Life is Strange | Spoiler Thread

I'm just gonna crosspost from the OT because I have no idea what we're using anymore:

WHAAAAAAAAAAAT YEAAH

WELCOME TO THE CRIPPLE CREW CHLOE

Can we keep this one? I liker her. She's cute and nice and disabled. like me.

Really though, y'all know they're going back on it. We'll explore this timeline a bit, find out something important, then go back somehow. Still, glad they did this. I was wondering why they were making Chloe a raging ableist because it seemed intentional; when we got this ironic twist i was like "ohhhhh" and laughed my ass off. That disability fund was way too small for a school with no elevators, no ramps or lifts, no ADA dorm rooms w/ accessible bathrooms, and no disabled stalls though. Maybe intentional.
 
What kind of monster would throw the bone at the road?

Also you guys should watch The Butterfly Effect is you haven't already. I love stories like this.
 
The part in Episode 1, where you have to get into the dormitory but Victoria is on the steps makes me feel like Max is just an awful person.

Unless I'm missing something, your only way through is to rig up the paint can to fall and splash Victoria, leaving Samuel the janitor to take the blame.

a. The paint can could have just as easily landed on Victoria's head and injured or even killed her.

b. It's just super passive aggressive.

c. You let Samuel take the fall. When Max talks to Samuel she is super friendly and seems to regard him as a hard worker who is treated unfairly for being different, which makes her seem like a straight up sociopath for framing him and putting him in a situation where he could be reprimanded or even lose his job.

d. Afterwards your options are to make fun of Victoria, which is obviously shitty, or be unbelievably fake and pretend to feel sympathy for her for something you just secretly did to her.
 
I actually kinda felt for David when they were all ganging up on him and rewound to go on his side. It looks like he is going through alot of stuff and just wants control of whats going on. He is obviously going overboard with it but I thought he had good intentions.
 
CaptainAhab said:
The part in Episode 1, where you have to get into the dormitory but Victoria is on the steps makes me feel like Max is just an awful person.

Unless I'm missing something, your only way through is to rig up the paint can to fall and splash Victoria, leaving Samuel the janitor to take the blame.

a. The paint can could have just as easily landed on Victoria's head and injured or even killed her.

b. It's just super passive aggressive.

c. You let Samuel take the fall. When Max talks to Samuel she is super friendly and seems to regard him as a hard worker who is treated unfairly for being different, which makes her seem like a straight up sociopath for framing him and putting him in a situation where he could be reprimanded or even lose his job.

d. Afterwards your options are to make fun of Victoria, which is obviously shitty, or be unbelievably fake and pretend to feel sympathy for her for something you just secretly did to her.
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I think you're over thinking the Samuel thing. At least I don't think the writers even took him into account really. None of the characters really seem to say anything to him about it so it's clear he doesn't really end up in trouble.

It's just a prank against someone that's a really fucking awful person. Why is it shitty to make fun of her in this situation when she's busy torturing Kate and fucking with the romantic lives of Dana and Whatsherface just for shits and giggles?
 
Corpekata said:
I think you're over thinking the Samuel thing. At least I don't think the writers even took him into account really. None of the characters really seem to say anything to him about it.

It's just a prank against someone that's a really fucking awful person. Why is it shitty to make fun of her in this situation when she's busy torturing Kate and fucking with the romantic lives of Dana and Whatsherface just for shits and giggles?
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The bolded is a problem for me.

Samuel gets really upset and apologizes to Victoria, who yells at him. Max just stands there and watches.

I guess I think it is shitty to make fun of her because I wanted Max to be a bigger person than Victoria, but you don't get an option for that.

I actually left that scene having more respect for Victoria than Max, because at least Victoria is honest about being shitty. And if you are nice to her, albeit disingenuously nice, she actually feels guilty for cyber bullying Max and takes the picture down. Max never apologizes for dumping a paint can on her.

It bothered me the first time through, so replaying it I knew what was coming and I watched the scene through Samuel's eyes. It's just awful behavior on Max's part and unless I'm wrong she isn't held accountable.

Max is kind of an awful, fake person in general. She is constantly snooping into everyone else's business. Constantly rewinding time to manipulate people into thinking she is cooler and smarter than she actually is. She is judgmental about people she barely knows and is a gossip monger. She is very passive aggressive. She literally bends space and time to put her and her friends at an advantage, leaving everyone else a victim or collateral damage.

I also think she is bad at photography, which is mind-blowing when you consider that she can rewind time.

I think the game's messaging is directly at odds with the way it relies on conventional adventure gameplay.
 
