darkhunger
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But modern Daredevil came in 1979 and modern Batman started in 1986
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Marvel's Daredevil |OT| Legally Blind *spoilers for all of S1*
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CaptainofIndustry
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But modern Daredevil came in 1979 and modern Batman started in 1986
I like you.
You marvelous bastard :lol
Manmademan
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Punisher is a really bad comparison. He's not like batman at all.
There's a ton of heroes who are closer though- BP is an obvious one, plus daredevil, moon knight, night hawk, night thrasher, and a few others that I'm blanking on.
Finally got around to Daredevil this morning, at it all day, dinner break now then back to the last couple of episodes - holy shit, great stuff. I think I'm safe in saying Daredevil is the best live action entertainment Marvel have released this month, making up for the incredible disappointment of Age of Ultron. Some amazing fight scenes sprinkled in throughout the season so far.
Summer Haze
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Just finished watching the last episode. This is the first superhero show I've watched and I enjoyed it a lot more than I thought I would. Although, I gotta say, I was not fond of Vincent D'Onofrio in this. Visually he fit the role perfectly, and he's been great in everything else I've seen him in, but his acting and dialogue delivery in this show just came across as so cheesy and really stuck out to me.
If only James Gandolfini were still alive. I think he would have been a great fit for Fisk.
If only James Gandolfini were still alive. I think he would have been a great fit for Fisk.
Get out
Nah, I'm good. I didn't enjoy the film.
I like D'Onofrio's portrayal of Fisk.
If you didn't know anything about the criminal side to him, you'd think he's just a shy guy that cares about people. He isn't your usual mobster-type.
Fisk also seems to really believe in what he's doing as a way to clean up Hell's Kitchen. The duality with Matt's different method was done well.
If you didn't know anything about the criminal side to him, you'd think he's just a shy guy that cares about people. He isn't your usual mobster-type.
Fisk also seems to really believe in what he's doing as a way to clean up Hell's Kitchen. The duality with Matt's different method was done well.
Hated him. I thought his acting was horrible, his lines emotionless and corny as fuck. Then again, I felt this way about pretty much everyone in the show. Lines like "I want things to go back the way they were" "we can't ever go back" suuuper cringe/sus relarionships between Fisk/the cell phone guy and Matt/foggy. Many homovertones. I hope this show isn't picked up for another season, but I fear it will be.
Yeah, I was disappointed by the "homovertones" as well. If Fisk and Wesley were in an actual relationship, it would have only made the show even better. Matt and Foggy too, now that you mention it.
Jean Valjean
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No,no,no... you didn't understand me. Sorry, maybe I explained myself poorly. I'm on Vincent D'Onofrio's side, loved his Fisk, and also Wesley. So I want to see Fisk strangling Karen next season.
He will make her pay for what she did to his friend.
Couldn't agree more. But the way the scripts were written pretty much confirms that as canon anyway. I wish more shows were ballsy enough to try and do something like this.
I also didn't like how Fisk had fatstrength. Daredevil like floppy ninja kicks and Fisk just goes into I need cheeseburger mode. They didn't bother explaining how he kicks so much ass, which was annoying.
I have bad news already, friend...
Shin Kojima
Banned
Absolutely fantastic. The highlight of the show.
Because you didn't like it people who liked it shouldn't get a second season to one well reviewed and successful show?
I really don't like his acting here. The way he talks sounds bad to me, as if it's someone trying to imitate some stereotypical sophisticated and intelligent sounding type, but they've never heard sophisticated and intelligent before so they just talk how they think it would sound. Maybe that's what they were going for, I dunno, but it sounds terrible in any context I try to apply to it.
As for the character itself, and I don't really know a whole lot about Kingpin, the character seems like a big angry baby that throws a tantrum when something doesn't go his way. I dunno what my expectations were or what exactly they were going for but I audibly laughed the first time he made a violent outburst.
I know I sound like a bummer here but I do like the show for various reasons, this just isn't a part I like.
