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[jim2point0]

I've noticed there are some people who are actually nuts enough to consider the GTX980 to be a "mid-range" card.

GAF is crazy.

Well.... depends on how you look at it I guess. When you consider the possibilities, a 980 is actually kinda cheap =P

970 \ 980 = High end
TitanX \ 980 SLI = High High end
TitanX SLI = High high high end
TitanX 3-way SLI = Really freakin high high high end

 

[ninanuam]

Well.... depends on how you look at it I guess. When you consider the possibilities, a 980 is actually kinda cheap =P

970 980 = High end
TitanX 980 SLI = High High end
TitanX SLI = High high high end
TitanX 3-way SLI = Really freakin high high high end

exactly. I have a hard time calling my machine high end when there are people out there rocking sli 980s and tripple titans with extreme CPUs.

I just bought the mid card in the 900 series and got a decent CPU. And its also why I said "midish"

 

[viveks86]

Well.... depends on how you look at it I guess. When you consider the possibilities, a 980 is actually kinda cheap =P

970 \ 980 = High end
TitanX \ 980 SLI = High High end
TitanX SLI = High high high end
TitanX 3-way SLI = Really freakin high high high end

Doesn't 30IR have a 4-way SLI already?

 

[lowrider007]

980 is most definitely high end at the very least imo, especially in the grand scheme of things, take the stats on the steam hardware survey for example, the 980 accounts for just 0.64% with integrated GPU's topping the charts, and no way is a 970 mid range.

When you hang about on enthusiast forums it's all to easy to feel mid range with a 970/980 when you have people unzipping their pants and flopping out tipple titans in your face.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

I've noticed there are some people who are actually nuts enough to consider the GTX980 to be a "mid-range" card.

GAF is crazy.

It's people confusing price points with where a chip falls in an architectural sequence.

Starting with the GeForce 600 series, Nvidia has done staggered architecture releases over two year periods:

600 series -> Little Kepler aka GK104 (660/670/680)
700 series -> Big Kepler aka GK110 (Titan / 780 / 780ti)
900 series -> Little Maxwell aka GM204 (970/980)
??? series -> Big Maxwell aka GM210 (Titan X / ??? future card)

So when someone says "the 970/980 is a mid range card", this is a reference to it being the GM204 chip, rather than the GM210 chip, which is the most powerful Maxwell chip that will be produced before the next architecture is released.

I usually see people calling it mid range on forums in an effort to complain about it and/or Nvidia.

 

[Boombox On]

exactly. I have a hard time calling my machine high end when there are people out there rocking sli 980s and tripple titans with extreme CPUs.

I just bought the mid card in the 900 series and got a decent CPU. And its also why I said "midish"

Just because people have better builds doesn't mean yours isn't a great build. It's not a good measure because no matter how much money you dump on a PC, there ALWAYS will be someone who has spent more.

EDIT: ^Thanks for the info.

 

[Kageshinzo]

Do they need to be insufferable assholes in the process?

You think that this only applies to PC gamers? Let's not pretend that these days, with Sony's dominance in the console platform "wars", a lot of the PS4 owners in this forum do not relish the chance to snipe at the Xbox One and Wii U owners -- especially the Xbox One owners. You only need to look at the comparison threads in major titles (PS4 1080/60; XBO 900/60, etc) to know this.

So it does get a bit funny when PC comes into the picture and stomps everything else. Kinda like how a schoolyard elementary bully lords over the lower graders until a middle-schooler comes and takes away his lunch.

 

[Rhaknar]

I've noticed there are some people who are actually nuts enough to consider the GTX980 to be a "mid-range" card.

GAF is crazy.

Pft. I hold my imaginary giant e-penis proudly like a flag pole when I talk about my i54690k and 970s SLI

 

[texhnolyze]

You think that this only applies to PC gamers? Let's not pretend that these days, with Sony's dominance in the console platform "wars", a lot of the PS4 owners in this forum do not relish the chance to snipe at the Xbox One and Wii U owners -- especially the Xbox One owners. You only need to look at the comparison threads in major titles (PS4 1080/60; XBO 900/60, etc) to know this.

