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[Deleted member 13876]

Do we really need two Samuel L. Jacksons walking around?

I agree 616 Fury Jr. is redundant.

 

[rakhir]

During the timeskip.

Bendis may have hinted at the Phoenix Egg at the end of Uncanny X-Men #32 so we still might get to see some development towards that in the three issues (34-35 & 600) we have left.

I think Hickman's Avengers #38 was the first time we actually saw Cyclops during the Time Runs Out arc and this was also the first mention of the Phoenix Egg. And then he appears again in Avengers #42 where we actually see the Phoenix Egg.

If he did hint at something in X-Men it went over my head. I hope he will elaborate in those three issues, but man, i wish they wouldn't start the big event with some titles so hopelessly behind the schedule.

When was the time skip? Avengers were in future from every other title for some time now?
I think i really need to read Hickmans Avengers and New Avengers...
Is there more current reading list than this? https://i.imgur.com/OMvXvhU.jpg

 

[Patryn]

So what everyone's guess about the state of the post SW universe? Incorporate characters from 1610 and 616 into one world? How long until parallel worlds start cropping back up and it's back to business as usual? 6 months?

Guessing that parallel worlds are going to exist from the start given that I don't see Spider-Gwen being rolled into the proper MU.

 

[kswiston]

If he did hint at something in X-Men it went over my head. I hope he will elaborate in those three issues, but man, i wish they wouldn't start the big event with some titles so hopelessly behind the schedule.

When was the time skip? Avengers were in future from every other title for some time now?
I think i really need to read Hickmans Avengers and New Avengers...
Is there more current reading list than this? https://i.imgur.com/OMvXvhU.jpg

The two Hickman Avengers titles have been 8 months ahead of everything else since last October. You can get an updated reading list from the first page of this thread I believe.

 

[Tragicomedy]

Death to Nick Fury, Jr.! Simply the worst.

 

[Coriolanus]

When was the time skip? Avengers were in future from every other title for some time now?

Eight months ago, if memory serves.

Was quite the clever trick that Hicks found to force every other writer to fix their shit in order to line up with the megaevent.

 

[rakhir]

The two Hickman Avengers titles have been 8 months ahead of everything else since last October. You can get an updated reading list from the first page of this thread I believe.

I found the reading list in hickmans avengers ot, as linked in the first post, thanks!
m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=900929

Eight months ago, if memory serves.

Was quite the clever trick that Hicks found to force every other writer to fix their shit in order to line up with the megaevent.

Yeah, they themselves tu fucked some things up, like previously mentioned costume (spiderwoman) and power (gamora) mistakes . But it was a monstrous task, I agree.

 

[graffix13]

Eight months ago, if memory serves.

8 months is correct.

Here is Hickman and Brevoort talking about: http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/this-is-battleworld-hickman-brevoort-discuss-secret-wars-1

Also I wouldn't hold my breath that they explain how/why Cyclops received the Phoenix Egg. I would love to read it but it aint going to happen.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

It seems something must have gone wrong somewhere with the X-Books around AXIS. The Nation X thing is an entirely new status quo, but so far we've only had off-screen mentions of it. Now the planets have kissed and the concept has seen no exploration at all, yet somehow ties into the whole thing.

 

[Busaiku]

The most important Secret Wars book.

 

[Manmademan]

What i got from all of that is that 1. Cyke is FAR too trusting of strangers with his offspring to ever be considered a good father

well, the stranger was the best option all things considered.

and 2. If cyke and jean were indeed legit in the future raising Cable, why would he ever go back to the past to tell them they were shitty parents?

Scott and Jean used an alias in the future and not their real names. They were also in cloned/manufactured bodies inferior to their originals, so didn't look quite the same.

Cable figured it out after Scott told him when he returned and they made amends.

Also 3. never travel via Rachel Timelines.

truth!

if kurt could take talia under his wing and care for her like his actual daughter while she was in the 616, then surely scott could be a dad to mutant jesus

I'm not even sure X-man knows who his "parents" are, let alone Scott. Wasn't he dating madelyne pryor at one point, who's a clone of his mother? That whole line is just wrong wrong wrong

 

[wenis]

The most important Secret Wars book.

Oh hell yea!

 

[Slayven]

Has Cyke and Cable ever had a father son and moment other then the Red and Slim stuff?

