Avengers: Age of Ultron |OT| If you open this thread, you're an Avenger
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Triggerhappytel
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Yeah; I wasn't sure it was necessary but want to avoid any kind of spoilers (even though this was kind of obvious from the trailers).
Hope you enjoy it dude; it's perhaps the best MCU film best and definitely worth checking out, even if you don't care for the character.
Last question about this: Do I need to watch the first movie before watching TWS?
Nope. Disney does an excellent job at making these movies stand on their own. It helps to figure out some minor points in dialogue, but it's not necessary.
Triggerhappytel
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Not really. There are two particular returning characters who you might need to know a little bit about before watching (
Zola who was a Hydra scientist who defected to the Allied side after being taken prisoner
Bucky who was Cap's lifelong friend before he died in the first film, which deeply affects Cap
Hydra, a Nazi offshoot who experimented in advanced technology and human experimentation
frozen in ice for 70-odd years before he is resuscitated in the modern era
works for a government agency called SHIELD who are like a comic book equivalent of the FBI with unlimited budget
Nothing there is particularly spoiler-ish, but gives you a bit of background on some of the main characters and events which will be referenced in TWS.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Hell no. And you probably don't want to. The first Cap movie sucks donkey balls. Go watch a 3 minute youtube recap or something.
The Winter Soldier is the real deal.
I"ll be the minority voice here-I highly recommend watching the first Cap before Winter solider. Sure you don't NEED to-but all of Cap's motivations, pains and decisions mean so much more to you if you've seen the world that he came from in the first film.
It's either a love it or hate it movie. I personally love it.
It's either a love it or hate it movie. I personally love it.
Not really, I think most people are just kind of meh on it. It's not bad, but not very good either. It's just there.
Pretty much.
The first half of the movie takes it's time, and is kind of great, but the second half is like it's on fast forward to the Avengers. The stuff that would've been most interesting to watch is all shown in a shitty montage.
I don't think the first Cap is anything special but I still kind of cherished it's place in the movie sphere at the time. It felt less like a conventional super hero movie and more like a pulp WW2 action film without any semblance of irony. It's the genuine nature of the film that I found pretty refreshing when people usually expect heroes to be witty/brooding/snarky etc. so that there's something characteristically "unique" about them and I felt like the genuine lack of irony wholly defined how Evans is perfect in portraying a character like Cap. The character doesn't even have that much of an arc - he's just as much of a good guy at the beginning of the movie as he is at the end of it, and it's more about finding an outlet for expressing himself (something which is actually a bit of an undercurrent in Age of Ultron as well come to think of it).
I can see why a lot of people don't like it though. It's a movie that's very by-the-numbers when you get down to it. I still enjoy watching it though, and this scene is still one that I love a whole lot. It actually made me reconsider my entire surface-level dislike of Captain America as some sort of patriotic pastiche, and it's only 15 minutes into the movie. When I saw that I instantly figured "so that's why the character is still relevant and loved".
But yes The Winter Soldier is the jam.
I can see why a lot of people don't like it though. It's a movie that's very by-the-numbers when you get down to it. I still enjoy watching it though, and this scene is still one that I love a whole lot. It actually made me reconsider my entire surface-level dislike of Captain America as some sort of patriotic pastiche, and it's only 15 minutes into the movie. When I saw that I instantly figured "so that's why the character is still relevant and loved".
But yes The Winter Soldier is the jam.
I disagree. After TWS, they justify much more of what was crammed into TFA so much that the old criticism of the movie just being a setup for Avengers doesn't hold up anymore. TWS couldn't be the same movie without many of the details in TFA.
Spoiler tags since someone hasn't seen it:
-the man out of time dynamic
-The origins of Hydra
-The origins of SHIELD with Peggy Carter
-Steve's relationship with Bucky and his death
-the context for Steve's ideological disagreement with Fury
-The origins of Hydra
-The origins of SHIELD with Peggy Carter
-Steve's relationship with Bucky and his death
-the context for Steve's ideological disagreement with Fury
The Winter Soldier retroactively changed how I felt about The First Avenger as a movie. Doesn't change issues with pacing but it justifies things that seemed more extemporaneous in their inclusion at first or underdeveloped. .