So it does get a bit funny when PC comes into the picture and stomps everything else. Kinda like how a schoolyard elementary bully lords over the lower graders until a middle-schooler comes and takes away his lunch.

This is what I always see in every DF thread.

 

[Seanspeed]

You think that this only applies to PC gamers? Let's not pretend that these days, with Sony's dominance in the console platform "wars", a lot of the PS4 owners in this forum do not relish the chance to snipe at the Xbox One and Wii U owners -- especially the Xbox One owners. You only need to look at the comparison threads in major titles (PS4 1080/60; XBO 900/60, etc) to know this.

So it does get a bit funny when PC comes into the picture and stomps everything else. Kinda like how a schoolyard elementary bully lords over the lower graders until a middle-schooler comes and takes away his lunch.

Pretty much.

 

[VGA222]

Not really. And it really shouldn't actually, considering the specs of a 750ti.

What its performance at console-like settings in the vast majority of multiplatform titles does indicate is that there is no sign of a 2x efficiency difference. GPU efficiency is basically equal, and CPU efficiency only slightly lower in realistic scenarios -- and even that minor difference will be mitigated by lower-level APIs on PC soon.

CPU efficiency might be theoretically lower, but a quarter of the PS4's cpu is locked away currently. So a PC CPU is actually more efficient.

 

[Kezen]

You think that this only applies to PC gamers? Let's not pretend that these days, with Sony's dominance in the console platform "wars", a lot of the PS4 owners in this forum do not relish the chance to snipe at the Xbox One and Wii U owners -- especially the Xbox One owners. You only need to look at the comparison threads in major titles (PS4 1080/60; XBO 900/60, etc) to know this.

So it does get a bit funny when PC comes into the picture and stomps everything else. Kinda like how a schoolyard elementary bully lords over the lower graders until a middle-schooler comes and takes away his lunch.

Well said.

 

[Durante]

What's your opinion on the often times claimed benefit of unified memory for GPGPU computations? How much of an average-case benefit is that compared to copying data back and forth over PCIe? I am wondering not only because of consoles, but because AMD's marketing is pushing HSA in general.

It can be significant for GPU computing in HPC, so the whole Zen thing makes sense to me. This is primarily due to double precision compute and numeric stability requirements on some operations though.

As for consoles/games, I've yet to hear of a single game on any platform using GPU compute for a non-visual effect which would even necessitate copying data back and forth, so I think the impact right now on games is close to 0. As for the future, who can say? But I think for console games during this generation you'll probably always be trying to do everything which is decently parallelizable entirely on the GPUs if possible -- why would you want to introduce any additional load on CPU cores which are already mostly overtasked?

 

[Dictator93]

Now that I think about it, I think Rockstar should have used HuMA and compute to make more Grass for the PS4 version, and could have used the cloud for the xb1 version. Do you think they ran out of time while porting?

If you take away the cost of rendering grass (because of HuMA compute and cloud compute), I see no reason why the PS4 couldn't be 60 fps with the xb1 being ~45fps. Then again we will never know and can never make educated estimates on anything regarding these consoles because of that framerate cap. Why do we even have these comparisons anyway then?

 

[DiscoDave]

Now that I think about it, I think Rockstar should have used HuMA and compute to make more Grass for the PS4 version, and could have used the cloud for the xb1 version. Do you think they ran out of time while porting?

If you take away the cost of rendering grass (because of HuMA compute and cloud compute), I see no reason why the PS4 couldn't be 60 fps with the xb1 being ~45fps. Then again we will never know and can never make educated estimates on anything regarding these consoles because of that framerate cap. Why do we even have these comparisons anyway then?

Crap 0/10

You think that this only applies to PC gamers? Let's not pretend that these days, with Sony's dominance in the console platform "wars", a lot of the PS4 owners in this forum do not relish the chance to snipe at the Xbox One and Wii U owners -- especially the Xbox One owners. You only need to look at the comparison threads in major titles (PS4 1080/60; XBO 900/60, etc) to know this.