Arnschent said:
I actually kinda felt for David when they were all ganging up on him and rewound to go on his side. It looks like he is going through alot of stuff and just wants control of whats going on. He is obviously going overboard with it but I thought he had good intentions.
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I tried both options, David first, and I thought Max was so on point with her anti-David rant that I couldn't go back. Even Joyce was appalled, haha.
 
Arnschent said:
I actually kinda felt for David when they were all ganging up on him and rewound to go on his side. It looks like he is going through alot of stuff and just wants control of whats going on. He is obviously going overboard with it but I thought he had good intentions.
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i laughed through the whole thing, if they had kept David on my good side after episode 2 where he tried to explain his actions i might have felt differently, but nope
 
Let me just see if I understood several things from Ep 3 correctly.

Going off the files on the Principle's computer, Nathan confides in David Madsen? He gave David a drawing of "Rachael in the dark room". Presumably Mr Jefferson's dark room, which he has, because Max makes a comment on Warren's photo that 'he probably developed this in Mr Jefferson's dark room'. If I understand this correctly, this ties Nathan, David, Jefferson & Principle all together regarding Rachael Amber's disappearance? I currently think Amber got killed in Jefferson's dark room, and at least Nathan and the Principle are involved, if not also Jefferson.


I guess there's still an outside chance that David is just trying to gain Nathan's trust for his investigation into the drugs/vortex club (which contains his spying on both Amber and Kate), but he isn't actually involved in Amber's disappearance. I think in Ep 2 David independently reported Kate's video to the Principle. Because of this I think he is trying to get to the bottom of things, and will end-up being a good guy.


Frank is the guy Rachael met who was going to change her life? Really? A druggie? And what did Frank do to her in the letter that made her mad at him? Hit her? Rape her? If Frank's getting painted as the big bad, then what possible reason would Frank be at the dark room to murder Rach?
 
no words for that ending


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WTF dat ending.

WTF.

Legit shoock. I can't deal with this. Warren hook up with the other girl? NOT LIKE THIS.

ARGH the wait for Episode 4 is gonna be a nightmare.
 
Arnschent said:
I actually kinda felt for David when they were all ganging up on him and rewound to go on his side. It looks like he is going through alot of stuff and just wants control of whats going on. He is obviously going overboard with it but I thought he had good intentions.
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I didn't want to destroy the family and felt sorry for Joyce so I chose David side.
 
I got so pissed when I realized they were gonna cut off the episode there... Such a cliff-hanger.

Ughhh...okay, well I'm still on team...Rachel...is trapped in a photo...that's being kept in Mr. Jefferson's dark room...

This plot is cray.
 
Finished Episode 3.

Believe it or not, I'm actually not that surprised by the ending. I guess this is kinda what happens when I play this just right off of finishing Chrono Cross last week which is just full of time travel pessimism.

That handicap fund irony though.
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Tcab96 said:
Curious. How do you think Max should've handled that situation?
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A. Go to an authority figure and tell them that a student is denying access to the dormitory.

B. Rather than be passive aggressive and implicate Samuel, or also risk the paint can falling on Victoria's head, Max could have just picked the paint can up and poured paint on Victoria.

C. Wait patiently until Victoria leaves. It would have been pathetic, but honest.


But that's not how Max works. She lets Samuel take the fall, disingenuously ingratiates herself to Victoria (or alternatively stoops to her level), and then THE NEXT SCENE has Max break into Victoria's room and snoop through her shit, print stuff off her laptop, the whole time making snide comments about her looks and money.

In episode 1 Victoria makes fun of Max and posts a photo of her on the internet (a totally non-embarassing photo of Max just standing there) and then feels bad and takes it down.

Max on the other hand uses her superpower to take Victoria's answer in class, an answer that Victoria presumably got by, like, actually fucking studying photography, then Max dumps a paint can on her, and THEN breaks into her room and snoops through her shit. Which would all be fine if the writing didn't constantly make excuses for or ignore Max's bad behavior while simultaneously vilifying anyone who slights her.
 
Man they really nailed that "Day after-feeling" in the beginning of Ep. 3, fml. :(

I knew that Victoria was a bitch, but jesus.

Chloe was really likeable this time. But i dont see here and noir angel happening yet.

That ending was... a thing. I dont really have anything to say about that.

Dontnod has the ability to retcon and undo everything they or the player did in the game so far, now that makoto max can go so far back in time. I hope they dont do that.



Oh and i killed my plant by giving her too much water? Thats what i get for remembering that i had to water her? Fu for ruining my experience dontnod.
 