I like both Captain America movies more than the Avengers movies.
Captain America has heart in it, and really has an arc for the main character. Winter Soldier is one of those rare sequels that actually adds to the original without following the same formula and is it's own thing, but still a great continuation of the character.
Captain America has heart in it, and really has an arc for the main character. Winter Soldier is one of those rare sequels that actually adds to the original without following the same formula and is it's own thing, but still a great continuation of the character.
Indeed, more is set up than just getting Cap to the future. My issue isn't that they crammed too much in, but that too much was skipped over altogether. It gives them room to show more flashbacks in the future, but it still makes Cap1 feel like two-thirds of a movie.
Great perspective and I completely agree, especially with the bolded.
I never really could get behind the idea of modern day Cap until I understood the hook of his character after seeing the movie. And while seeing an earnest good-hearted hero without irony in a WWII period is a lot of good clean family fun were the good guys are good and the bad guys are bad, to have the sequel suddenly put that same character in a way more morally ambiguous world is so compelling. Marvel following that development to conclude with Civil War was a brilliant move for the character.
If only DC would have taken some notes then maybe MoS wouldn't have been so divisive regarding how Superman was handled.
triplestation
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OK movie but much of it feels like filler
Ultron was funny
Ultron was funny
ZackieChan
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Definitely. I was lukewarm on Cap 1 when I saw it in the theater, but I loved it after rewatching it after seeing TWS. Now that you've put this feeling into words, it all makes sense.
ChasingComets
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Which was the weirdest thing, to see Ultron being basically David Spader, in all his sarcastic and witty-quips glory. All the trailers made you think he was going to be a downright freaky deathbot.
Loved the movie, seriously though. I think people are just let down because there was so much potential going into this to be a really definitive cape-movie, but what we got was basically Avengers 1: Here we go all over again. (Which I argue isn't terrible in itself.) Whedon's has the habit of literally translating the goofiness and over-seriousness of comic books to the screen (which isn't what people were expecting, but which practically defines the MCU DNA now) and he's really improved in directing the action sequences over Avengers 1. The Hulkbuster and Hulk beatdown was fucking glorious. Hawkeye finally given some proper justice to his character, and Mjolnir is the best running joke in a Marvel film so far.
But I agree with most of the criticism that AoU was too much of a setup for phase 3, instead of exploring itself and standing on it's own plot.
There was so much more that could be done with this storyline, and with Ultron. Nothing significant came out of Tony creating Ultron, nor of Ultron's turn to evil, which took all of 2 minutes. Ultron never really feel particularly powerful enough to stand up to the Avengers, especially since it ends in another army fight. The one time the team loses is because they implode on themselves. What happened to the self-evolving robot that could dominate everyone? Twins were great (silly Russian accent notwithstanding) but underdeveloped, and then they went on to kill Quickass before anything was really done with him, because they needed another death and he was the only expendable one. So much of it feels like setup for Civil War, which at this rate is going to basically be Avengers AoU: Part 2, what with Cap's new team and all.
ChasingComets
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Everything? But if you strip it to only the essential, then Winter Soldier.
But watch EVERYTHING. The phase two movies are a much better collection than the phase 1 stuff.
ArtHands
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Only Winter Soldier.
I agree with the first paragraph. The film would benefit from more breathing space, because there are quite a lot of good idea's here that do not reach climax because of the density. I would not use the word mess, since even my parents and friends who only have seen one or two MCU films could follow it quite perfectly, but the script is a bit too busy/dense with uneven pacing. But the actual character were done very well and made use of a lot of story threads from all preceding movies.
As for the action, I highly disagree. This one is behind WS but better than any MCU film in terms of action to me. Some of the collaborations kicked ass and especially Thor and Cap did kickass moves frequently. Hulk vs IM is one of MCU's best fights imo. The action is more personal, grounded and close quarters in Winter Soldier, but I also love the more larger than life mass destruction and teamwork type of action displayed here very much. The intro did dissapoint me a bit though, actionwise. That battle was a bit weak I think. Also due to some distracting CGI. But the rest was awesome to me.
