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Marvels Secret Wars by Hickman & Ribic |OT| Everything ends... Everything begins

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So, serious question...

A friend who runs a comic store sends me my "pull" four months late, perpetually, so I am already behind on books at any give time.

Is it worth it to just become a Marvel Unlimited subscriber?

It occurred to me that I am getting at least ten monthlies right now, meaning it costs me much more than subscription would.

Are there any deals/coupon codes for Unlimited to make it an even sweeter deal? Is EVERY Marvel book part of Unlimited, just on the six month delay?
 
Mafro said:
Hickman has written Black Panther better than anyone else ever has, regardless of what has happened to him and Wakanda in this run. Speaking of which, I'll be surprised if Wakanda isn't restored (and Namor gets his comeuppance) once Secret Wars is over, what with him having a movie coming out and all that.
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What comeuppance? Atlantis got nearly destroyed and he got cheststabbed after his redemption arc was concluded. Been there, done that.

And i like hick's bp. Was needed after the previous Black Sue status the character had.
 
And in a few years, some rebellious little wakandan is going to turn up at some not-wakandan-cuz-it-was-destroyed-school with him on his shirt.

"Namor was right."
 
Kid Kamikaze10 said:
More like "Shuri was right." I have no idea why a Wakandan would want the collective death of Wakanda.
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Y'mean the girl that opted out of diplomacy, murdering a truckload of civies and causing Namor to trickstab wakanda right back with Thanos's troops while incursions were happening, thus quickening wakanda's demise? Brilliant person, that one.

Shuri was wrong from the moment she allowed her brother to keep his head.
 
Coriolanus said:
Y'mean the girl that opted out of diplomacy, murdering a truckload of civies and causing Namor to trickstab wakanda right back with Thanos's troops while incursions were happening, thus quickening wakanda's demise? Brilliant person, that one.

Shuri was wrong from the moment she allowed her brother to keep his head.
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Why do you like to ignore what Namor did?
 
Coriolanus said:
Y'mean the girl that opted out of diplomacy, murdering a truckload of civies and causing Namor to trickstab wakanda right back with Thanos's troops while incursions were happening, thus quickening wakanda's demise? Brilliant person, that one.

Shuri was wrong from the moment she allowed her brother to keep his head.
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She definitely messed up, but I'd assume a regular Wakandan would see it as "T'Challa started this shit (see bringing in the Illuminati, and storing Thanos in Necropolis), and Shuri tried to stop it."

That, and you know, she was the one acting going for vengeance on Atlantis, which is what everyone but T'Challa wanted.


As for the keeping his head thing? I don't see that at all. If she killed T'Challa and exiled the Illuminati, that would have helped nobody.
 
PsychBat! said:
Why do you like to ignore what Namor did?
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Point to me where i've ever excused Namor's flooding of wakanda.

Kid Kamikaze10 said:
As for the keeping his head thing? I don't see that at all. If she killed T'Challa and exiled the Illuminati, that would have helped nobody.
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Illuminati base wouldn't be in wakanda, thus cabal wouldn't have requested the country as their personal playground.

Parallax said:
people always gloss over namor starting shit and turn panther into the aggressor
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BP is the idiot that thought best not to share incursions with his sister while McCoy and Maximus were brought to the table, all the while knowing that if she reacted badly, they could do to her the same they've done to Steve.
BP's motto of killing Nams later was perfectly fine. Horrible timing, however.
 
Coriolanus said:
Illuminati base wouldn't be in wakanda, thus cabal wouldn't have requested the country as their personal playground.


BP is the idiot that thought best not to share incursions with his sister while McCoy and Maximus were brought to the table, all the while knowing that if she reacted badly, they could do to her the same they've done to Steve.
BP's motto of killing Nams later was perfectly fine. Horrible timing, however.
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Two problems: Necropolis isn't Shuri's domain, and that would mean finding another location for the Cabal. None of the other Illuminati had a decent spot to keep them in.

If anything, BB should be blamed in conjunction with BP. He should have never let Maximus involved in the first place, despite how much he helped; he's the one who helped free the Cabal.


Actually, why did nobody in the Illuminati call out Black Bolt for that?
 
Kid Kamikaze10 said:
If anything, BB should be blamed in conjunction with BP. He should have never let Maximus involved in the first place, despite how much he helped; he's the one who helped free the Cabal.


Actually, why did nobody in the Illuminati call out Black Bolt for that?
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Reasons.
Same reasons that stopped BB from atomizing max in the several times he should've.

But rly, prolly something along the lines of "SEE, HE BUILT THIS SUPER SEKRIT ROOM FOR US, AND I CAN TALK! I CAN TALK! MUH BRO CAN TOTES BE TRUSTED"

And now with all this brother talk, i'm starting to wonder if it is coincidental. Val and Frank, BB and Max, Shuri and BP.
 
Namor flooded Wakanda while on Phoenix, right? I know Cyclops was hated for his part of that as well, but what about the others that were Phoenix? Aren't they all responsible for what Phoenix did?

Was Namor acting on Atlantis' behalf or his/phoenix's own?


The Cabal (and Namor) were absolutely necessary, as the only other people who knew about the incursions basically gave up. 616 never would have made it to the end, where Reed and others barely finished the life raft in time.
 
Namor mightve been under the influence of the spacechicken, sure, but that doesnt excuse what his army did. "Just following orders" is a poor excuse.

Wakanda had no beef with Atlantis whatsoever at the time.
 
Ah, that's what I missed. Kind of thought that Namor just made the flood happen with Phoenix powers. So Atlantis also went in and did stuff too.
 
Of Hickmans FF run I am now up to 582, and if this a foreshadowing of Secret Wars, DANG.