 

[Palette Swap]

Bleeding cool always on point:

@bleedingcool: Chloe Poillerat To Replace Marguerite Sauvage On Secret Wars: 1602: Witch Hunter Angela http://t.co/6wi8Dbx51a

Except she's just the same person using her real name instead of a pen name lol.

 

[Slayven]

Bleeding cool always on point:
Except she's just the same person using her real name instead of a pen name lol.

Hahahahahaha

 

[tringworldso]

So Female-Thor, Spider-Man, Captain Marvel, Mister Fantastic, Black Panther, Cyclops, Star-Lord, Manifold are the only 616 survivors?

Btw everyone in the comic making a weird :-O face cracked me up.

 

[SArcher]

Teen Jean Grey too maybe but hasn't been confirmed yet.

 

[Sadist]

So Female-Thor, Spider-Man, Captain Marvel, Mister Fantastic, Black Panther, Cyclops, Star-Lord, Manifold are the only 616 survivors?

Namor and Thanos as well.

Doom made it out too.

 

[graffix13]

So Female-Thor, Spider-Man, Captain Marvel, Mister Fantastic, Black Panther, Cyclops, Star-Lord, Manifold are the only 616 survivors?

Yes. I don't know what's up with Silver Surfer though as I don't read his book (I do remember some solicits that had him remaking the universe or some such).

And even though we didn't see a lot of characters die, you just have to assume they are gone because....well, the universe has been wiped.

EDIT: Forgot about The Cabal. They are from the 616. But they didn't have a Life Raft so I don't know how they would have survived.

 

[SArcher]

If he did hint at something in X-Men it went over my head. I hope he will elaborate in those three issues, but man, i wish they wouldn't start the big event with some titles so hopelessly behind the schedule.

I'm thinking of the last two pages of Uncanny X-Men #32 (Alex and Scott planning something). Of course, it could be completely unrelated to the whole Nation X/Phoenix Egg plot. We'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Dalek]

Manifold is an asshole. Teleported Star-Lord and left Drax and Gamora standing right next to him.

EDIT: Forgot about The Cabal. They are from the 616. But they didn't have a Life Raft so I don't know how they would have survived.

They do have a life raft. Ultimate Reed basically says something along the lines of copying something but making it better at the same time 616 Life Raft is lifting off.

 

[tringworldso]

Teen Jean Grey too maybe but hasn't been confirmed yet.

That would be crazy. Wonder how the survivors were chosen.

Namor and Thanos as well.

Doom made it out too.

How did Doom survive though? I thought him, Strange and Molecule Man were wiped out by the Beyonders.

Yes. I don't know what's up with Silver Surfer though as I don't read his book (I do remember some solicits that had him remaking the universe or some such).

And even though we didn't see a lot of characters die, you just have to assume they are gone because....well, the universe has been wiped.

EDIT: Forgot about The Cabal. They are from the 616. But they didn't have a Life Raft so I don't know how they would have survived.

Yeah, I'm not getting how The Cabal could survive. Never showed them having any ship or something..

But it was very interesting to see that none of the trinity (Steve Rogers, Tony Stark, Male-Thor) made it out alive.

 

[Lonestar]

Yes. I don't know what's up with Silver Surfer though as I don't read his book (I do remember some solicits that had him remaking the universe or some such).

And even though we didn't see a lot of characters die, you just have to assume they are gone because....well, the universe has been wiped.

EDIT: Forgot about The Cabal. They are from the 616. But they didn't have a Life Raft so I don't know how they would have survived.

On the page where you see the life raft lifting out of the Baxter Building, look at the 3rd panel at the top. It's The City's roof opening, and coming up, is another life raft, looking damn near the same. 2 Life Rafts, U Reed and the Cabal are still around. 99.99999% sure U Spiderman jumped onto it at some point.


I'm also sure Manifold didn't make it. He stayed behind to get Cyke onto the ship.

 

[Dalek]

On the page where you see the life raft lifting out of the Baxter Building, look at the 3rd panel at the top. It's The City's roof opening, and coming up, is another life raft, looking damn near the same. 2 Life Rafts, U Reed and the Cabal are still around. 99.99999% sure U Spiderman jumped onto it at some point.

Yep. Miles was on top of The City when all the ships flew out and he looked down and saw something.

And yes, Manifold stayed behind in the Baxter Building.

 

[Sadist]

outside of "possessed by the phoenix and killing xavier" I can't really think of anything. A bit ruthless, but that's about it.

