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[Americanmushroom]

Do we actually know anything apart from the fact that Kojima is no longer at Konami and got fired? All the hate for Konami here makes me cringe a little bit. How can you guys be so pissed when you have no idea Hat the hell was going on? For all we know Kojima took a shit on Konami's CEO's face while he was sleeping. Just joking of course but... All these hate messages here without any evidence of what happened or why... I thought people were smarter than that.

 

[UrbanDandy]

At this point, with the fan backlash as it is, and their decisions, Konami should cease being a video game company. I mean with them stating that Konami is hiring for new peeps for another Metal Gear, it's just not the same with the original team.

 

[JigglesBunny]

I convinced my girlfriend to playthrough PT with me and I honestly think I'll be too upset to enjoy it.

Sony really needs to rassel up the team from KojiPro, Del Toro and Reedus and dish out the cash for an exclusive horror game. This game was far too good to slip out of the world unfinished and dammit, as a Silent Hill fan, the abuse I got from Konami just needs some damned payoff.

 

[R3birthFl4me]

There's only one thing left to say :

In my restless dreams,
I see that town.

Silent Hill.

You promised me you'd take me
there again someday.
But you never did.

Well, I'm alone there now...
In our 'special place'...
Waiting for you...

Waiting for you to
come to see me.

But you never do.

 

[Roto13]

Confused? He is famous for one thing, being a one man army zombie killing machine.

You don't pay big money for a guy like that and then completely ignore what he is famous for. You get some unknown guy for that.

If this game had gone ahead, you would have been shooting tanks with rocket launchers. And that is before Kojima stepped in to make those tanks have legs.

It might have been glorious, but it would never have been the Silent Hill game people were thinking of.

What a completely ridiculous post. Actors can have range, you know.

 

[Minions]

Do we actually know anything apart from the fact that Kojima is no longer at Konami and got fired? All the hate for Konami here makes me cringe a little bit. How can you guys be so pissed when you have no idea Hat the hell was going on? For all we know Kojima took a shit on Konami's CEO's face while he was sleeping. Just joking of course but... All these hate messages here without any evidence of what happened or why... I thought people were smarter than that.

Lets use a little history;

Every single game Kojima has tried to work on recently that was not MGS related has been shut down. To the point where he has threatened to "retire" multiple times. He has stated many times he wants to leave MGS.

ZOE 3 was shut down.
Silent hills seemingly being shut down.

If he quite/was fired, it could be due to him not wanting to focus on MGS anymore. For all I know Silent Hills was a carrot on a stick to convince Kojima to continue work on MGS5.

 

[Americanmushroom]

Lets use a little history;

Every single game Kojima has tried to work on recently that was not MGS related has been shut down. To the point where he has threatened to "retire" multiple times. He has stated many times he wants to leave MGS.

ZOE 3 was shut down.
Silent hills seemingly being shut down.

If he quite/was fired, it could be due to him not wanting to focus on MGS anymore. For all I know Silent Hills was a carrot on a stick to convince Kojima to continue work on MGS5.

I know that's all a possibility and Konami sure sucks at creating a fanbase or keeping it. What I just mean is that we have no clue what the hell is going on and seeing some people jump to conclusions without knowing anything is a bit scary..

 

[SolicitorPirate]

My sympathies are with you Silent Hill fans. Welcome to the Konami pit of despair us Suikoden fans dwell in.

There is no escape

It's not that bad! I mean we got...those two terrible spin offs that nobody wanted.

Yeah ok, it's that bad.

 

[Justinh]

 

[Alex_Mexico]

Lets use a little history;

Every single game Kojima has tried to work on recently that was not MGS related has been shut down. To the point where he has threatened to "retire" multiple times. He has stated many times he wants to leave MGS.

ZOE 3 was shut down.
Silent hills seemingly being shut down.

If he quite/was fired, it could be due to him not wanting to focus on MGS anymore. For all I know Silent Hills was a carrot on a stick to convince Kojima to continue work on MGS5.

Sounds about right.