So it does get a bit funny when PC comes into the picture and stomps everything else. Kinda like how a schoolyard elementary bully lords over the lower graders until a middle-schooler comes and takes away his lunch.

So two wrongs make a right...it's just as shit coming from PC gamers but that's OK cause reasons.

 

[gtj1092]

You think that this only applies to PC gamers? Let's not pretend that these days, with Sony's dominance in the console platform "wars", a lot of the PS4 owners in this forum do not relish the chance to snipe at the Xbox One and Wii U owners -- especially the Xbox One owners. You only need to look at the comparison threads in major titles (PS4 1080/60; XBO 900/60, etc) to know this.

So it does get a bit funny when PC comes into the picture and stomps everything else. Kinda like how a schoolyard elementary bully lords over the lower graders until a middle-schooler comes and takes away his lunch.

I think some don't realize that the reason some of these "PC" gamers get so upset is because last generation they were holding the flag for Nintendo and MS but now that the table have turned on the hardware front and sales front they are now "PC" gamers and use that as a front to console war. Having read this board since 1999 you know who really is into PCs and who is just running a proxy console war. All of it is childish and to claim one is better than the other kind of just says what "side" you fall on.

One thing I still don't get is why "PC" fanboys don't think they are fanboys too?

 

[Durante]

One thing I still don't get is why "PC" fanboys don't think they are fanboys too?

Well, considering PC the best platform has nothing to do with fanboyism, it's merely an objective appraisal of the situation

 

[Ysiadmihi]

One thing I still don't get is why "PC" fanboys don't think they are fanboys too?

Do you really see people deny being PC fanboys, though? There really isn't a reason not to admit it, whereas with consoles you're bringing brand loyalty into the mix which just makes the whole thing shameful.

 

[Dredd97]

Do you really see people deny being PC fanboys, though? There really isn't a reason not to admit it, whereas with consoles you're bringing brand loyalty into the mix which just makes the whole thing shameful.

what you mean like AMD / Nvidia?

 

[Ysiadmihi]

what you mean like AMD / Nvidia?

Those people exist, but what does that have to do with platform fanboyism?

 

[Seanspeed]

So two wrongs make a right...it's just as shit coming from PC gamers but that's OK cause reasons.

I don't think that's what anyone was saying at all. :/

The point is that these generalizations and attitudes towards PC and PC gamers are coming from a perspective of 'us vs them', not of genuine concern over the fair treatment of everybody and every platform. In fact, many of the people making these comments tend to be the exact same ones relishing opportunities to act smug about PS4's superiority in other DF threads. So yea - we can see what the real motivation is, and it has nothing to do with trying to do the right thing. It's just as the person described - a bully who has their fun taken away because a bigger bully came along and now they're complaining about being bullied themselves. I simply cant find it in myself to sympathize, sorry.

 

[hodgy100]

what you mean like AMD / Nvidia?

gpu fanboyism is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[omonimo]

Crap 0/10



So two wrongs make a right...it's just as shit coming from PC gamers but that's OK cause reasons.

Seems so.

 

[Dictator93]

Crap 0/10

As much as I would like to wish it away, that sentiment has been uttered many times before (although you would have to be a pure idiot to think the cloud stuff), including the idea that GTAV was not written well to take advantage of many cored CPUs. People still think that GPU compute is some nth degree savior and/or advantage consoles have over PCs, inspite of it not making sense and having no evidence. People seem enjoy comparisons that look favorable toward their choice of console, but then come up with crazy crazy reasons why any comparison with PCs is incorrect and or useless.

I wish it wasn't real, but it is. Just go back in this thread, or look at the dying light thread, alexandros' junioring thread, or any DF comparison where the i3 set up ending up looking really favourable (all of them).

Seems so.

People are outwardly denying reality in these threads or writing off large differences as "being nothing of note." A little sarcasm shouldnt hurt their already twisted sense of reality.

 

[Dredd97]

Those people exist, but what does that have to do with platform fanboyism?

everything, they are both the same side of the coin...
doesn't matter if it's brand, gpu or cpu fanboyism, it's still a fanboyism and still as annoying as anything the console wars drag up...

