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IGN: Splatoon's lack of voice chat is "cheap and lazy"
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Zen_Arcade
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The thing you're missing is that voice chat isn't just for strategy. A lot of people use voice chat just because it's social time in which they want to talk with friends. 99% of the time I'm in voice chat in an online video game, I'm not talking about what to do in the video game, I'm just bullshitting with my friends.
It's not dead, it's just that everyone is smart enough to chat in parties with their friends. They're talking, they're just not talking with randoms and you can't hear what they're saying. When you see a clan or what is obviously a group of friends playing on PS4, do you really think that they're just sitting there in silence when they could be chatting with each other?
Youve never looked into the features then?. But nah let nintendo parent for you fuck everyone else.
http://forums.xbox.com/xbox_forums/xbox_support/xbox_360_support/f/7/t/244470.aspx
If they aren't insufferable brats, I'd gladly be friends with kids.
Oh, yay, blatant hypocrisy. Lets whine about an argument with two sides, with an argument thats completely one sided!
Lets completely ignore a game designed to communicate strategy visually! And bitch and whine incessantly about an option, that was clearly not included because it had absolutely no merit to the gameplay, and the only thing it existing would do, is bring exposure to these personality types and this exact behavior!
Because thats exactly what I want to listen too while playing this, some moron who thinks he knows what needs to be done better than I do.
Because I enjoyed that so much in assassins creed 4 multiplayer.
'NOOOOOOOOOO what are you doing!!! NOOOOOOOOOOO Dont go that way NOOOOO!!!!!!! ARE A FUCKING MORON!!!??? STOOOOPPPPP!!!!!'
Scores a point.
'You just got lucky'. 'NOOOOOOO!!! Oh my GAWD!!! Again!!! STOOOOPPP!!!!'
Communication is required because the team needs to know what is going on, who sees what, whats happening where, where the enemy is going, and quite frankly, in all honesty, in my proffessional opinion you all (as in 99% of the people I have ever played online with I didnt know personally) suck at it. These are all displayed instantly on the game pad screen, in real time, you can literally see, at any instant, exactly where your team mates are, what areas you have covered, and what areas the enemy is covering, faster than anyone can verbally give a sit rep.
Voice chat, which is used to 'paint a picture' of what is going on for other team mates who dont see what you are seeing, IS NOT REQUIRED IN THE SLIGHTEST FOR SPLATOON.
And while we are at it, lets pretend nintendo has never used voice chat before, so they are just too dumb stupid and backwards to even consider that voice chat is a thing. Yeah, thats great.
So yeah, lets bitch and whine at nintendo for not copying everyone else, and completely ignore the fact they just built a game ground up thats fundamental design, covering the area in paint, gives real time visual feedback showing EXACTLY what is going on, for every player, and all the information they need for any individual player to form a strategy to help the team.
All without the whiny nasally voice cracking bullshit, and all the bad intelligence that comes from the constant human errors.
It may be a stupid decision, but I don't think cheapness or laziness got anything to do with it.
What does parentgaf think? Would you let your kid play splatoon if you knew they could run into some asshole with a microphone online?
Obviously it sucks for people who enjoy voicechat with their friends.
What does parentgaf think? Would you let your kid play splatoon if you knew they could run into some asshole with a microphone online?
Obviously it sucks for people who enjoy voicechat with their friends.
Let's be real. Valve isn't wrong about this. Muting is not a perfect solution to the problem of toxic communities. Abusive players encourage people in random games to either shut themselves off from the world and quit or segregate themselves into smaller groups with their friends, which hinders the strategizing that voice chat was supposed to allow for. It's a problem, and I understand why developers might want to prevent it.
But Valve still has voice chat in all their multiplayer games, because they've been trying to look for other solutions that keep their playerbase safer without removing an option that can be really valuable to the experience.
I've spent some time with the game during the test, and I can definitely see why the pace would be too fast for a big set of preset commands. But the great thing about voice chat is that it doesn't take any button presses or real estate to use. Just as people have been arguing that it's valuable to have the map available on the lower screen at all times in a way that doesn't block the player's view, voice chat allows players to communicate without making it any more difficult to play at a fast pace. With voice chat, it'd be easier to communicate higher-level strategy, which is a pretty important thing in a game like Turf Wars where a team can lose tons of ground if some players aren't paying attention to holding and gaining territory.
It's not a deal-breaker for me, but it'd definitely be a big positive, even if it's just limited to your friends list. It'd be odd for it not to be there when that August update hits.
Mr Fahrenheit
Member
I'm not denying the existence, just that I'd never heard about it. In fact I don't think a lot of parents have either because I know a lot of people who wouldn't let their kids play online because of voice chat.
DanteGhost
Member
Well I'm bilingual so... I really hope this was a bad joke.Oh yeah, since the online isn't region locked : how the HECK will you be able to talk to a spanish or japanese guy ?
Are you guys are going to say a selfish thing to them like "talk in english, noob" ?
R_thanatos
Member
What ? i voice chat like everyday on every console where i can . with my friends.
And for the games that require coordination i voice chat without trouble.
In what dimension voice chat on consoles dead ?
Heck even the recent MH4 ads on 3ds showcase that you can talk with your friends
Did i just wonder into an alternate dimension by mistake ?
It's astonishing, isn't it? A more fucking stupid analogy could not ever have been made.
Mr Fahrenheit said:
Google -> "How do you turn off voice chat on 360?"
SOLVED in one link. I don't want to say anything about your parenting, but I think it's clear to everyone that something is going wrong if THIS is a specific concern and you're not even doing that. You couldn't even google this shit?
Werewolf Jones
Member
If no voice chat the game needs some basic form of chat communication like MH does it online but that might be a bit too heavy since they're keeping the UI simple.