"Ok Kojima, geez. Here's $1 million for that 15 minute long PT demo and we totally promise you you'll get to work on the full game after you ship MGSV. Now please stop whining and get back to work!"

What astounds me is how Konami was able to drop SH after announcing it with 3 big names attached to it and, especially, after the unanimous positive response from everyone about the PT idea.

Poor Del Toro. He's cursed. I hope he gets to make his dream game soon.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

I know that's all a possibility and Konami sure sucks at creating a fanbase or keeping it. What I just mean is that we have no clue what the hell is going on and seeing some people jump to conclusions without knowing anything is a bit scary..

Put it this way- Konami certainly haven't been doing themselves any favors by not coming out with the truth.

Everything from removing Kojima's name to his works and now taking away PT.

If there is a PERFECTLY LEGIT reasons for all this then please tell me.

Because the first three don't exist, right?

My point is that they CAN make a good game without them. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have seen what Del Toro and Kojima could have whipped up. However, Kojima is not the end-all game director and there have been times in the past where games were made without Hideo Kojima, heavens forbid.

Name a single talent you would trust to make a good Silent Hill game left at Konami.

 

[Americanmushroom]

Put it this way- Konami certainly haven't been doing themselves any favors by not coming out with the truth.

Everything from removing Kojima's name to his works and now taking away PT.

If there is a PERFECTLY LEGIT reasons for all this then please tell me.

I can't tell you since I have no clue, and maybe konami can't tell because it's some confidential economic issue or something. Again we have no clue, me included, that was my point..

 

[supernormal]

More and more my suspicions grow that the source of the Kojima-Konami divorce was caused by Silent Hills.

Kojima was really excited about it and I bet he was going to work on that after MGSV but Konami wanted him again producing a new Metal Gear. Probably Kojima reached his limit now after upper management changed his plans from an already approved SH reboot to, again, do another MG. He said no and Konami would rather fire him than let the man that have given you so much make his first non-MG game in 10+ years.

After Kojima's fired Sony needs to grab him and Del Toro in a room, ask how much money and staff they'd need to create a new horror IP exclusively for PS4 and give it to them, get Norman Reedus, rent the motion capture studio when needed from Naughty Dog, and make the damn game.

Konami's dead to me after MGSV

Do it

 

[Tookay]

I can't tell you since I have no clue, and maybe konami can't tell because it's some confidential economic issue or something. Again we have no clue, me included, that was my point..

It's pretty easy to read between the lines here.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

I can't tell you since I have no clue, and maybe konami can't tell because it's some confidential economic issue or something. Again we have no clue, me included, that was my point..

Except we had plenty of clues.

 

[Americanmushroom]

Except we had plenty of clues.

Really, wich one? (Real question, not trying to be a dick)

 

[Disgraced]

Just let Tomm Hulett do it again, Konami.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

Really, wich one? (Real question, not trying to be a dick)

We already know from the past that Kojima and Konami has friction and that's due to him being forced to work on MGS while at the same time cancelling his other works (ZOE3).

They unceremoniously fired him and have begun scrubbing away his legacy and placed a gag order on him.

Everyone who was even still in the know, like Donna Burke, all have came out with statements to support Kojima. Not a single one would say "It's not what you think guys! Kojima is at fault!"

 

[Pyrrhus]

It's not even worth cursing them. Konami doesn't care. They are a giant company and at one time, one of their divisions made some great video games. But now the lizard-like old men who run the company have turned their jaundiced eyes away toward some easier prize. They don't do it with sadness, they don't do it with malice. It's just what the machine does.

For us, it's a dearly beloved hobby, even a way of life. For the people calling the shots at Konami, it was just one of many revenue streams they have decided to cull because others are more lucrative, less volatile, or probably both. There's no point in cursing them; they don't care and they won't read it. They absolutely do not care that you're not going to buy any games from them after MGS5. They aren't going to make any you would have bought anyway.

