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Finally beat
in defiled chalice layer 1. Finally got the parry timing down and learned when to get in some extra hits.
Keeper of the Old Lords
Bloodborne |OT+++| ...and so the Nightly Hunt continues
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The Strokes
Banned
I'm finding the fight against
frustrating. His moves are sort of unpredictable and the damage he makes on each blow take a lot of my health bar.
I don't have issues taking half of its life. It's his other half that I'm having issues with. Sigh.
Gherman, the first hunter
I don't have issues taking half of its life. It's his other half that I'm having issues with. Sigh.
johntown
Banned
Have fun with the layer 2 and 3 bosses.
super-famicom
Member
Yes, there is a boss there.
Go back up to the roof and look for places to drop down to.
Thanks for the tip, I think I know which area you're talking about.
Neff
Member
Agreed. Having finished the game twice now, I'd still say
Ebrietas
Gerhrman
Moon P
Logarius
funkystudent
Member
Cant decide what weapon I want to upgrade to +10.
Holy Blade is my main but I use Hunters Axe as my secondary and I guess it gets a bigger upgrade from the 9-10 boost.
Also getting mad blood eccos from Level 4 Chalice dungeons snow. 100k per floor not including a boss is pretty great for my guy. Just about do 2 levels per floor now.
Holy Blade is my main but I use Hunters Axe as my secondary and I guess it gets a bigger upgrade from the 9-10 boost.
Also getting mad blood eccos from Level 4 Chalice dungeons snow. 100k per floor not including a boss is pretty great for my guy. Just about do 2 levels per floor now.
Mechanized
Member
Ugh. Chalice dungeons should be persistent across all your characters.
When in doubt:
Killed him first try. :X
what the heck is that thing? I know its called a Tonitrus but what does it do?
Destroys all. It's transform is a bolt buff. Does insane damage maybe the highest in the game. Unfortunately it's moveset is just boring.
In Cainhurst, right where you pulled that lever to open the hidden path (the bookshelf moved), look carefully, there is a ladder that will eventually lead to the the boss (Matry Logarius).
johntown
Banned
Congrats! That one took me a long time.oh my god finally.
R2 attack with Ludwig.
Finally took her down. I just stayed close to her body and her magic never hit me lol
Laurentius
Member
Watched a few Bloodborne streams for the first time. The PVP connection issues are really quite a big deal, I think. I'm mainly a PVE guy myself, but I recognize how the popularity of PVP in previous games has been one of the prime factors in their longevity. DS1 and DS2 streams still get a ton of viewers, for example. Unless From releases some PVP improvements (connections and otherwise) I could see the popularity of Bloodborne tapering off a lot quicker than the Souls games...
Uno Venova
Banned
So you know the
in the Lecture Hall?..I killed him, I didn't realize he was the same person laughing at me earlier and thought he was a new enemy to fight..what did I miss out on?
spider guy behind the door
friskykillface
Banned
pikachu dead B^) felt good
hmmm curious about something ,
lol all you have to do is go under the electric beast and hit hit hit, fgjffgkghgmfmfhvg 
my mind is always blown when the game connects areas haha.
now off to the woods
my mind is always blown when the game connects areas haha.now off to the woods
hmmm curious about something ,
do you ever kill the guy firing the machine gun, i hated that guy
lowhighkang_LHK
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Does anyone know a root chalice dungeon and the dungeon glyph code that has blood rocks and blood chunks?
Hate to break it to you, but he gives you possibly the best rune in the game. Truth.
Orthogonal
Member
Ah yes, 0 stamina ladder climb.
Orthogonal
Member
Thank you, I was at wits end on that.
It is a clever shortcut, but they needed to do something to give a little stronger hint at that ladder.
Ah thanks
At least nothing in this game so far has approached the frustration I had of trying to figure out how to light the Drangleic Castle torches in DkS2. lol
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Getting way more invasions in this area then the frontier. 
So I got my first blood rock and I'm kinda torn on what weapon to use it on. Is there anything that would be really bad to upgrade in a general sense? I've been using the saw spear basically since the moment I could buy it and it's served me well. Doesn't have the best scaling or anything though.