 

[R_Deckard]

what you mean like AMD / Nvidia?

Yep

Those people exist, but what does that have to do with platform fanboyism?

Because it is the same as the console fan fight, just a bitter internal PC struggle..lol

And like all of them they are sad and pathetic, what makes (for me at least) the PC portion that do it worse is they have some very poor and ill placed "superior knowledge" aloofness going on that is comical at best, this thread is full of the "experts" quoting cliché's left right and centre I have seen enough "but DX12 will be 2 da metal" now I am sure it has over taken hUMA architecture or the cloud as the new Secret Sauce.

Why can a discussion on tech not always digress into this dumb argument that side tracks the point, with each side thinking that their sh*t don't stink..such a serious business this, Alexandros was completely wrong in is thread as shown by both NXgamer and DF analysis and was reduced to Junior for it...the cost of war is high I guess ;-)

 

[Auto-Reply]

gpu fanboyism is absolutely ridiculous.

What fanboyism is not ridiculous? Is there any form of fanboyism outside of "gpu fanboyism" (if there even is such a thing and it's not mistaken for user preference) that is justified?

 

[Ysiadmihi]

everything, they are both the same side of the coin...
doesn't matter if it's brand, gpu or cpu fanboyism, it's still a fanboyism and still as annoying as anything the console wars drag up...

They're not even remotely similar. The consequences of staying loyal to one GPU brand are nothing close to what you give up when staying loyal to a console.

 

[Kageshinzo]

So two wrongs make a right...it's just as shit coming from PC gamers but that's OK cause reasons.

I'd like to say that it's not okay, but it does feel good when arrogance gets taken down a peg or two. If some people use a certain criteria/factor (i.e. power, specs) to put down an opposing console/s, they shouldn't get defensive when the same criteria/factor gets thrown at them by another player that is more powerful. If you can dish them out, you better be able to take them as well.

One thing I still don't get is why "PC" fanboys don't think they are fanboys too?

A real PC gamer isn't afraid to admit they're a PC fanboy though. I know "Master Race" is frowned upon in these parts and for the most part, it is used as a joking term to annoy and troll, but if we're going to be serious about it, there is nothing false about that term, especially now when consoles are becoming more and more like PCs. Back when consoles were distinctly separate from PC and there was an obvious delineation between the two, consoles had more obvious advantages over the PC: actual plug-and-play, less buggy games, more variety in genres, more exclusivity, etc. Now? Not as much, and more and more, comparisons between the PC and current consoles are unavoidable.

 

[Lockjaw333]

980 is most definitely high end at the very least imo, especially in the grand scheme of things, take the stats on the steam hardware survey for example, the 980 accounts for just 0.64% with integrated GPU's topping the charts, and no way is a 970 mid range.

When you hang about on enthusiast forums it's all to easy to feel mid range with a 970/980 when you have people unzipping their pants and flopping out tipple titans in your face.

A 970/980 is a high end card everywhere except on enthusiast forums, as you say. T the general consumer and "normal" PC gamer that builds systems every few years, a 970/980 or 290/290x (right now) are high end choices for GPU, whereas something like a 960 or 280/270 are mid range.

The average PC gamer is not like Smokey with tri-SLI Titans

When you start getting into 2x 970 or 2x 980, you are talking enthusiast level IMO.

Its easy to get it twisted being on enthusiast forums where everyone has top end hardware, but in the general PC gaming landscape most of the systems here are considered top end.

If someone wants to build a system right now and asks me "what is the top of the line card I could get right now", assuming they arent trying to drop 2K+ on a rig, I'll tell them a 970 or 980. A $500+ GPU is not mid range, I get a chuckle every time I read that here

 

[bj00rn_]

So the usual suspects (just look at that circle jerk cluster some posts above..) are trying to derail a legit thread with sulky bullshit. So what else is new..

The very high shadow setting is awesome at night, in fact all the extra shadow settings are great. The LOD settings doubly so.

Its easy to get it twisted being on enthusiast forums where everyone has top end hardware, but in the general PC gaming landscape most of the systems here are considered top end.