Shuggananas
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I'd say TWS. Then GotG and Thor 2 because gems.
Nightengale
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First half of The First Avenger imo, is up there with Iron Man's first-half. In fact, I personally favour the origin story segment of Capt. The pulpiness, and the sense of struggle, tenacity & why he wanted to be felt better captured to me than Stark realising his bombs are bad.
And I effing love the 'birth of Captain America rescue mission.' How it leads up to that, with Capt's frustration of his own situation, how it establishes the foundation for his crew, his meeting with Red Skull, and that final march was great.
Sure, second half was rushed, but despite that, I still feel like TFA holds a very special place in the overall MCU place. How it's disconnected from the modern day really adds the depth of Capt's current place in the modern times, and it really strongly establishes the stream for how Capt is, as a whole.
And I effing love the 'birth of Captain America rescue mission.' How it leads up to that, with Capt's frustration of his own situation, how it establishes the foundation for his crew, his meeting with Red Skull, and that final march was great.
Sure, second half was rushed, but despite that, I still feel like TFA holds a very special place in the overall MCU place. How it's disconnected from the modern day really adds the depth of Capt's current place in the modern times, and it really strongly establishes the stream for how Capt is, as a whole.
Like others said, WS is an essential one. And it makes Cap that much more awesome as a character. Also Romanov and direction Fury get to shine there.
I do reccommend IM3 though. It is a polarizing film, but I think his character progression is quite important for his motivations in this film (I said why in the spoiler thread, for those wondering why this is my stance). And I also think IM3 is the best of the three IM films, but that is not a popular opinion I might add.
Thor 2 is kind of irrelevant to this one, but I think it plays a larger role in the future for MCU. That one is the worst MCU film though. So I'd skip it for now and only watch when you are bored and want an easy action flick later on. Thor and Loki are great, the rest not so much. It has some neat moments and works if you view MCU as a big on going series, but as an individual film it is quite bad.
GOTG is not relevant to this one (some very distant indirect ties).
I loved watching it as a prequel after seeing the second Cap, since that one made me invested with the character. Second half was rushed indeed, but still entertaining. First half was great though.
Triggerhappytel
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Only Winter Soldier. GotG has no relationship to it at all (outside of the stones) and Iron Man 3 has no relationship to it at all. I haven't seen Thor 2.
Certinty
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Thought it was better than the first but I wouldn't say it's anything better than good.
Some good fight scenes and Ultron was a great villain for the most part but the humour still felt hit and miss and the story wasn't exactly out of the ordinary.
If anything the end just got me more hyped for Civil War next year. Maybe with the exception of one or two, the Captain America movies are the only Marvel movies released in the last 8 or so years that I consider great.
Also the 3D in this movie is absolute thrash, would definitely recommend seeing it in 2D where the colours look far better and what not.
Some good fight scenes and Ultron was a great villain for the most part but the humour still felt hit and miss and the story wasn't exactly out of the ordinary.
If anything the end just got me more hyped for Civil War next year. Maybe with the exception of one or two, the Captain America movies are the only Marvel movies released in the last 8 or so years that I consider great.
Also the 3D in this movie is absolute thrash, would definitely recommend seeing it in 2D where the colours look far better and what not.
This would be one of the biggest letdowns in movie history. There is 6-7 years of buildup and anticipation to this confrontation.
I still have faith in the Russo brothers.
No way. The Infinity War climax will just be Thanos standing at the top of the ruined Avengers Tower commanding a new Chitauri army along with a revived Ultron army. Why make new assets when you can recycle existing ones?!
Thanks! I'll be watching TWS tonight. Ive seen & own all the Phase 2 movies, but my schedule has been crazy this week and I've only got watch Thor 2 so far.
Freedom = $1.05
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I preordered my tickets 2 months ago so i believe it. I wanted to ensure that i had my seats locked down in the local premium theater and wanted to catch it on the first weekend.
Shuggananas
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I gave in and bought all the preceding movies last night after work. Now to watch them all to get ready for the new one. Technically I only need to see the 3 recent ones but I'm going to watch them all for a refresher and to let some of the craze over the new one die down. Hopefully by the time I'm back from a business tip next week and have finished getting caught up the local theater won't be packed on the weekend.