So we should all save ourselves the apoplexy and empty threats toward oblivious suits 3000 miles away and just move right on past anger to acceptance. It makes me sad, but I've been watching the pieces of the industry I like best either die or mutate into something I don't recognize or want for about a decade now. You almost get used to it, eventually.

Don't waste your time and energy rattling your cage fruitlessly. Yes, it's stupid and hateful and destructive what they're doing, but we can't any of us bring back 1999. Cherish the great games of old and the good times they produced. It's all you can do.

And now, a little appropriate mood music.

 

[AESplusF]

As disappointing as it is to see Silent Hills, Kojima, and Guillermo put into this situation..

I'm happy that Kojima will finally be getting the fuck out of there and I'm excited to see what he'll work on now that he isn't being tied down to a single IP.

silver linings man...

 

[Yoshi]

Name a single talent you would trust to make a good Silent Hill game left at Konami.

I think, if you are a fan of MGS (or other Konami franchises, but due to your anger I assume you are at least a MGS fan), it's unfair to claim no one of talent is left. Kojima wasn't making the MGS games on his own, he was just the studio head. Other people worked on the game too and if you liked past MGS games, chances are they did work that you liked. Had Miyamoto been thrown out of Nintendo after Ocarina of Time, no one would probably have guessed that Aonuma could best "his" OoT less than two years later in Majora's Mask. A good lead is very important, but disregarding the work and talent of all others involved in the process is unfair. And this is coming from someone who does not like MGS btw.

 

[GrayChild]

Just let Tomm Hulett do it again, Konami.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

I think, if you are a fan of MGS (or other Konami franchises, but due to your anger I assume you are at least a MGS fan), it's unfair to claim no one of talent is left. Kojima wasn't making the MGS games on his own, he was just the studio head. Other people worked on the game too and if you liked past MGS games, chances are they did work that you liked. Had Miyamoto been thrown out of Nintendo after Ocarina of Time, no one would probably have guessed that Aonuma could best "his" OoT less than two years later in Majora's Mask. A good lead is very important, but disregarding the work and talent of all others involved in the process is unfair. And this is coming from someone who does not like MGS btw.

Kojima isn't the only guy responsible for making all of these games yes but that's not the point.

If you have a name that you think can step up to the plate to take responsibility to Silent Hills I would like to hear it. It's not just about making a Silent Hill game, cause any developer can do that, but giving it a shot at greatness again.

 

[ponpo]

Does this free up money for more arcade Bemani?

 

[Dremark]

We already know from the past that Kojima and Konami has friction and that's due to him being forced to work on MGS while at the same time cancelling his other works (ZOE3).

When has Kojima ever stated that he was forced or even asked by Konami to pick MGS back up? I was under the impression every single time he let his team work on it without him as director he wasn't happy with the results and took over on his own (With the exception of Portable Ops which he didn't direct).

 

[ShockingAlberto]

More and more my suspicions grow that the source of the Kojima-Konami divorce was caused by Silent Hills.

Kojima was really excited about it and I bet he was going to work on that after MGSV but Konami wanted him again producing a new Metal Gear. Probably Kojima reached his limit now after upper management changed his plans from an already approved SH reboot to, again, do another MG. He said no and Konami would rather fire him than let the man that have given you so much make his first non-MG game in 10+ years.

After Kojima's fired Sony needs to grab him and Del Toro in a room, ask how much money and staff they'd need to create a new horror IP exclusively for PS4 and give it to them, get Norman Reedus, rent the motion capture studio when needed from Naughty Dog, and make the damn game.

Konami's dead to me after MGSV

This seems pretty unlikely.

Konami was incredibly happy with the response to P.T. There were internal talks about making P.T. its own thing, separate from Silent Hill.

Whatever happened with this game and Silent Hills probably has little to nothing to do with Konami Ebezeering over P.T. while Kojima is the trodden-upon Tiny Tim. It was probably simply that they no longer had a director for it, Silent Hill isn't exactly a hot property that can just go to any team because that strategy produced major bombs in the past, and their continued path into leaving retail game development.