That might be somewhat true when it comes to broader ratios. But some analyst firm (I'm not going to bother dig up the link yet AGAIN) did a 60 million high end (I believe they were called "enthusiasts" in the report) PC gaming systems worldwide estimation a couple of years ago. There are more capable machines out there than you think.

Why are we even discussing this?

 

[Marlenus]

(if there even is such a thing and it's not mistaken for user preference)

It definitely is a thing, just read the Anandtech VC&G forums and you will see it is not exactly different from the console wars here. I definitely lean AMD and if all things are equal in performance and price metrics I will go with the AMD option but if they are not competitive then I go for their competition.

As far as platform fanboyism goes I do not really have a preference, this gen I went PS4 + PC because I wanted a 1080p box for the TV and my PC is old. I just want to see solid ports across all platforms. If the PS4 can outperform an i5 + 280 (or above) I do not see that as a victory for the PS4 but as a failure for the developer because that should not be happening. Just like I do not see the i3 + 750Ti combo beating a PS4 as being a PC victory but a failure for the dev because the PS4 is more capable than that.

This game seems fine, performance is about where you would expect and considering the i3 + 750 Ti combo dropped to 30 FPS in the firefight (as the most intensive section of the video) I doubt the PS4 version would perform any worse than that if unlocked and it is likely to perform slightly better but we have no proof of that so it is just my speculation.

If someone wants to build a system right now and asks me "what is the top of the line card I could get right now", assuming they arent trying to drop 2K+ on a rig, I'll tell them a 970 or 980. A $500+ GPU is not mid range, I get a chuckle every time I read that here

As stated above technically the GM204 chip is the mid-range maxwell die but it is not quite the same as previous x04 dies because, like the Kepler x04 die before, it was designed to be positioned at the top of the product stack. This is due to TSMC not being able to provide a better high performance node than 28nm for so long so not really NVs fault that they had to do what is kind of like a tick-tock strategy to eek out performance and efficiency gains on the same node.

 

[martino]

As far as platform fanboyism goes I do not really have a preference, this gen I went PS4 + PC because I wanted a 1080p box for the TV and my PC is old. I just want to see solid ports across all platforms. If the PS4 can outperform an i5 + 280 (or above) I do not see that as a victory for the PS4 but as a failure for the developer because that should not be happening. Just like I do not see the i3 + 750Ti combo beating a PS4 as being a PC victory but a failure for the dev because the PS4 is more capable than that.

So you have absolute assumptions (no matter game genre) using theoretical metric not obtained the same way....
And games problems are only developer's fault ? no api one, marketing overhype, delay or other stuff that can be mixed in the equation in our complex world ?
I prefer field data result...you should too.

 

[Javin98]

I'm pretty relaxed actually... Unbiased?

This is what I said:

Pretty good I imagine, considering he set out to show, yet again that the incredibly stupid meme of 2 times performance coding to the METAL!!! bs console gamers love to spew is exactly that: bs.

That was my response to the troll post of someone calling out Alexandros for a thread in which he asked why the i3 and 750ti is outperforming or matching the PS4 in so many games.

In that very thread we had several posts from console gamers pointing out the to the metal myth. Not sure if the carmack tweet was pulled out, but I wouldn't be surprised if it had. It definitely WAS pulled out back on the Alienware Mini PC thread a few weeks ago though.

I think I might have over generalized a bit. It's not console gamers. It's SOME console gamers. But otherwise it was a statement of fact.

So just because you don't see the true intention of that thread, you can call the post a troll post? LOL, ok.... People who are not biased could easily see the point of that thread just by looking at the thread title. And to be fair, he was wrong. The 750 Ti is not performing at 60FPS when it is a complete match for the PS4 settings, is it? Although it is impressive that it could match the performance of the PS4 version.

 

[Kezen]

So just because you don't see the true intention of that thread, you can call the post a troll post? LOL, ok.... People who are not biased could easily see the point of that thread just by looking at the thread title. And to be fair, he was wrong. The 750 Ti is not performing at 60FPS when it is a complete match for the PS4 settings, is it? Although it is impressive that it could match the performance of the PS4 version.