Marion Cobretti
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I've been asking this for over a week now, and no answers. But based on all the impressions, kinda seems like it's been addressed.
But any ways, for those who have seen it...
How's this rank in terms of reply value?
Considering its the biggest stop gap til phase 3, I want to be able to rewatched this a whole bunch til phase 3 arrives.
But any ways, for those who have seen it...
How's this rank in terms of reply value?
Considering its the biggest stop gap til phase 3, I want to be able to rewatched this a whole bunch til phase 3 arrives.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
Saw it last Friday. I did enjoy it, but it didn't live up to the hype for me (And I wasn't even that hyped.) Ultron was an awful villain, when he was introduced he was intimidating, but later on was just made to look weak. The constant jokes were unfunny and annoying (Only laughed at Hawkeye in that alley after Quicksilver took SW and said catch up oldman). The character death was disappointing too.
Would rate it a 3/5.
Would rate it a 3/5.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
Low imo, I've wanted to rewatch most of the MCU movies after seeing them in cinemas but I've no motivation to rewatch this yet.
It also pisses on Agents of Shield.
I'm strongly of the opinion that Age of Ultron is not a great entry in the MCU. You end up thinking, why they even made this movie.
I went in without being hyped, and came out rather disappointed. Don't hype yourself for Age of Ultron.
*I might change my opinion during a rewatch. I did that years after The Avengers came out. Only last week did I think the first Avengers were pretty good.
This guy hit it on the nail. Nobody in their right mind would ever deny this.
YesNOnoNOYes
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Very replayable. Good action movie, with fast paced quips and humor... And loads of character!
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Only slightly messy at parts in terms of pacing and plot tightness. But very replayable nonetheless.
I would say it is a replayable film. Only because the pace is high with a lot of action and funny quips. Really, it is one of the strengths of the movie.
Must more replayable than The Avengers. Yet Age of Ultron is a worse movie than the original. Go read duckroll's post I quoted for that.
I think I'll rewatch not because of quality reasons but more because it's fast paced while being quite messily plotted, which can lead to missed things.
SomedayTheFire
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A rewatch, from me, definitely would not be because I enjoyed it so much. I would rewatch it because the editing and cutting was so fast and loose it's easy to lose your bearings within all of the sub plots. The film gets muddy. Would rewatch to pick on things I missed.
I didnt really like it that much. The Ultron thing was done so quick. They build him in five minutes, turns evil in 30 seconds, introduces himself, then everyone knows what's up and what he's about.
The plot was just by the numbers, almost a repeat of the first film with less humour. Watching impossible men in an impossible world get thrown around, where flesh is stronger than concrete, and you can barely tell what is happening, is becoming less interesting to me. And the whole fight the robot/chitauri army thing is really dull(at least the first avengers had those giant leviathan things).
I much prefer something like the Winter Soldier, felt much more tension in that, that thing's were at stake that Captain America could fail. The action was much more down to earth, the lift scene and highway scene are works of art.
The plot was just by the numbers, almost a repeat of the first film with less humour. Watching impossible men in an impossible world get thrown around, where flesh is stronger than concrete, and you can barely tell what is happening, is becoming less interesting to me. And the whole fight the robot/chitauri army thing is really dull(at least the first avengers had those giant leviathan things).
I much prefer something like the Winter Soldier, felt much more tension in that, that thing's were at stake that Captain America could fail. The action was much more down to earth, the lift scene and highway scene are works of art.
TwoDurans
"Never said I wasn't a hypocrite."
How?
New clip (slight spoilers)
http://youtu.be/zsdk-AnkVks
Hawkguy is a fucking BOSS.
Can't wait till tomorrow!!!
http://youtu.be/zsdk-AnkVks
Hawkguy is a fucking BOSS.
Can't wait till tomorrow!!!
I've seen the film twice already so it doesn't ruin anything for me but why the hell do they continue to release so many clips, that clip has some slight spoiler dialogue in there for the latter half of the film, and also has one of Hawkeye's best lines in the film. Ridiculous.
shira
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