arrogant and power hungry. Asura is used to refer to a race of demons (perhaps fallen gods is a better name). Asura and Indra ( who had an army of gods) constantly fought each other. Sasuke fits Indra really well and I suspect Kishi just saw the constant battle with asura and gave that to Naruto.

Other stuff I've noticed. Six paths of Pain is a blatant reference to the six realms :
1. The World of Devas or Gods
2. The World of Asuras (Demons)
3. The World of Humans
4. The World of Animals
5. The World of Pretas
6. The World of Hell

I'm no too versed in the mythology unfortunately so there could be more. He has evidently looked into things. Whether Sarada is a direct reference to Sarawasti is unknown, but it would not surprise me at all and is not a stretch.
 
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