To be more specific we should stipulate that it does match the PS4 in some games but that does not mean a 750ti is as capable. We would need an unlocked PS4 build to truly know.

It's also remarquable that a modest dual core with HT can run such a game at 30fps considering the high CPU overhead of DX11.
Imagine what it could do with DX12.

 

[martino]

Imagine what it could do with DX12.

There is a big penalty for now for the pc configuration and it will disappear in games to comes...All other optimization will mostly benefit the two configuration.

But they prefer to be confident in groundbreaking ones coming only for ps4.

 

[DiscoDave]

To be more specific we should stipulate that it does match the PS4 in some games but that does not mean a 750ti is as capable. We would need an unlocked PS4 build to truly know.

It's also remarquable that a modest dual core with HT can run such a game at 30fps considering the high CPU overhead of DX11.
Imagine what it could do with DX12.

Considering the console CPUs are worse then I think it's remakable they perform well. As for dx12 it's going to be interesting to see the performace gains, will look forward to the df article about it.

 

[Javin98]

To be more specific we should stipulate that it does match the PS4 in some games but that does not mean a 750ti is as capable. We would need an unlocked PS4 build to truly know.

It's also remarquable that a modest dual core with HT can run such a game at 30fps considering the high CPU overhead of DX11.
Imagine what it could do with DX12.

Yep, the 750 Ti is definitely not as capable. On paper, its specs are weaker than the PS4's GPU but it somehow manages to match the PS4 in some games and in a few cases, even beat it. And I'm interested to see what DX 12 could bring to PC's.

 

[VGA222]

Yep, the 750 Ti is definitely not as capable. On paper, its specs are weaker than the PS4's GPU but it somehow manages to match the PS4 in some games and in a few cases, even beat it.

I don't think that direct comparisons can be made between processors with different architectures based purely on specs.

 

[timetokill]

I don't think that's what anyone was saying at all. :/

The point is that these generalizations and attitudes towards PC and PC gamers are coming from a perspective of 'us vs them', not of genuine concern over the fair treatment of everybody and every platform. In fact, many of the people making these comments tend to be the exact same ones relishing opportunities to act smug about PS4's superiority in other DF threads. So yea - we can see what the real motivation is, and it has nothing to do with trying to do the right thing. It's just as the person described - a bully who has their fun taken away because a bigger bully came along and now they're complaining about being bullied themselves. I simply cant find it in myself to sympathize, sorry.

ding ding ding

 

[viveks86]

I think everyone needs to calm down and embrace the pyramid of shit

 

[DiscoDave]

I don't think that's what anyone was saying at all. :/

The point is that these generalizations and attitudes towards PC and PC gamers are coming from a perspective of 'us vs them', not of genuine concern over the fair treatment of everybody and every platform. In fact, many of the people making these comments tend to be the exact same ones relishing opportunities to act smug about PS4's superiority in other DF threads. So yea - we can see what the real motivation is, and it has nothing to do with trying to do the right thing. It's just as the person described - a bully who has their fun taken away because a bigger bully came along and now they're complaining about being bullied themselves. I simply cant find it in myself to sympathize, sorry.

If you sympathize or not it's still shit no matter how you twist it. Most of us on here are interested in the tech not the bullshit playground mentality of people who seem to wanna be a "bully" to attack another platform. It's annoying for anyone coming to read the thread to see there preferred platform get shit on because some one decides to troll. Then you get the stupid kind of crap durante posted about grassgate and the thread is just lost then. If stuff like that was kept to a none trolling comparison you wouldn't have as.many platform warriors shitting up the thread. Same for silly remarks about seeing no difference between versions or the impact it has when its about TECH and there is in fact a difference be it small or big.

Sorry for the rant just most DF threads it seems turn into a platform war.

 

[omonimo]

As much as I would like to wish it away, that sentiment has been uttered many times before (although you would have to be a pure idiot to think the cloud stuff), including the idea that GTAV was not written well to take advantage of many cored CPUs. People still think that GPU compute is some nth degree savior and/or advantage consoles have over PCs, inspite of it not making sense and having no evidence. People seem enjoy comparisons that look favorable toward their choice of console, but then come up with crazy crazy reasons why any comparison with PCs is incorrect and or useless.

