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Marvels Secret Wars by Hickman & Ribic |OT| Everything ends... Everything begins

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PhoncipleBone said:
So more stuff feeding the bullshit that Marvel cancelled FF out of spite to Fox, and not because the sales were low. Got it. Where is the article about cancelling anything X-Men related last year? Or do we have to wait until next year for that?
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X-Men brings in way more money that Fantastic Four, but FF outsold a SHIT ton more books than a lot of other stuff Marvel had which didn't get the axe.

Look at all the Secret War tie-ins there are (Howard the Human? Bob, Agent of Hydra? etc etc) How many Fantastic Four ones are there again?
 
Slayven said:
Guys you can recon comics, but you can't recon legal contracts.

Marvel could kill off Johnny, Ben, and Sue, then turn Reed into a socipathtic mad scientist intent on saving the world his way. And Fox will still have the rights.



I remember when Clarmont lied and said Marvel said "No new mutants". And he created a new mutant that same month.
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I see what you did there.
 
Thanos straight up told Fury that horrors were waiting for them on 616. If he wasn't totally convinced he probably was after they started dropping Hulks like bombs and then they flipped over the Triskelion!

On the subject of the FF, Marvel confirmed we'll get a new FF book after SW. What that exactly will be is obviously unknown at this point.
 
PhoncipleBone said:
So more stuff feeding the bullshit that Marvel cancelled FF out of spite to Fox, and not because the sales were low. Got it. Where is the article about cancelling anything X-Men related last year? Or do we have to wait until next year for that?


But back on topic, and now that we are out of the spoiler zone for issue 1, I love how quickly 616 shut down U. Fury's attack. Fury goes in with everything he's got, and catches 616 by surprise. Yet they still kicked his ass in hard in a short amount of time. Of course, The Maker knew it would happen like that, but it was still cool to see.
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It made sense too though. 616 has so many more superheroes to begin with, let alone the amount in the Ultimate Universe who have died. Iron Man was the only superhero actually attacking for Fury, right? The rest was just like fighter jets and helicarriers and stuff.
 
Mudcrab said:
Thanos straight up told Fury that horrors were waiting for them on 616. If he wasn't totally convinced he probably was after they started dropping Hulks like bombs and then they flipped over the Triskelion!
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And that Colossus fast ball specialed Hulk from the surface of 616 Earth, through the incursion point, and into the Triskelion. God help the other teams if Colossus ever takes up baseball or football in the Marvel Universe.

Fintan said:
It made sense too though. 616 has so many more superheroes to begin with, let alone the amount in the Ultimate Universe who have died. Iron Man was the only superhero actually attacking for Fury, right? The rest was just like fighter jets and helicarriers and stuff.
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It does make sense, but it was still awesome to see the U. Universe get their shit stomped in real fast.
 
E the Shaggy said:
X-Men brings in way more money that Fantastic Four, but FF outsold a SHIT ton more books than a lot of other stuff Marvel had which didn't get the axe.

Look at all the Secret War tie-ins there are (Howard the Human? Bob, Agent of Hydra? etc etc) How many Fantastic Four ones are there again?
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Last Days of The Silver Surfer

Squadron Sinster
 
The thing I was most surprised about was that Nick Fury didn't track down The Magician from Ultimate X-Men. His powers were roughly on par with a Beyonder, I'd say. He could've turned the tide.

And where was Geldof in all of this???
 
Fintan said:
It made sense too though. 616 has so many more superheroes to begin with, let alone the amount in the Ultimate Universe who have died. Iron Man was the only superhero actually attacking for Fury, right? The rest was just like fighter jets and helicarriers and stuff.
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Very few heroes left in the Ultimate Universe in which people were interested. No Cap or Thor. Miles Morales on a street-level Ultimates team that no one cares about. Most of the mutants were dead.
 
PhoncipleBone said:
So more stuff feeding the bullshit that Marvel cancelled FF out of spite to Fox, and not because the sales were low. Got it. Where is the article about cancelling anything X-Men related last year? Or do we have to wait until next year for that?