Dio Brando
Banned
seeing some of the bosses difficulty lists, i really think i went into a path that made my character overleved. Bosses like
and
were REALLY easy for me. Both first try. At first, i thought it was that AI bug, but i always turned the ps4 off after playing. Maybe it was the Ludwig Blade and the overleveling.
Paarl
Ebrietas
ScottSullivan
Member
Don't overthink it. Upgrade your most used weapon. You find more more in NG+ and Chalice Dungeon if you really want to +10 everything. I used it on the axe and never regretted it
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
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Those invincibility frames.
zyxwvu4321
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So before I start messing around farming root chalices, let me make sure I'm understanding this correctly:
1) Don't bother making anything that isn't a depth 5.
2) Make 1 that has all of the extra rituals.
3) I can now use glyph codes to make any version of the dungeons that I've already made myself without using more materials (ie I made a Pthumeru Ihyll root with everything, I can now use a glyph for any Pthumeru Ihyll).
1) Don't bother making anything that isn't a depth 5.
2) Make 1 that has all of the extra rituals.
3) I can now use glyph codes to make any version of the dungeons that I've already made myself without using more materials (ie I made a Pthumeru Ihyll root with everything, I can now use a glyph for any Pthumeru Ihyll).
robertlebrone
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Beat the game! From someone that had never played through any of the Souls games this game was tough, but ultimately very rewarding. I'm glad I stuck with it long enough to finish it.
I'll mess around with NG+ a little, but I think I'll be pretty much moving on to something else. Great game.
I'll mess around with NG+ a little, but I think I'll be pretty much moving on to something else. Great game.
Ghost Slayer
Member
use Choir set, it's has highest arcane def
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Where do I find
Ebrietas?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...?pli=1&sle=true#gid=1095946635#button-dungeon
Seems like you can only get 1 rock from each chalice type. So, if you got one from Isz, every other Isz will only give you a wisdom item instead. Thus, best to pick the glyph that gives you the fastest way to get it, one in layer 1.
If you know its coming, easy to dodge. Just spam dodge left or right for volley 1, 2, but here is the key, after the 2 volley, wait a split second before dodging the final time. If you were to try spamming dodge through all 3 volleys, the last one will kill you every time.
Upper Cathedral.
Run directly away from her when she does this. They won't all miss but you'll live at least.
EL CUCO
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WhiskerFrisker
Member
What kind of scrub list is this? Just kidding. Where are the chalice bosses? Those bosses are simple compared to them. Pthumerian Descendant and Loran Darkbeast should be on this list; much higher than your final four.
Sure, lvl?
So something weird happened today in old yarnham. I came from the boss area up to the tower to fight
since i'd fought him before. This time
. I thought I needed to wear
to trigger that? I wasn't, so maybe something else triggers talking with him.
djura
he didn't attack though, he just talked to me and gave me his badge
some church clothes
Fimbulvetr
Member
I'm reposting this (heh, reposting) from an earlier thread, since it didn't generate any discussion there. I'm interested in opinions on this stuff. I'd like to go into more detail about why I think parrying is messed up in this game in a PVE context and how it should be fixed, but I think I'll wait and see if anyone's even interested first.
I'd like to talk about defensive options a bit, but first a word on enemy moveset design, since it naturally intersects with defense options.
Enemies in Bloodborne feel ferocious. I don't just mean this in the sense of how relentless they are, or how often they attack, but in execution of each individual attack. It seems like most attacks in Bloodborne go like this: the enemy performs a big windup, clearly signaling that they're about to unleash an attack, then executes in a split second, their limbs becoming blurs and whistling through the air. This, along with the pretty high amount of damage the average attack does at the intended player level range, and how easily stunned and knocked down the player is, communicate a sense of power and deadliness from enemies, which was probably a major goal for the designers. It also creates a certain style of defense from players. Instead of being able to react to attacks, these super fast execution times demand that players anticipate attacks based on prior experience and intuition. This isn't such a bad thing in itself, but in conjunction with flaws in the player's defensive options it becomes ugly. In general, I think the designers may have been overly fixated on making the enemies this way; it's something that I felt in the Souls games as well, but it's intensified here to a degree that's sometimes very uncomfortable.