I know Googleplex has a like a Scott Summers-alarm everytime we mention him in Comics-GAF, but he seems to think everyone hates Cykes. Which is not the case; but I just find it hard to really care for the character for the last couple of years. He's absolutely right about mutants not being accepted or getting any help from governments around the world, but I just don't agree with his methods how to help his own cause. That's all. I think you described it best by calling him a bit ruthless, but I'd leave the "bit" part. His actions post AvX are somewhat weird. Didn't he somewhat agree with the viewpoints during one of the last Uncanny X-Men issues while talking to Havoc?

Anyway, I understand why he's using the Phoenix egg during the final incursion as one last resort; but I don't know if he keeps it when he's brought aboard the raft. If he retains it's powers, I wouldn't trust him. Well the Phoenix I guess.

 

[graffix13]

They do have a life raft. Ultimate Reed basically says something along the lines of copying something but making it better at the same time 616 Life Raft is lifting off.

On the page where you see the life raft lifting out of the Baxter Building, look at the 3rd panel at the top. It's The City's roof opening, and coming up, is another life raft, looking damn near the same. 2 Life Rafts, U Reed and the Cabal are still around. 99.99999% sure U Spiderman jumped onto it at some point.


I'm also sure Manifold didn't make it. He stayed behind to get Cyke onto the ship.

Ahh yep, think you guys are correct. I do remember that panel now. There was a lot going on in the issue.

 

[tringworldso]

On the page where you see the life raft lifting out of the Baxter Building, look at the 3rd panel at the top. It's The City's roof opening, and coming up, is another life raft, looking damn near the same. 2 Life Rafts, U Reed and the Cabal are still around. 99.99999% sure U Spiderman jumped onto it at some point.


I'm also sure Manifold didn't make it. He stayed behind to get Cyke onto the ship.

Nice catch. The art and colouring aren't doing the comic any justice.

 

[Lonestar]

I know Googleplex has a like a Scott Summers-alarm everytime we mention him in Comics-GAF, but he seems to think everyone hates Cykes. Which is not the case; but I just find it hard to really care for the character for the last couple of years. He's absolutely right about mutants not being accepted or getting any help from governments around the world, but I just don't agree with his methods how to help his own cause. That's all. I think you described it best by calling him a bit ruthless, but I'd leave the "bit" part. His actions post AvX are somewhat weird. Didn't he somewhat agree with the viewpoints during one of the last Uncanny X-Men issues while talking to Havoc?

Anyway, I understand why he's using the Phoenix egg during the final incursion as one last resort; but I don't know if he keeps it when he's brought aboard the raft. If he retains it's powers, I wouldn't trust him. Well the Phoenix I guess.

He still has to have that power. Uniform changed colors! IT IS LAW!

That would be crazy. Wonder how the survivors were chosen.

Some nonsense about Manifold's having an intuition of teleporting things on a "need" basis, even if he doesn't know what the need is.

My guess, people powerful enough to fight going forward, against specific opponents that match. Maybe U Spiderman sneaking on, is why Spiderman is even chosen.

Nice catch. The art and colouring aren't doing the comic any justice.

Yeah, it's taken multiple looks to see that it's Amadeus Cho getting killed while Black Widow says her last lines, and that a ship landed and blasted the Avengers tower. Also, that the Hulk Fastball special is literally from 616 to 1610.

 

[bengraven]

Issue is kind of confusing as I'm going to mention further on.

So we're meant to believe they just destroyed both worlds, right? Is everyone in the 616 that wasn't on the raft dead then?

And by the account, is the U universe destroyed as well?

Teen Jean Grey too maybe but hasn't been confirmed yet.

I never even saw her in the issue.

I saw a brief moment with her U version. But I think the U X-men died, didn't they?

 

[Sadist]

How did Doom survive though? I thought him, Strange and Molecule Man were wiped out by the Beyonders.

I assume something went very wrong during their battle with the Beyonders. The final pages of SW #1 shows Doom and I believe it's his dialogue at the end; he became something more and it wouldn't surprise me that he's the one to create Battleworld.

 

[shadyspace]

Issue is kind of confusing as I'm going to mention further on.

So we're meant to believe they just destroyed both worlds, right? Is everyone in the 616 that wasn't on the raft dead then?

And by the account, is the U universe destroyed as well?



I never even saw her in the issue.

I saw a brief moment with her U version. But I think the U X-men died, didn't they?