Neff
Member
Good for you. The number of people who still want chat after playing the demo seems to be in short supply compared to the number who are simply complaining about the lack of chat on principle, and being openly disparaging of the game in its own right, some also having no affiliation with Wii U whatsoever. My point is that these people should at least play the game first before making comparisons to typical team shooters.
Holy Christ this thread. My god.
Blatantly the latter given how a BASIC feature like party matchmaking is not launching with the game.
The way this thing is being handled is a complete embarrassment and an accurate summation of why Nintendo is in the pole position for the race to the BOTTOM.
that's pretty fucking creepy, tbh
I cant believe someone tried to make that argument when faster competitive shooters exist.
Being bilingual doesn't prevent you from encountering someone who speaks a completely different language. Spanish and English doesn't cover everything.
Acrylic7
Member
what does that have to do with anything?
Iv had a few kid friends on PSN. Believe it or not some were more mature than teens and adults. Easier to work with as well.
If he was hanging out with kids in real life, yeah I could see that being extremely creepy but online friends are just people to play online games with. I don't see a problem here.
wait wat. I have not been in the loop with this game. Nintendo is actually tiring to pull this?
Where are you getting this shit from? Did you count the number of people you think are complaining after playing the demo?
You're literally just pulling this shit from your ass, and then telling people not to take it as a mass proclamation about a generalized group of GAFers you refuse to define.
Start naming names, or stop wasting people's time with such points.
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
As a dad, I would simply disable chat if he wasn't playing with friends.
Also as a dad, I can say that "obviously you're not a parent" is the dumbest argument ever.
Also as a dad, I can say that "obviously you're not a parent" is the dumbest argument ever.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Well, this particular parentgaf thinks that while some coop games are greatly enhanced by voice chat, Splatoon is not one of them. And giving players the option because 'it's a fucking option, can't you see?!!' is about as original as whining why online chess does not have voice chat.
I already asked you this but who are these people? Or are you just making random assumptions out of everyone who disagrees with you?
how about you stop being a fucking prick with the parenting bullshit? Seriously.
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
Yes, unfortunately, and there was a thread the other day where people were defending that too.
The great irony in your post is that, you say Splatoon isn't enhanced by voice chat yet you wouldn't actually know because...it doesn't have voice chat. So how'd you reach that conclusion?
Umm no not really, you see defense arguements like this in almost any exclusive game topic. Remember Order 1886 and people defending it's length, or Halo MCC when people were defending the game not working for a long ass time, these things happen in all threads. There is always going to be a defense force for everything, it's pretty much Neogaf rule numero uno.
I do think it's good to have "no voice chat" as standard for Nintendo's online play on titles with a low age rating (given Nintendo family friendly image).
...on the flipside there's nothing to stop Nintendo charging a small fee to activate voice chat via credit card for adult gamers/gamers who have their parents permission.
..and then seperate both those groups during online play.
Holy Christ this thread. My god.
Having played the Stress Test yesterday, anyone who says this game doesn't need voice chat is drunk. It absolutely does. I played through 5 or 6 matches where my team or the opposite team spent more time protecting one specific area opposed to branching out and taking the rest of the map which consisted of a dramatically larger surface area because they didn't understand what they were doing. Telling people where to go and what you're doing, basic communication, basic strategy, goes a long way.
I mean, I'll say this much, Nintendo restricting ranked online until you hit level 10 was smart because there are going to be a TON of people getting absolutely smoked by people who can coordinate themselves with their teammates to the point where the matchmaking is going to be split between people who get it and people who don't.
Online Chess DOES have voice chat...
Oppo
Member
I tried it at PAX, I don't see how chat would make anything worse. Which is sort of the point.
Imagine an alternate reality where Splatoon shipped with good voice chat functions, and someone created a thread saying "WTF., Why is chat in there? Nintendo really should have taken that feature out!!". It would go immediately into the Thread Backfire hall of fame.
I'm not letting my kid voice chat in any game. If a dev wants it in, that's ok, I'll mute it at the system level (if possible). If they don't want it in, that's ok too.
This is a great post. It's something I wish a lot more people understood.
No, it's understandable. Children are people too.
I think I understand it, but I don't think I get the point outside of the first couple of sentences in the second paragraph.
People keep bring up kids as an excuse for why the lack of voice chat is acceptable. Talking about parenting is going to fall under that umbrella.
It's not being a prick to state the reality.
This entire problem hinges on the fact that some people want Nintendo to do their parenting for them. That it's a game marketed toward children, and therefore Nintendo is right to prevent voice chat.
And yet you have people defending it trying to say they don't know of console games that even have the option, and who have kids but cannot even google for one second the answer to the problem.
The problem therefore IS THE PARENT. Who else is at fault? You tell me.
it's creepy on all levels. A grown man yucking it up with kids on a game...yikes.
You people do realize, the point of splattoon is not to shoot the other person, right?
That you dont need to try and and tell people where the opposing team is, you have no information whatsoever at all, that anyone else cant instantly see, at all times, updating in real time, telling them exactly all the information anyone could possibly need?
What do you think your voice would bring to the table?
Isn't there a DM mode besides the standard Turf Mode?
Relaxed Muscle
Member
R_thanatos
Member
It's an ad i saw on TV in my country , might be true , or i might have misunderstood as i don't play MH on New 3ds.. I'm sorry i can't help ... but my point was that chat on consoles is now expected by many , and everyone seems to want to embrace it.
Rainmaker might be one but currently no. Granted you're going to kind of want to splat people in Splat Zones because its basically defend your spot.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
I've played enough online games to have a clue what might and might not have practical uses for voice chat, outside of yelling 'you idiots!' at my pals?
Wow, you're a nut!