To explain why it can be so uncomfortable, let's go into detail on defense, starting with dodging.
This is a problem that's been present since the Souls series' inception, but it's significantly more harmful in Bloodborne than any game previous in my experience. Dashing is done by holding the dodge button, so to read inputs the game waits a moment after the dodge button is pressed to see if the button is held. During this moment, nothing can happen. This means that there's forced lag on dodging in addition to the controller to console latency, latency added by the television, etc. In previous games in the Souls style this hasn't been such a massive problem (though it certainly was one), but with the higher level of precision the average enemy demands in Bloodborne this latency can become painfully apparent.
It's sad, because it's super easy to solve: move dashing to the almost totally unused L3 button and make it on a toggle the way Dark Souls II on PC allowed it to be. This would also bring the benefit of being able to dash and move the camera at the same time, though I already gave myself that ability by switching the inputs for R1 and O in the PS4 system menu, something everyone should do! Dodging needs to be as responsive as possible, and getting hit by an attack that I fully anticipated and know that I pressed the dodge button in advance of because the input didn't have time to be read is infuriating.
As for parrying, or "counter shot"-ing, I think it's surprisingly flawed. Enemy stun states have been fundamentally rethought in Bloodborne: instead of actually parrying an action at or near the moment of impact by interacting with it directly to stun the enemy, actions put entities into a "parryable" state during a definite set of frames during the action, sometimes even after the moment of impact, and if a bullet hits them during these frames they will be stunned. This seems to be the designers' method of adapting to a parry mechanic that can work at range. Again, this isn't necessarily problematic in and of itself, but it has some nasty consequences thanks to the way parrying works.
For starters, the Hunter Pistol (the fastest parrying weapon in the game, right?) has at least 10 frames of warmup lag, possibly 11 or 12 if the muzzle flash appears before the bullet itself is spawned. This is already significantly longer than the warmup for most shields in Dark Souls, and is more similar to some of the timings seen in Dark Souls II. Faster enemy attacks don't mesh with this. But there's more.
In my own play, and in footage of others playing, I've been shocked at how often a parry attempt in normal parry range (well inside the range of the attack being parried) succeeds, but the parried attack also connects. In theory, this should only ever happen when the parry succeeds and the attack hits on the exact same frame (and really, this too is a case where the parry should override the attack), so it should be a rare occurrance, but it appears common in Bloodborne. I originally thought that this was because bullets are modeled as objects traveling through space and thus have travel time even at point blank range, and this may be true (if someone can come up with a solid way of testing this that'd be fantastic), but it also seems that enemies react to being shot a handful of frames after they've actually been hit. I don't know how to explain this except sheer incompetence on the part of the designers. Here's a series of images to illustrate:
This is frame 10 of the Hunter Pistol's firing animation, where the muzzle flash appears. The enemy is already mid attack.
Two frames later, the parry connects, dealing damage that's visible on the enemy health bar. The enemy doesn't react yet, despite being vulnerable.
Here's the next frame. The enemy still hasn't reacted, and so its attack has continued, hitting me on this frame.
The enemy finally reacts another 2 frames later:
So that's 12 frames of warmup lag (or 10 plus 2 frames of bullet travel time if that theory is correct) and 3 frames of enemy reaction lag, making the total player action to enemy reaction sequence here take a total of 15 frames, or exactly half a second. This is some rather nasty latency for a mechanic that needs to be very precise. And again, the late enemy reaction is totally unacceptable. The heavier warmup lag on shots is an unfortunate design choice (likely made to make dodging shots in PVP more viable, but I think a better solution could've been found), but the enemy reaction lag seems to be an actual mistake.
I've done a little testing and it seems some enemies react faster to being parried than others, but it'd be awesome if people really dug into this issue. It's really too bad, because the more universal parrying solution guns bring is amazing in concept, but these flaws drag it down. If anyone else wants to do some testing, go right ahead!
Ok. I will get on my lvl 60. What password? Never co-op her, so hope it goes well.
Golgo 13
The Man With The Golden Dong
Yep, they're tough as hell
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