I keep mentioning it and it keeps being ignored, but Konami had a number of major producer departures in the last few months. The producers behind Love Plus, which was a money-maker for Konami, left really abruptly about a week before this Kojima stuff broke. They're almost certainly restructuring out of games, so any conspiracy theory of what's happening here that is solely about Kojima and Konami is likely way off base.

 

[FeiTheVillain]

Wow, Konami. We can't have anything nice, can we?

 

[Yoshi]

Kojima isn't the only guy responsible for making all of these games yes but that's not the point.

If you have a name that you think can step up to the plate to take responsibility to Silent Hills I would like to hear it. It's not just about making a Silent Hill game, cause any developer can do that, but giving it a shot at greatness again.

I'm not the right person to answer this, because I think the MGS games are horrible, so I'm definitely not the one to name likely very talented people on the team, but honestly, I wouldn't have named Aonuma after Ocarina of Time either, since the marketing and press focus was on Miyamoto, so I dodn't know anything about Aonuma before MM. But let me give you another example based on what really happened: Yuji Naka left Sonic Team after Sonic 2006 - Naka, the guy who was marketed as the guy behind Sonic, the team leader for many many years, with main responsibility for excellent games like Sonic 2 and NiGHTS. Takashi Iizuka takes over and reboots Sonic with the best 3D concept they've yet had, Sonic Unleashed (the boost direction that was the basis for the great Colours and Generations game was taken in Unleashed).

I do not know who can be the Aonuma or Iizuka of Konami, but writing off the whole studio because of one man's departure is dealing the whole team so much disrespect that I, as someone who does not like their work, feel bad for them. But anyway, good candidates to take over Kojima's responsibilities would be people in positions such as director, lead game designer, lead level designer, concept & planning, this would be positions where usually very highly regarded people within the team do their work.

 

[pizzacat]

Wondering how many people going "Fuck Konami" are going to be throwing money their way when MGS comes out. Regardless of whats happening this might be their big cash out on AAA titles.

Ha dude you're super insane when you think I'm not buying MGS because of this

 

[Alex_Mexico]

This seems pretty unlikely.

Konami was incredibly happy with the response to P.T. There were internal talks about making P.T. its own thing, separate from Silent Hill.

Whatever happened with this game and Silent Hills probably has little to nothing to do with Konami Ebezeering over P.T. while Kojima is the trodden-upon Tiny Tim. It was probably simply that they no longer had a director for it, Silent Hill isn't exactly a hot property that can just go to any team because that strategy produced major bombs in the past, and their continued path into leaving retail game development.

I keep mentioning it and it keeps being ignored, but Konami had a number of major producer departures in the last few months. The producers behind Love Plus, which was a money-maker for Konami, left really abruptly about a week before this Kojima stuff broke. They're almost certainly restructuring out of games, so any conspiracy theory of what's happening here that is solely about Kojima and Konami is likely way off base.

Wait what? What's your source? I have none because mine was 100% speculative but yours is much more specific.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Wait what? What's your source? I have none because mine was 100% speculative but yours is much more specific.

*taps nose*

 

[Alex_Mexico]

*taps nose*

Sorry, you lost me there.

And even if that was true that only shows even more what a mess Konami management is right now. How about deciding to switch BEFORE announcing it as Silent Hills? Christ!

 

[KeRaSh]

Well, there goes the only horror game that I would have been willing to shit my way through. I was hyped as hell to see Reedus in this.
Feeling really guilty about buying MGSV now...

 

[cris7198]

Has anyone tweeted Adam Boyes or anyone at Sony to hire Kojima, Del Toro, Reedus and the team to make Not-Silent-Hills?

If this project is really dead, there's no reason they can't just go and make their own game, right?

I tweeted to Gio to save the project

 

[MarionCB]

I've been avoiding posting in this thread despite Silent Hills being one of my most anticipated games ever, because I hoped it wasn't true and also I thought a post entirely consisting of the word fuck repeated over and over again with Konami thrown in now and again would break some kind of gaf posting standard.

Yeah, but fuck Konami. I'm done with them.