And if this wraps back around to resolving Secret Wars, double dang!
 
OnPoint said:
Spoiler tag what you're referencing?
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Grown up Franklin and Val (Reeds kids) dealing with the end of the universe. They go back in time to warn Sue explaining that things are going to end but they are trying to make a new world. They fail but try one last "something" as they disappear into the infinite whiteness of the end of everything.
 
Also here's an interview with Hickman and Brevoort on issue #1.

My favorite of the sort of last hours scene that we saw in "Secret Wars" #1 was the scene in the bar with the villains and the Punisher. Jonathan, what inspired that scene? How did that come about?

Brevoort: Jonathan has always wanted to shoot up a bar. [Laughs]

Hickman: I can't think of any more poignant thing than shooting up a bar at the end of the world. "Why not?" I said.

Brevoort: [Laughs]

Hickman: I just thought we needed a cool Punisher moment and it seemed perfect. It was one of things where I was like, "Tom, should I cut this? Is it a ridiculous flourish? Am I just goofing around?" And Tom was like, "It's worth keeping." So we kept it.
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The Reed Richards of the Marvel and Ultimate Universes were key in the final but futile attempts to save their respective realities. Jonathan, what was it like returning to these guys for the final moments of the Marvel multiverse?

Hickman: [Laughs] I say, if you can, you turn any book into a Fantastic Four book, whether people are asking for it or not. [Laughs]
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It's funny because I heard a few people on another site tearing Hickman's writing apart and hoping that this event kills his career. Guess that ain't happening.
 
Lonestar said:
Namor flooded Wakanda while on Phoenix, right? I know Cyclops was hated for his part of that as well, but what about the others that were Phoenix? Aren't they all responsible for what Phoenix did?

Was Namor acting on Atlantis' behalf or his/phoenix's own?


The Cabal (and Namor) were absolutely necessary, as the only other people who knew about the incursions basically gave up. 616 never would have made it to the end, where Reed and others barely finished the life raft in time.
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It should also be noted that Namor was completely unrepentant even after the Phoenix issue unlike Cyclops. Namor whole attitude was. "yeah I flooded your lands and killed thousands of your people, but you could never win against me so you'd best let it go."

Namor has ALWAYS been a raging ass hole.
 
PhoncipleBone said:
Obviously he is a paid agent of Fox trying to sabotage Marvel from the inside because he is turning everything into a Fantastic Four book.
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You joke, but a certain site that shall not be named has people shit on Hickman constantly for turning New Avengers into another Fantastic Four book. Nevermind if the book is any good.
 
Pop-O-Matic said:
It's funny because I heard a few people on another site tearing Hickman's writing apart and hoping that this event kills his career. Guess that ain't happening.
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I feel like I only had a quick summary of events during this first issue and a good chunk of his Avengers run. Cap's side of thing just felt like they were bouncing from one thing to another without any real characters moment (except Hyperion). Maybe that's a compromise he had to make for the Illuminati to spend years on a single problems.
 
googleplex said:
It should also be noted that Namor was completely unrepentant even after the Phoenix issue unlike Cyclops. Namor whole attitude was. "yeah I flooded your lands and killed thousands of your people, but you could never win against me so you'd best let it go."

Namor has ALWAYS been a raging ass hole.
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As a couple of wise men once said:

Mudcrab said:
Riposte said:
Namor is the main character of the Marvel universe.
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According to Namor.
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Sneaky, clever bastard.
 
googleplex said:
Ehhh... Anyone want to explain this?
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That's from hickman's SHIELD v1, which was already quite heavy on the motiffs that came to an end in avengers/new avengers. The shadowed figure is probably an early Ex Nihilo concept serving as a Herald of Galactus.

Was quite excited to see the introduction of SPEAR in Avengers World or whatever. Shame that little came of it.

It's a way of pointing out that hicks was hinting at the end of things a long time ago.
 
Mudcrab said:
You joke, but a certain site that shall not be named has people shit on Hickman constantly for turning New Avengers into another Fantastic Four book. Nevermind if the book is any good.
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Terrible.

Even if New Avengers was a FF book in disguise, I enjoyed the book for two years long. I love Hickman's Doom as well. Doom written by Hickman is the best Doom.
 
PsychBat! said:
My favorite thing to come from Hickman in Marvel (until SW). But this book is NOT for beginners.
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Pretty self-contained, i'd say. Major external marvel knowledge required seems to be Richards and Stark. And Galacticool, obv.

I wouldn't recommend (for now) simply because the cliffhanger gon hit like a bag of bricks.
 
Finally caught up, good stuff. But confusing trying to keep up with which side was which during the fight. I know Ultimate-verse was barebones, but that was so one-sided. Can't help but think some of them deserved a little better. Stark trying to get a date almost made up for it.

Smh bp fans, gonna flood Wakanda a second time with all those tears. I do expect BP & BB to get slapped down at some point for the cheap-stab. Otherwise Marvel gonna look a little awkward in the morality dept.
 
Coriolanus said:
Pretty self-contained, i'd say. Major external marvel knowledge required seems to be Richards and Stark. And Galacticool, obv.
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The HIGH usage of concepts and major story progression and not to mention a reliance on the history of Marvel itself is something that I wouldn't recommend a beginner to dive into if he/she wants to start reading comics.

And it comes back this September I hear.
 
Was S.H.I.E.L.D. just a miniseries or something? I have the first volume and liked it, but was never able to come across anything beyond the issues in the volume.
 
Voror said:
Was S.H.I.E.L.D. just a miniseries or something? I have the first volume and liked it, but was never able to come across anything beyond the issues in the volume.
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There's a second volume with 4 issues out 6 out right now. 5 and 6 still have yet to be released.
 
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