...Did you not get to the last page of the issue?

 

[mreddie]

There's the theory that everyone actually lived and that Doom is a god again.

 

[Lonestar]

I assume something went very wrong during their battle with the Beyonders. The final pages of SW #1 shows Doom and I believe it's his dialogue at the end; he became something more and it wouldn't surprise me that he's the one to create Battleworld.

The words were 616 Reed, but yeah, Doom's got something going on. Good old Plot Armor Doom.

 

[Spider from Mars]

Manifold is an asshole. Teleported Star-Lord and left Drax and Gamora standing right next to him.

Hey man, Manifold's teleportation is merit based, Drax and Gamora were not needed, but for some reason, Peter was. I have not idea what that reason could possibly be, but here we are.

 

[Spider from Mars]

There's the theory that everyone actually lived and that Doom is a god again.

Doom is always right. The trains are always on time when Doom is in charge.
#istandwithdoom

 

[bengraven]

Also, shenanigans on having Thor and Capt Marvel in your ship and they can't both fly out quickly and grab at least a few people instead of just sitting there staring. Isn't Marvel super fast as well as able to fly? She could be like "WHIP" and then they're all there.

...Did you not get to the last page of the issue?

Well it's obvious everything is gone now with the all white backing and the RIP.

I'm just confused as to how it happened. Maybe I should have read the Prelude TPB first or something.

 

[Slayven]

My dream is to Have Peter and Silk raising Miles and MC2 Ben Parker. That family would be so diverse it would hurt.

 

[Coriolanus]

Well it's obvious everything is gone now with the all white backing and the RIP.

The all white pages indicate the exact opposite of that.

Read the first pages of the issue again.

My dream is to Have Peter and Silk raising Miles and MC2 Ben Parker. That family would be so diverse it would hurt.

Then we find out that 616 May is mad racist.

 

[Mafro]

I know Hickman is taking a Marvel break after Secret Wars, but what series would everyone like to see him write next?

I think he writes a really fun Spider-Man and it would be interesting to see him apply his style to the series. And anything to get rid of Slott.

Black Panther. Definitely.

 

[Parallax]

I'm not even sure X-man knows who his "parents" are, let alone Scott. Wasn't he dating madelyne pryor at one point, who's a clone of his mother? That whole line is just wrong wrong wrong

He recognizes nate as his brother. And he has a confused relationship with madelyne. Something a father figure could help out with.

 

[Mudcrab]

Black Panther. Definitely.

Imagine an entire run of Avengers 40 like moments...

 

[Coriolanus]

Black Panther. Definitely.

"Hey, how about we put the guy that utterly and completely shafted Tchalla... in charge of writing Tchalla's solo ishs?"

 

[creationtheory]

Has future Franklin Richards shown up in Avengers or New Avengers? I can't remember.

 

[Isak_Borg]

Has future Franklin Richards shown up in Avengers or New Avengers? I can't remember.

he hasn't.

 

[Coriolanus]

Has future Franklin Richards shown up in Avengers or New Avengers? I can't remember.

Yerp. Him and Groot. Avengers. Talked to Steve a bit before Cap continued his time-travelling shenanigans.

 

[Mudcrab]

Yerp. Him and Groot. Avengers. Talked to Steve a bit before Cap continued his time-travelling shenanigans.

Don't forget the Rogue Planet issue.

 

[Manmademan]

he hasn't.

actually...

Yerp. Him and Groot. Avengers. Talked to Steve a bit before Cap continued his time-travelling shenanigans.

beaten to it! Future Franklin has indeed shown up, spouting cryptic things. The groot cameo was great though.

 

[creationtheory]

Ah yes I remember now. Well I fully expect him to show up and do some mega powerful shit in Secret Wars. I kind of hope he doesn't though.

 

[Mafro]

Imagine an entire run of Avengers 40 like moments...

This would be glorious.

"Hey, how about we put the guy that utterly and completely shafted Tchalla... in charge of writing Tchalla's solo ishs?"

Hickman has written Black Panther better than anyone else ever has, regardless of what has happened to him and Wakanda in this run. Speaking of which, I'll be surprised if Wakanda isn't restored (and Namor gets his comeuppance) once Secret Wars is over, what with him having a movie coming out and all that.

 

[Isak_Borg]

actually...



beaten to it! Future Franklin has indeed shown up, spouting cryptic things. The groot cameo was great though.

Damn!

Totally missed that.