 

[Coffee Dog]

I've been avoiding posting in this thread despite Silent Hills being one of my most anticipated games ever, because I hoped it wasn't true and also I thought a post entirely consisting of the word fuck repeated over and over again with Konami thrown in now and again would break some kind of gaf posting standard.

Yeah, but fuck Konami. I'm done with them.

Konami obviously initiated this breakup. They were done with you first.

 

[Dremark]

Konami obviously initiated this breakup. They were done with you first.

Pretty sure they still want his money.

 

[Tricky I Shadow]

Didn't really care about the game, but this still sucks.

 

[Booki]

Fuck you Konami. I'm done with your shit. But I guess congratulations are in order This is worse than all the EA debacles. Well done Konami, was it worth losing your fans over?

 

[Lirrik]

Konami has no idea what they are doing.

 

[foxuzamaki]

Having a thread made entirely of the words 'fuck' and 'konami' cant be a good pr image for them.

 

[EatChildren]

I keep mentioning it and it keeps being ignored, but Konami had a number of major producer departures in the last few months. The producers behind Love Plus, which was a money-maker for Konami, left really abruptly about a week before this Kojima stuff broke. They're almost certainly restructuring out of games, so any conspiracy theory of what's happening here that is solely about Kojima and Konami is likely way off base.

People like drama and tend to fixate on some imaginary emotional fallout/conspiracy between Konami and Kojima as the reason for all the ongoings at Konami, when the reality in business is usually far simpler and money driven; they don't give a fuck about investing in big budget games any more.

 

[Kurtofan]

Silent Hills will be released on pachinko, please don't port beg

 

[Sangetsu-II]

Having a thread made entirely of the words 'fuck' and 'konami' cant be a good pr image for them.

I'll add my part since I haven't done it in this whole thread but seriously, Fuck Konami.

 

[liquidtmd]

People like drama and tend to fixate on some imaginary emotional fallout/conspiracy between Konami and Kojima as the reason for all the ongoings at Konami, when the reality in business is usually far simpler and money driven; they don't give a fuck about investing in big budget games any more.

Indeed...it's just frustrating as in tandem with this argument Silent Hills would have made decent bank off the back of an insanely well received concept demo. SH is probably the second biggest name recognition franchise they have behind Metal Gear despite the games heyday being a fair way behind it. I remember reading glowing reviews of this demo in the mainstream press (one particularly in Metro, UK) and for a demo thats amazing.

Exclusivity with Sony or cross releasing on XB1 and PC would have brought in more. One genuinely good game of Silent Hills as a result could have meant the name / brand would have gained legitimacy again = meaning they could have slapped the name on Pachinko machines to their hearts content and made MOAR MONEY. They could have licenced the name 'Silent Hills' to IOS / Android developers to make crappy side apps to their hearts content.

They had one of the most recognisible single names in the games business (Kojima) under their wing, who had been on record to say he was genuinely enthused and invested in making a genuinely good SH experience, all serving to further the brand potential and....it's gone. Heck it's not a stretch to consider if Del Toro have had a good experience on Silent Hills then he may have been up to stay on board long term, adding further name dropping revenue potential

I agree entirely that Kojima / Konami conspiracies are silly. It's just that the money making potential here for them was considerable IMO - all they had to do was line up the ducks that were already in a line, but somethings gone amiss and their silence on the matter is just plain frustrating

 

[DieH@rd]

There should be an OT as a final goodbye. An OT to say, ''there once was a game that had so much promise".

If SW1313 did not get one, this one should not either [especially since the game is still not canceled, only cooperation between DelToro and Kojima is done].

 

[nuttyevans]

Too bad, this was one of the more promising things to look forward to.

Frig Konami.

 

[qualitydisc]

First Twin Peaks and now this. 2015 has been a horrible year to be a horror/suspense fan.

 

[Sangetsu-II]

Bad audio but here is Del Toro saying it's not gonna happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=19&v=_yrOBiz5jg8

 

[dan2026]

There was a game here.
Its gone now.