But back on topic, and now that we are out of the spoiler zone for issue 1, I love how quickly 616 shut down U. Fury's attack. Fury goes in with everything he's got, and catches 616 by surprise. Yet they still kicked his ass in hard in a short amount of time. Of course, The Maker knew it would happen like that, but it was still cool to see.
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The X-Men still sell a lot of comics, so I doubt they'll cancel them. Like I said, we have nothing to fear for the X-Men in the comics (numerous Marvel execs have reassured us that the X-Men are gonna stick around), it's outside of the comics that's the concern.
Plus Cyclops surviving the incursion helps.
 
Another thing about the FF comics, they don't have any events that could be capsulized and remixed. Except for Heroes Return, The New Fantastic Four, and Everlovin Blue eyed end of the world I can't think of anything that could have been of use.

Well Fantastic Force, but that was too gold to touch.,
 
Cth said:
He's actually a really nice guy. And as much of a joke as some would label the guy, his concepts sell.
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I've heard both, but my labels were not based on his personality but writing style. He's still one of my favorite writers, but the Ultimate universe, like a lot of his other work, is very cynical and he loves making people uncomfortable.
 
Slayven said:
Another thing about the FF comics, they don't have any events that could be capsulized and remixed. Except for Heroes Return, The New Fantastic Four, and Everlovin Blue eyed end of the world I can't think of anything that could have been of use.

Well Fantastic Force, but that was too gold to touch.,
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Trial of Galactus
Unthinkable
Anything Hickman related (Death of Human Torch for example)
This Man, This Monster

Etc etc
 
So they are pulling it out of their ass that it was the deal with Fox that caused them to cancel it. Did anyone else talk with the random "Marvel staffers" and get more information besides Bleeding Cool? It just reads like sensationalist crap to get attention is all.
 
E the Shaggy said:
Trial of Galactus
Unthinkable
Anything Hickman related (Death of Human Torch for example)
This Man, This Monster

Etc etc
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Trail of Galactus I give you, but no one liked Unthinkable while it was going on.

PhoncipleBone said:
So they are pulling it out of their ass that it was the deal with Fox that caused them to cancel it. Did anyone else talk with the random "Marvel staffers" and get more information besides Bleeding Cool? It just reads like sensationalist crap to get attention is all.
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Jsut feeding the narractive that Marvel is using petty comic tricks to try to get back the rights. Which doesn't even begin to pass the sniff test
 
I just noticed the skull logo.

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On "wher muh FF bookz?"

Reed and Vic are the main characters in SW, ffs. Hickman also wont break his own continuity and has already shown us that future Val and Godboy are alive and just fine, punking galactuses, talking to trees and teaching dooms to be polite.

Secret Wars is a FF event.
 
Coriolanus said:
On "wher muh FF bookz?"

Reed and Vic are the main characters in SW, ffs. Hickman also wont break his own continuity and has already shown us that future Val and Godboy are alive and just fine, punking galactuses, talking to trees and teaching dooms to be polite.

Secret Wars is a FF event.
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Exactly. If this whole "Marvel only canceling FF to spit Fox" thing were true, Reed and Doom would not be central to their biggest event in years.
 
PhoncipleBone said:
Exactly. If this whole "Marvel only canceling FF to spit Fox" thing were true, Reed and Doom would not be central to their biggest event in years.
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Bleeding Cool is rumor mongering, hoping nobody notices what they wrote a month ago.

Bleeding Cool said:
And CB also emphasised that there would be a Fantastic Four comic after Secret Wars….

So… there. Whatever’s coming, whatever changes are made, whatever you get at the end of it… not a reboot. They said.
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Neoxon said:
More Bleeding Cool rumors, this time for the X-Men.

Supposedly they all leave Earth when they discover that terrigenesis kills mutants & that it's spreading across the globe. Their stories will apparently continue on a new planet.
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I'm now actually kinda glad that Wolverine is dead instead of having to see this kind of BS.

Marvel is going to need to really wow me with some of these new titles because at this point, I'm only going to end reading the Hulk.
 