I wish it wasn't real, but it is. Just go back in this thread, or look at the dying light thread, alexandros' junioring thread, or any DF comparison where the i3 set up ending up looking really favourable (all of them).

People are outwardly denying reality in these threads or writing off large differences as "being nothing of note." A little sarcasm shouldnt hurt their already twisted sense of reality.

Well I'm not referring to the sarcasm but of the attitude of someone. Still I'm not sure why we have to waste time to discuss how huge or not is this difference for the others.

 

[Etnos]

biggest difference so far is def the desert vegetation.

otherwise PS4 is quite close, besides the obvious AA / Aliasing difference.

I see some moments where the background is blurred a bit on the PS4, using a depth of field it looks like, while the PC version is clear in the background.

Looks like PS4 is Very High to High settings on most everything.

Having seen both in first hand, PC version light quality and effects are a substantial improvement over console. Not to mention the ever important solid 60fps, which has the biggest impact on gameplay.

Well I'm not referring to the sarcasm but of the attitude of someone. Still I'm not sure why we have to waste time to discuss how huge or not is this difference for the others.

sort of funny coming from you, as I've seen you passionately discuss how much "better" PS4 versions are compared to xbox one...

 

[Kageshinzo]

It's annoying for anyone coming to read the thread to see there preferred platform get shit on because some one decides to troll.

Well now you know how Xbox One fans feel.

 

[DiscoDave]

Well now you know how Xbox One fans feel.

Threads will always have some kind platform war. I was simply saying to a PC gamer that its just as bad in his words "bullying" even if you are doing it to a bully. This is starting to sound a bit silly and as a said it's playground stuff. I never come up with it, I simply said it's wrong doing it about any platform.

 

[Marlenus]

So you have absolute assumptions (no matter game genre) using theoretical metric not obtained the same way....
And games problems are only developer's fault ? no api one, marketing overhype, delay or other stuff that can be mixed in the equation in our complex world ?
I prefer field data result...you should too.

This is a thread about a AAA game that has released on the consoles and now PC, the comment was made under the general umbrella of AAA multiplatform titles. I did not realise I would need to state the bleeding obvious here that if the game does not require that much power to achieve its targets (like many indie games) then of course there are exceptions. Just like there are exceptions in the RTS and TBS genres because they are CPU heavy, although they are not that well represented on consoles anyway.

With the other obvious exception of a publisher releasing a game before it is ready then yes, pretty much all performance related problems are down to the developer / QA teams. It is their job to learn the APIs they are going to need and to do proper performance testing to make sure things are working correctly and performing well. When this does not happen and one or more versions of their game underperforms relative to the others it is an issue.

If a game runs fine on the PC but the console versions run worse than the roughly pc equivilent hardware that is a bad console verison, end of story. The reverse is also true where the console versions run fine but the PC version runs worse with roughly console spec hardware that is a bad PC version. There are also those games that run crap on all platforms too. None of those situations are good and I dislike bad ports regardless of the platform that port appears on.

 

[Javin98]

I don't think that direct comparisons can be made between processors with different architectures based purely on specs.

This, too. But the PS4 GPU should still be more capable in theory.

 

[Madness]

The hypocrisy is funny. Xbox One and PS4 are far more similar than PS4 and PC are, but it's telling seeing the differences be 'pushed aside' because PS4 is seen as the weakling console it also is. Face it, since day one both consoles have been underpowered, especially relative to the PC platform and industry.

You can't just say, why don't you limit the PC to match PS4 and then do comparisons. No you do whatever is max possible on the PC, even if only 1% of PC'ers can achieve it.

Xbox One is underpowered and will always statistically be worse than PS4 but somehow it's fair game to criticize it because it can't match PS4, but when it comes to PS4 being worse than PC, there is a myriad of excuses, etc. Either way, I was watching a PC stream of maxed game play at 4K and I was blown away by what the game looks like.

 

[Adry9]

I've created a visual aid.

Dead.