Moff
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absolutely fantastic, stole every scene he was in. I immediately recognized him as gomer pyle from full metal jacket, but his kingpin really surprised me, it was such a rich and multifaceted character. but I knew many would hate him.
I liked it a lot. I think I read some comments about it having a weak second half, but I think it was great. I don't want lots of random fights all the time. The slower paced, character focused episodes were just as good as the others - if not better in the case of the Fisk backstory one.
I find it interesting that in the last episode, Fisk basically blames Daredevil for all his problems, yet really he was only a small catalyst - Fisk would still have met Vanessa, so Leland and Madam Gow(?) would still have poisoned those people, and Leland would still have been embezzling things.
So a lot of the stuff that piled on Fisk would have happened anyway - really only came down to one whistleblower in the end, as it often does.
One puzzling thing though - when he picks up his suit, the maker says it isn't ready yet, and points out the red bits might not be very strong - might survive a knife swipe, depending on the angle. Murdoch says it is fine - because he needs it urgently. Are we assuming he takes it back and gets it upgraded before season 2?
I find it interesting that in the last episode, Fisk basically blames Daredevil for all his problems, yet really he was only a small catalyst - Fisk would still have met Vanessa, so Leland and Madam Gow(?) would still have poisoned those people, and Leland would still have been embezzling things.
So a lot of the stuff that piled on Fisk would have happened anyway - really only came down to one whistleblower in the end, as it often does.
One puzzling thing though - when he picks up his suit, the maker says it isn't ready yet, and points out the red bits might not be very strong - might survive a knife swipe, depending on the angle. Murdoch says it is fine - because he needs it urgently. Are we assuming he takes it back and gets it upgraded before season 2?
So where do we think this show fits in the MCU timeline? I don't think it's "real time," as in, right before Age of Ultron and concurrently with the second half of Agents of SHIELD season two. Characters mention that it's been about two years since the Battle of New York, which has been established to have been "real time" with when that movie came out, May 2012. So that puts this show around mid-2014, although I think it was slightly later because it's mentioned that it's getting colder (but still hasn't snowed yet), which seems to indicate autumn. I would place it between Guardians of the Galaxy and the beginning of Agents of SHIELD season two.
With the widespread negative reaction to the suit, it's a certainty.
With the widespread negative reaction to the suit, it's a certainty.
Both have parents killed by criminals, both have no powers, both are super rich, both use gadgets and both have the kind of work alone attitude. Plus both are the majority of the time somehow better then there super powered friends. I dunno just a dumb though
Just finished Season 1 last night. I am supremely disappointed in D'onofiro's Kingpin. He's got the physicality there, but his snarling man-child rageaholic persona and delivery of lines makes it impossible for me to believe he's capable of keeping his shit together enough to assemble a criminal empire in the first place.
hendersonhank
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I agree except I don't think he had the physicality either. He was only marginally bigger than Leland, his middle-aged accountant.
On the topic of Fisk, I think the main problem with him besides the overdone child tones all over him is the fact that while he believes to be helping the city, and may he be even truely doing so behind the scenes; but there's not one fragment of an actual scene that enforces or shows this.
The entire series (live screen time at least) pretty much shows that he's never been in true direct control of the *corporation* as a whole, he just pretty much just funds and links together all the completely separate and self-sufficient monsters to maximize profit on all sides.
We get it Fisk, your city, change on a big scale; but lack of a Fisk's Better World scene just makes us scoff at it and not give a shit and he really does look like a baby thrashing about helping nothing and noone.
The entire series (live screen time at least) pretty much shows that he's never been in true direct control of the *corporation* as a whole, he just pretty much just funds and links together all the completely separate and self-sufficient monsters to maximize profit on all sides.
We get it Fisk, your city, change on a big scale; but lack of a Fisk's Better World scene just makes us scoff at it and not give a shit and he really does look like a baby thrashing about helping nothing and noone.