PhoncipleBone said:
So more stuff feeding the bullshit that Marvel cancelled FF out of spite to Fox, and not because the sales were low. Got it. Where is the article about cancelling anything X-Men related last year? Or do we have to wait until next year for that?


But back on topic, and now that we are out of the spoiler zone for issue 1, I love how quickly 616 shut down U. Fury's attack. Fury goes in with everything he's got, and catches 616 by surprise. Yet they still kicked his ass in hard in a short amount of time. Of course, The Maker knew it would happen like that, but it was still cool to see.
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Here you go

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/05/07/so-what-happens-to-the-x-men-after-secret-wars-spoilers/
 
Considering that SW has something like,by my count, 8 X-Books (9 if you count Last Days of Magneto) I'm just going to assume that if they do anything weird with mutants after this is over it will be limited time and/or because they figure they can tell better (i.e. more popular) stories by doing so. You know, the same reason the post-SW FF book will be going in whatever direction it ends up going in. Seriously, if anything it seems like one goal of SW is to give FF and X-Men comics a boost rather than sabotaging them. And yes, I'm well aware a boost is desired for all books resuming/launching out of an event like this.
 
Simply Sarah said:
Considering that SW has something like,by my count, 8 X-Books (9 if you count Last Days of Magneto) I'm just going to assume that if they do anything weird with mutants after this is over it will be limited time and/or because they figure they can tell better (i.e. more popular) stories by doing so. You know, the same reason the post-SW FF book will be going in whatever direction it ends up going in. Seriously, if anything it seems like one goal of SW is to give FF and X-Men comics a boost rather than sabotaging them. And yes, I'm well aware a boost is desired for all books resuming/launching out of an event like this.
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Shhhh. It doesn't fit the narrative. Quiet, you! We must feed the fires of bullshit. Stop bringing rational thought into this.
 
Simply Sarah said:
Considering that SW has something like,by my count, 8 X-Books (9 if you count Last Days of Magneto) I'm just going to assume that if they do anything weird with mutants after this is over it will be limited time and/or because they figure they can tell better (i.e. more popular) stories by doing so. You know, the same reason the post-SW FF book will be going in whatever direction it ends up going in. Seriously, if anything it seems like one goal of SW is to give FF and X-Men comics a boost rather than sabotaging them. And yes, I'm well aware a boost is desired for all books resuming/launching out of an event like this.
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Hopefully, this will be the end of the cycle of nation-building the X-Men been stuck in since M-Day.
 
PhoncipleBone said:
Shhhh. It doesn't fit the narrative. Quiet, you! We must feed the fires of bullshit. Stop bringing rational thought into this.
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All that being said, if the above X-Men rumour is true
it needs to be super short term since it would mean either dropping any minimal remaining pretence of maintaining the original spirit of mutants or would require some triple nonsense to generate a similar situation on a new world.
 
It's only a matter of months before parallel universes pop back up post SW and we are back to business as usual. What's the over/under? 6 months?
 
PhoncipleBone said:
So they are pulling it out of their ass that it was the deal with Fox that caused them to cancel it. Did anyone else talk with the random "Marvel staffers" and get more information besides Bleeding Cool? It just reads like sensationalist crap to get attention is all.
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So, your average Bleeding Cool article then.
 
The only other mention I found about the FF rumor to spite Fox was Deadline, and they mention that it might really be about sales or trying to screw the Kirby estate.
 
Kinyou said:
I'm not sure how this would work.
Being discriminated by humans is kind of important to 90% of the X-men stories.
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It was. It used to be. It's not really a big deal at all anymore, though, and you could argue a fair amount of their best stories don't have that theme running through them at all.

Plus
that particular metaphor wasn't ever all that great a fit in the first place, and most of the really embarrassing/stupid storytelling that's come in the comics' decade long run comes from writers who don't really understand it shoehorning that shit in sideways
 
xyla said:
Thanks - I'll have a look at 1872 at least then. Marvel Unlimited is not for me. I don't read them regularly enough for it to pay off..
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You can get a free month right now with the code ULTRON. More than enough time to read the stories you're interested in that will be resurrected for this event.
 
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