Arnschent said:
I actually kinda felt for David when they were all ganging up on him and rewound to go on his side. It looks like he is going through alot of stuff and just wants control of whats going on. He is obviously going overboard with it but I thought he had good intentions.
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What took me out of that scene was how quickly Joyce sided with the girls against her husband. That didn't feel realistic to me unless she's always had unvoiced suspicions about David's behavior.
 
So, what do you guys think, is there a chance that the end is only a dream?

I mean if i remember correctly Max was lying on her bed when she looked at the picture. A dream about stuff like this would probably be something that is to be expected in her position, and that last conversation with Chloe could certainly be a trigger for it, since they talked about that last moment with her father. That would also explain why her power was different this time around and that she didn't really have a choice for another decision since it was/is a nightmare.
She would now be in this new timeline and would be unable to revert it back, this kind of dream would probably make her more aware of the affect that her decisions might have even far from the moment they were made, which could could be something of a turnaround in the way she would be willing to use her power.
Don't know, it could also be used for max to get aware of her own feelings towards Chloe and Warren. Would she for example be bothered/jealous seeing Warren with that other girl? What about her feelings for Chloe?

I don't know, i don't really believe it is a dream, but i'm also not sure they would be willing to bring this new dimension of her power to the table, because if she really would be able to use it in that way, it would change a lot going forward since basicaly everything could be tinkered with, and this could go a SteinsGate way which i do not believe it will.
Up until now i thought her her ability is constrained from the time she first used it/dreamed about it until the moment of the storm.
 
Dinda said:
So, what do you guys think, is there a chance that the end is only a dream?

I mean if i remember correctly Max was lying on her bed when she looked at the picture. A dream about stuff like this would probably be something that is to be expected in her position, and that last conversation with Chloe could certainly be a trigger for it, since they talked about that last moment with her father. That would also explain why her power was different this time around and that she didn't really have a choice for another decision since it was/is a nightmare.
She would now be in this new timeline and would be unable to revert it back, this kind of dream would probably make her more aware of the affect that her decisions might have even far from the moment they were made, which could could be something of a turnaround in the way she would be willing to use her power.
Don't know, it could also be used for max to get aware of her own feelings towards Chloe and Warren. Would she for example be bothered/jealous seeing Warren with that other girl? What about her feelings for Chloe?

I don't know, i don't really believe it is a dream, but i'm also not sure they would be willing to bring this new dimension of her power to the table, because if she really would be able to use it in that way, it would change a lot going forward since basicaly everything could be tinkered with, and this could go a SteinsGate way which i do not believe it will.
Up until now i thought her her ability is constrained from the time she first used it/dreamed about it until the moment of the storm.
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No way it is a dream. That would be so lame. In addition the way they showed those dead whales to me indicates that the hurricane is still a real thing happening in that time line as well.

What I think is that this Max's new power has the following restriction: she needs a photo which she appears in and she can only affect things in the immident vicinity of the scene the photo shows. So maybe in the next episode you will go back to the selfie you took with Chloe on the bed and do something? Or maybe go back to some other photo and stop Chloe from getting disabled? I mean Max's belongings seem to ignore time and space so she still would have the photo with blue haired Chloe. Also seems an easy way to make Chloe believe that Max has the power in that new timeline as well.

Man that was a powerful scene with Chloe on the wheelchair. Completely out of the bush. I thought the big revelation was just that they had moved in that new time line.
 
Sendou said:
Man that was a powerful scene with Chloe on the wheelchair. Completely out of the bush. I thought the big revelation was just that they had moved in that new time line.
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Same here. I thought I had it all figured out, Chloe's family wouldn't be there and Max would be the one that got "left behind" in this new timeline. But what they did instead was actually much better.
 
Reedirect said:
Same here. I thought I had it all figured out, Chloe's family wouldn't be there and Max would be the one that got "left behind" in this new timeline. But what they did instead was actually much better.
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One thing about that scene was the house being completely painted. I just though they had repainted it for whatever reason but I never noticed that in the original timeline the house had been left unpainted.
 
Epiosde 3 goes full on butterfly effect by the end.
Are the changes enough to overcome the one percent divergence gap and prevent the storm?
And will anybody here understand my anime refrences?

Anyway, it's interesting that everybody seems to like Rachel,including the bad guys.
Max powers seems to be with her passion for photography , I guess that her orgin or whatever( more obscure anime refrences ftw).
I read somewhere that Rachel was very into fashion,so maybe she got powers based on that and was so popular because of it?
 