What was he even doing for The City? It seemed like he and his compatriots were just stealing the The City's children to be sold into sex slavery and filling The City with hard drugs for profits while evicting The City's residents from their slummy apartments so they could be bought and torn down.
BobTheFork
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I think the actual horns on the suit are kind of stupid but if the justification is that the guy who made the suit thought it would be cool, then I'm ok with it.
TheGreatDirector
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There was a definitive lack of an "endgame" for Fisk. I feel like the closest we got to one was the implication that he would take over every other gang as he did to the Russians and Yakuza. That being said, he was pretty much deluding himself into being a hero, really just wanting to be powerful just as his dad wanted to be.
That's what I'm saying, Fisk reiterates multiple times that he wants to be the change agent that actually works on a scale that matters for a better Hell's Kitchen. Yet all we see is branches of his operation just doing regular scummy criminal shit, and may be just may be we can assume this stuff is either behind Fisk's back or Fisk considers it a necessary evil to fund a better city, but we never see him act on that and actually help the city, period.
Glass Shark
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Is there a support group for comic nerds who didn't like Daredevil? Feels like I'm the only one. 
I thought this season was super boring and predictable. I feel like it focused too much on Fisk and not enough on Matt and his journey. There was a moment in the last episode where his character arc finally started showing, but then it was over as soon as it started.
I dunno. Maybe I was just expecting something that the Marvel movies do that a TV show can't / doesn't want to do.
I thought this season was super boring and predictable. I feel like it focused too much on Fisk and not enough on Matt and his journey. There was a moment in the last episode where his character arc finally started showing, but then it was over as soon as it started.
I dunno. Maybe I was just expecting something that the Marvel movies do that a TV show can't / doesn't want to do.
But modern Daredevil came in 1979 and modern Batman started in 1986
I like this post so much, especially since it was Daredevil where Frank Miller cut his teeth to prepare for Batman. Frank Miller: Year 1 is basically his Daredevil run
Razgriz-Specter
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This has me pretty hyped. Season 1 was great.
Can't wait for Iron Fist's run. I'd love if they gave his costume designs a modern spin like this.
I love the suit literally only thing I dislike is the overly designed eye area.
I agree, I like the suit the more I look at it. What's driving people crazy is that the mask doesn't fit Charlie's face correctly. He doesn't have a symmetrical lower face which is throwing the whole thing out of whack. The nose piece is probably too short or too long as well. They should do the full open nose like the comic DD, or cover it like Batman. But the rest of the suit is perfectly fine, it's red and has black armor plates in areas where he'd need it. I kinda wish they'd show us a fully lit promo costume test pic so we can see it in all it's glory.
IrishNinja
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cj_iwakura
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Not reading the replies yet, but I'm up to Episode 4 and pretty soundly hooked. Very likely will be blitzing this over the weekend.
I think the biggest problem with him is that he's supposed to be Kingpin but the whole season he was pretty much Middle Manager, pulling the balancing act between gangs and seemingly always acknowledging someone higher up in the food chain via Gao. Then when he finally does become the boss, he gets sent straight to jail after an ass whupping.
GregLombardi
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I had never even heard of Daredevil and finally watched this over the past few weeks. Show is absolutely excellent, I finished every episode and I'd give it a 9.3+/10. As usual, D'Onofrio continues to impress me as an actor. Great great performance by him. Everyone else was spot on as well. And anyone who thinks Foggy isn't great is crazy.
Watch the damn show if you haven't!
Watch the damn show if you haven't!
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
He's not supposed to be Kingpin yet. That's exactly the point. I do agree they took him down a bit too quick, but at this stage of his life, he is just a above average crime boss. Just like Matt wasn't really a fantastic superhero for most of the show, but we all know he will be one day.
OrlanisWorks
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Finished the season. I have trouble with Fisk's delusions and development, certain coincidences that were necessary for certain plot points to happen, and the crazy lack of Claire. I liked her a lot.
