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Playtonic unveils Yooka-Laylee (Banjo Kazooie successor) [Kickstarter LIVE - Funded]
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Kyleripman
Member
I have a feeling/hope that this will be funded really quickly.
That new video! This is gonna be great.
That new video! This is gonna be great.
I'm not "blaming them" as in "I hate you you suck", it's more a piece of friendly because I like them and want them to do well
Having a "early work in progress footage, not representative blablabla" is very commonplace in game videos and it's for a reason.
The video is also on youtube where people don't read text and are not here to, and anyhow it's a video that people could be watching without sound for a variety of reasons and miss out on the commentary, also because it's the internet this footage has most likely already been made into gifs/webms that are being retweeted, reblogged, tumblr'd without any form of context.
I think this is an especially valid point in the case of this footage because it already looks very good. It has proper animations, meshes, textures, etc, so it doesn't instantly look "work in progress", as would for example footage of a character inside an untextured map made up of placeholder blocks, filmed in engine with debug texts and gizmos everywhere.
So I think it's possible, seeing this footage, to think "hey, it looks nice and all, but it's a little empty". Because it is. And as you pointed out, it's normal that it is, because it's very early
But if you don't know that, then just like the guy you answered to, you could think "well this yooka-laylee game looks nice but empty".
Again, we could both moan about how people should do some research etc, but that wouldn't change the fact that if you wanna reach people through the internet you've gotta be careful of that, and when it just means putting up a short disclaimer on the footage, I think it's such a small step to take for Playtonic that they'd be wrong not to.
It's not playtonic's fault, one can consider it a sad state of affairs, but it is the truth, and if those things can become a source of misunderstanding and bad buzz for big AAA games with their monstrous marketing bucks then surely it can also be for small devs, so if it's so easy to prevent they should do it like everyone else.
IbizaPocholo
NeoGAFs Kent Brockman
Awesome!
AzureTranquility95
Banned
You make it sound like a bad thing. How DARE you.
The Spyro games are quality imo.
I meant in regards to what they're trying to do (to succeed BK).
HUELEN10
Member
Well, it's not a good thing. Whatever, the game looks boring, but charming, they are pandering with the logo, and it has David Wise; of course it gets my money!
That new IGN video looks great. The Yooka roll while Laylee runs on top is really cool, the sign saying he knows more about FPS games than he does about these is clever, and the music is incredible. The story about Mayles working on Kinect Sports clothing was pretty depressing, though, wasted potential! At least now there's Playtonic.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Maybe it's just me, but the world looks so sterile. There doesn't appear much in the way of visual feedback when you kill enemies either.
I get it's very very early, but still really off putting.
pretty sure they will just ship it the way it is after 3 months of development
bryanee
Member
Gone already?
AtomicShroom
Member
I'm cautiously optimistic, but with a strong emphasis on cautiously.
I understand that this is very far from the finished product, but I can't help but feel that some things won't change unless we point them out. So let me point them out:
- Everything sort of looks bland and generic. The characters need something more. The shorts, backpack, and necklace on Banjo went a long way in adding much-needed personality and uniqueness to the character. The levels looks like randomly pieced together set pieces with no rhyme or reason, no cohesive theme or purpose. It looks like something that was made in a home-user version of a level editor.
- Much love for Grant Kirkhope and David Wise, but the two have a very wildly different composition style, and I feel that their compositions (the ones we've heard so far at least) are too jarringly different in style to exist in the same game. It's like they're both composing separately in their own corner and not talking to each other. The Kirkhope songs sound like Banjo, and the Wise songs sound like DK. They're not the same game and they don't belong together. The two need to establish a common distinct musical style for the game, with clear boundaries of what fits and what doesn't. Okami had 4 different composers, yet all the songs felt like they belonged to the same game. I'm really not feeling this here.
- The animations/controls feel really loose and lacking in oompf. I know, it's early. But still.
That's pretty much my gripes with what we've seen. Everything else looks really neat!
I understand that this is very far from the finished product, but I can't help but feel that some things won't change unless we point them out. So let me point them out:
- Everything sort of looks bland and generic. The characters need something more. The shorts, backpack, and necklace on Banjo went a long way in adding much-needed personality and uniqueness to the character. The levels looks like randomly pieced together set pieces with no rhyme or reason, no cohesive theme or purpose. It looks like something that was made in a home-user version of a level editor.
- Much love for Grant Kirkhope and David Wise, but the two have a very wildly different composition style, and I feel that their compositions (the ones we've heard so far at least) are too jarringly different in style to exist in the same game. It's like they're both composing separately in their own corner and not talking to each other. The Kirkhope songs sound like Banjo, and the Wise songs sound like DK. They're not the same game and they don't belong together. The two need to establish a common distinct musical style for the game, with clear boundaries of what fits and what doesn't. Okami had 4 different composers, yet all the songs felt like they belonged to the same game. I'm really not feeling this here.
- The animations/controls feel really loose and lacking in oompf. I know, it's early. But still.
That's pretty much my gripes with what we've seen. Everything else looks really neat!
LonelyGreyWolf
Banned
Yepp, it's early. The animations are terrible too, it looks so weird every time he jumps. But this is a game far, far from begin complete. The only reason they're already showing footage is most likely because of the Kickstarter, else they would have waited before showing footage, I'm sure.
Probably to fix the green flickering; I imagine it'll be reuploaded soon.
LonelyGreyWolf
Banned
You're basing all this off of like a minute of veeeery early footage and like ten seconds of two different tunes?
What.
Rushersauce
Banned
Reading your comments the only load I can expect from you is a load of shit.
semiconscious
Member
ya think?
...i appreciate the fact that people want this to be good, but, damn! - people seeing 'awesome!!!' in these brief trailers is killing me. i mean, c'mon: what exactly are we seeing here that we haven't already seen a whole lot of before?
...Kyleripman
Member
I still can't believe we get Wise AND Kirkhope.
Yeah, all the classics were made in 3 months.
Polish is what made Rare and Nintendo games so great. And you don't polish at the start.
Labrynian Rebel
Member
It would be cool if they had clothing based around the level they are in at the time.
Considering this is 3 months into development, the level design appears to be more of a test level to try out the basic game mechanics rather than something the final game would have:
However, since this is a Kickstarter game, they also prettied it up with graphical assets so that people can see what a level would look like.
The final levels will probably have much more going on like the Banjo games and DK64.
However, since this is a Kickstarter game, they also prettied it up with graphical assets so that people can see what a level would look like.
The final levels will probably have much more going on like the Banjo games and DK64.
Beelzebufo
Banned
At least as far as the character designs go, I wouldn't be surprised if they were near-finished since they were kept secret for a while.
I think we can all agree with this, at least in its current state.
Messofanego
Banned
Hi chaps. Andy from Playtonic here.
Your assessment is correct - what you see today is the result of just three months work (honestly, it's amazing how fast this has progressed) and most of it will be unrecognizable compared to the final product - in a good way.
We focused on nailing the characters and tone the best we could in that time. The environment is very much a 'sandbox' at this point, though the themes are representative of what we're going for.
In an ideal world we'd have filled that jungle with tons of quirky characters, dazzling collectibles and interesting enemies but... time.
I've only been here a few months and I'm a Rare outsider and honestly, these guys are going to nail this. They create this stuff in their sleep. If I wasn't here, I'd be backing lots of cash
Your assessment is correct - what you see today is the result of just three months work (honestly, it's amazing how fast this has progressed) and most of it will be unrecognizable compared to the final product - in a good way.
We focused on nailing the characters and tone the best we could in that time. The environment is very much a 'sandbox' at this point, though the themes are representative of what we're going for.
In an ideal world we'd have filled that jungle with tons of quirky characters, dazzling collectibles and interesting enemies but... time.
I've only been here a few months and I'm a Rare outsider and honestly, these guys are going to nail this. They create this stuff in their sleep. If I wasn't here, I'd be backing lots of cash
writing about how whats clearly a prettied up test level lacks cohesion like this thing is shipping out tomorrow is pretty darn silly, so is making a judgement call on the entire soundtrack based off of 12 seconds of music.
i understand not wanting to be let down or giving into blind hype, but come on
IGN didn't mention it in that video, but Steve Burke is also composing music for the game. If you don't know who he is, he composed the amazing music for Kameo: Elements of Power and did a few songs for Nuts & Bolts. He also collaborated with Robin Beanland for the soundtrack of Fable Heroes.
AzureTranquility95
Banned
wow looks like bubsy 3d ... hope nintendo improves this before release or i wont be playing!
You just compared a legendary video game(even if it's a beta level) to an infamous piece of shovelware
What place am I in again
I think I need some water and to lie dow
Beelzebufo
Banned
He specifically mentions he's bringing it up now in case it's not already fixed. And like j said, stuff like the character design and soundttack is unlikely to be fixed without input, yeah?
See? Espio's post mentions how they've been working a ton on theme and character designs, but I'd agree that the character designs could definitely use some work, and the theme is hurt by the soundtrack right now.
superNESjoe
Member
Unless my sarcasm detector is broken, I do believe you've missed the joke entirely.
ultrazilla
Gold Member
Hi chaps. Andy from Playtonic here.
Your assessment is correct - what you see today is the result of just three months work (honestly, it's amazing how fast this has progressed) and most of it will be unrecognizable compared to the final product - in a good way.
We focused on nailing the characters and tone the best we could in that time. The environment is very much a 'sandbox' at this point, though the themes are representative of what we're going for.
In an ideal world we'd have filled that jungle with tons of quirky characters, dazzling collectibles and interesting enemies but... time.
I've only been here a few months and I'm a Rare outsider and honestly, these guys are going to nail this. They create this stuff in their sleep. If I wasn't here, I'd be backing lots of cash
Thanks for jumping in mate!
I'm gonna back this as soon as the kickstarter goes live. I have such fond memories of the Donkey Kong Country SNES days, Banjo and Kazooie along with James Bond and Perfect Dark.
Cheers!
superNESjoe
Member
Hi chaps. Andy from Playtonic here.
Your assessment is correct - what you see today is the result of just three months work (honestly, it's amazing how fast this has progressed) and most of it will be unrecognizable compared to the final product - in a good way.