Still was a fantastic watch. Fight scenes and stuff were fun and not total shit without all of the editing that would have thrown the action into the puss of incoherent shit. Cast is great even though I hate the dude who plays Nelson and Fisk is a man-baby. Great stuff though and the performances put most tv shows top shame.
Recommended, yes yes yes. Lots of fun.
Still was a fantastic watch. Fight scenes and stuff were fun and not total shit without all of the editing that would have thrown the action into the puss of incoherent shit. Cast is great even though I hate the dude who plays Nelson and Fisk is a man-baby. Great stuff though and the performances put most tv shows top shame.
Recommended, yes yes yes. Lots of fun.
CaptainofIndustry
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Batman is a second rate Daredevil wannabe. You know it, your friends know it, and your whole family knows it. Daredevil gets the shit done on a much lower budget without putting 12 year old boys at risk and is blind. I mean, who fights crime with a 12 year old kid? Batman, old irresponsible Batman, that's who.
Daredevil doesn't need all kinds of gadgets. He's like "give me two sticks and I'm gonna go out there and whip that ass." Two fucking sticks. One of the sticks is a grappling hook. Dude doesn't even need a dedicated grappling hook. It's a secondary function of one of his sticks. If I'm looking for a cost-efficient hero, I gotta go with Daredevil. With the kind of budget Batman has, Gotham should be a Utopia.
Also, I thought this show was better than The Dark Knight trilogy.
plasmawave
Banned
This has me pretty hyped. Season 1 was great.
Can't wait for Iron Fist's run. I'd love if they gave his costume designs a modern spin like this.
Ew.
Keep the ninja look. Seriously. Aside from that this is a great show.
Binged over the week and finished it last night. My wife and I really liked it a lot. Both Matt and Fisk are shown to be in kind of their fledgling stages, which was cool.
I like how Matt still gets the crap beaten out of him on occasion, showing that he's not QUITE there yet, but is working his way to ultimate badassery.
I dug the episode that gave a background into Fisk. I haven't read too many of the comics, even though I have a stack of them in a box, so I don't know how "accurate" it is, but I thought it was a nice touch.
Oh, and I liked how (I think) they referenced the character
Finally, I wasn't expecting it to be so violent. This was SUPER violent, but I think they did it in a good way.
I like how Matt still gets the crap beaten out of him on occasion, showing that he's not QUITE there yet, but is working his way to ultimate badassery.
I dug the episode that gave a background into Fisk. I haven't read too many of the comics, even though I have a stack of them in a box, so I don't know how "accurate" it is, but I thought it was a nice touch.
Oh, and I liked how (I think) they referenced the character
Elektra, during the conversation about Matt learning Spanish, to get close to that "Greek girl."
Finally, I wasn't expecting it to be so violent. This was SUPER violent, but I think they did it in a good way.
Just finished watching this yesterday. I'm usually not a comic book guy but I really enjoyed this. Though I wish they'd kept the "costume" he was using prior to getting the real thing. I really liked that, the final costume looks kind of corny. Though it could be worse I guess.
Razgriz-Specter
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You mean the black T-shirt and pants?
Ignatz Mouse
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But modern Daredevil came in 1979 and modern Batman started in 1986
Modern Batman started in 1970 or so, not 1986. When Denny O'Neil took over the book and Neal Adams was drawing it.
Denny O'Neil, who, by the way, also marks the beginning of modern Daredevil.
There's a ton of great Batman stuff from 1970 to 1986. O'Neil, Englehart, and other writers.
Daredevil has the worst love life of any super hero in comics.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Exactly. Brucey is too busy crying about his mommy to enjoy the company of women. He's got issues. Hey, Bats, you're in your mid-30s. Chances are your folks would be dead anyway. Oh, and you want to know who else's parents are deaaaaaddddd?
Superman
Flash
Tim Drake
Dick Grayson
Hal Jordan
(Skip over to Marvel)
-Uh. Every superhero ever created, with the exception of Maggot and Squirrel Girl, and they sent Maggot to a literal concentration camps, so that leaves just the one, RIP Squirrel Girl
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