We focused on nailing the characters and tone the best we could in that time. The environment is very much a 'sandbox' at this point, though the themes are representative of what we're going for.
In an ideal world we'd have filled that jungle with tons of quirky characters, dazzling collectibles and interesting enemies but... time.
I've only been here a few months and I'm a Rare outsider and honestly, these guys are going to nail this. They create this stuff in their sleep. If I wasn't here, I'd be backing lots of cash
Sounds about what we should expect. Can't wait to see more!
Hi chaps. Andy from Playtonic here.
Your assessment is correct - what you see today is the result of just three months work (honestly, it's amazing how fast this has progressed) and most of it will be unrecognizable compared to the final product - in a good way.
We focused on nailing the characters and tone the best we could in that time. The environment is very much a 'sandbox' at this point, though the themes are representative of what we're going for.
In an ideal world we'd have filled that jungle with tons of quirky characters, dazzling collectibles and interesting enemies but... time.
I've only been here a few months and I'm a Rare outsider and honestly, these guys are going to nail this. They create this stuff in their sleep. If I wasn't here, I'd be backing lots of cash
I'm incredibly satisfied with what it has been shown and much more knowing that this has only been a 3 months work.I see and feel the huge potential this has and I'm starving for playing it and helping it become bigger,larger and better with the kickstarter.
Hi chaps. Andy from Playtonic here.
Your assessment is correct - what you see today is the result of just three months work (honestly, it's amazing how fast this has progressed) and most of it will be unrecognizable compared to the final product - in a good way.
We focused on nailing the characters and tone the best we could in that time. The environment is very much a 'sandbox' at this point, though the themes are representative of what we're going for.
In an ideal world we'd have filled that jungle with tons of quirky characters, dazzling collectibles and interesting enemies but... time.
I've only been here a few months and I'm a Rare outsider and honestly, these guys are going to nail this. They create this stuff in their sleep. If I wasn't here, I'd be backing lots of cash
No problem, I'm pretty sure everyone here knows that
Can't wait to see what it looks like in a year's time, and I'm sure you're impatient too
It's not just "not giving in to hype", it's also cool that people point out what's missing, that way the playtonic peeps reading this can get the feedback even though most of this is very likely already in the pipe.
Hi chaps. Andy from Playtonic here.
Your assessment is correct - what you see today is the result of just three months work (honestly, it's amazing how fast this has progressed) and most of it will be unrecognizable compared to the final product - in a good way.
We focused on nailing the characters and tone the best we could in that time. The environment is very much a 'sandbox' at this point, though the themes are representative of what we're going for.
In an ideal world we'd have filled that jungle with tons of quirky characters, dazzling collectibles and interesting enemies but... time.
I've only been here a few months and I'm a Rare outsider and honestly, these guys are going to nail this. They create this stuff in their sleep. If I wasn't here, I'd be backing lots of cash
Really excited to see more. Best of luck to you guys!
Hi chaps. Andy from Playtonic here.
Your assessment is correct - what you see today is the result of just three months work (honestly, it's amazing how fast this has progressed) and most of it will be unrecognizable compared to the final product - in a good way.
We focused on nailing the characters and tone the best we could in that time. The environment is very much a 'sandbox' at this point, though the themes are representative of what we're going for.
In an ideal world we'd have filled that jungle with tons of quirky characters, dazzling collectibles and interesting enemies but... time.
I've only been here a few months and I'm a Rare outsider and honestly, these guys are going to nail this. They create this stuff in their sleep. If I wasn't here, I'd be backing lots of cash
This right here, is exactly what I assumed and hoped to hear.
AtomicShroom
Member
Have you seen the IGN video? There's much more than ten seconds of music to be heard in there. Kirkhope is composing like it's a Banjo game, and Wise is composing like it's a DK game.
It doesn't fit. They need to talk to eachother and come up with a cohesive style. Either Kirkhope needs to Wisen up (har har) a bit or Wise needs to sprinkle some Kirkhope in his jams, or both.
Mango The Magician
Banned
It ironically enough actually looks better than Bubsy even in a test room.
Also, I'll never get Gafs love for WW, it's great but "legendary" ehh.
mhayes86
Member
Hi chaps. Andy from Playtonic here.
Your assessment is correct - what you see today is the result of just three months work (honestly, it's amazing how fast this has progressed) and most of it will be unrecognizable compared to the final product - in a good way.
We focused on nailing the characters and tone the best we could in that time. The environment is very much a 'sandbox' at this point, though the themes are representative of what we're going for.
In an ideal world we'd have filled that jungle with tons of quirky characters, dazzling collectibles and interesting enemies but... time.
I've only been here a few months and I'm a Rare outsider and honestly, these guys are going to nail this. They create this stuff in their sleep. If I wasn't here, I'd be backing lots of cash
Glad to hear and I can't wait to see more! I'll be jumping on the Kickstarter as soon as it's up.
Dylan Sexbang
Banned
Game looks like cute, cartoony fun which is one of my weaknesses. Wish that IGN video wasn't flashing green. Hopefully when it comes back. When is the kickstarter going up?