Sendou said:
No way it is a dream. That would be so lame. In addition the way they showed those dead whales to me indicates that the hurricane is still a real thing happening in that time line as well.

What I think is that this Max's new power has the following restriction: she needs a photo which she appears in and she can only affect things in the immident vicinity of the scene the photo shows. So maybe in the next episode you will go back to the selfie you took with Chloe on the bed and do something? Or maybe go back to some other photo and stop Chloe from getting disabled? I mean Max's belongings seem to ignore time and space so she still would have the photo with blue haired Chloe. Also seems an easy way to make Chloe believe that Max has the power in that new timeline as well.

Man that was a powerful scene with Chloe on the wheelchair. Completely out of the bush. I thought the big revelation was just that they had moved in that new time line.
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I know what you mean, and i agree that it would be lame. However what you are describing is basically exactly why i thought that I can't see them going there. It would make things totally messy.

Max keeps her inventory when she reverts time yes, but how would you be able to go back to the selfie with Chloe? The only way would be to completely rewind and change the fact that her father died that day again. Otherwise you would go to a picture from a different timeline changing something that never happened in the timeline you are in. Yes you may have the picture, but that doesn't change the fact that you need her father dead that it even comes to this scene. The only other way would be to use the pictures as entry points for the timelines with all the decisions that happened until the point the picture was taken, which again would be totally messy and inconsequent.

Just going back to the time of her accident would be equally messy since you again would have to deal with the new decision and the years of consequenes this would have which makes those changes happening years back such a hassle in the first place. And if they would just let you change it an nearly everything stayed that way? That would be dissapointing and lazy. changes would happen with such decisions.

Also, while Maxes inventory stays in timejumps those of the rest of the world doesn't. So no gun with Chloe or Frank etc, basically every decision you made, not involving your own knowledge or inventory would be obsolete in this timeline.

That's why i think that something like this would go beyond the scope they set with this game until now, and why i even think that it may be a dream.
 
In the end choices, there was something about some police notes being tampered with. Where was that and what was it exactly?
 
Solobbos said:
In the end choices, there was something about some police notes being tampered with. Where was that and what was it exactly?
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Chloe's house (present), downstairs, phone's answering machine. It was a policeman calling David about Chloe's car being ID'd when they left the school at night. You had the option to delete it from the phone.
 
Don't know if this has already been posted (at work, can't scan through whole thread) but has anyone else noticed a certain Dr Who cameo in this episode.....?

'The girl that exists out of time' and all that...

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Pepin said:
Don't know if this has already been posted (at work, can't scan through whole thread) but has anyone else noticed a certain Dr Who cameo in this episode.....?

'The girl that exists out of time' and all that...

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Didn't notice that but I caught more Holden Caulfield references like his hat and Max talking about phony people before the Principal's office. Nice find.
 
NeO JD said:
Didn't notice that but I caught more Holden Caulfield references like his hat and Max talking about phony people before the Principal's office. Nice find.
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I'm waiting to find a Maxwell Caulfield reference, like a poster for Grease 2 or something.
 
Dinda said:
I know what you mean, and i agree that it would be lame. However what you are describing is basically exactly why i thought that I can't see them going there. It would make things totally messy.

Max keeps her inventory when she reverts time yes, but how would you be able to go back to the selfie with Chloe? The only way would be to completely rewind and change the fact that her father died that day again. Otherwise you would go to a picture from a different timeline changing something that never happened in the timeline you are in. Yes you may have the picture, but that doesn't change the fact that you need her father dead that it even comes to this scene. The only other way would be to use the pictures as entry points for the timelines with all the decisions that happened until the point the picture was taken, which again would be totally messy and inconsequent.

Just going back to the time of her accident would be equally messy since you again would have to deal with the new decision and the years of consequenes this would have which makes those changes happening years back such a hassle in the first place. And if they would just let you change it an nearly everything stayed that way? That would be dissapointing and lazy. changes would happen with such decisions.

Also, while Maxes inventory stays in timejumps those of the rest of the world doesn't. So no gun with Chloe or Frank etc, basically every decision you made, not involving your own knowledge or inventory would be obsolete in this timeline.

That's why i think that something like this would go beyond the scope they set with this game until now, and why i even think that it may be a dream.
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Well first of all I would like to say that all the rules and limitations on Max's power's have been extremely storyline driven so far. So maybe trying to make sense of it is a waste of time. In addition as the latest episode showed speculating too much can easily be undone by some out of the blue writing.

I'm just thinking that Max created a whole new timeline with her decision of preventing William's death. And with the photos she may very well be able to travel between two timelines (the original, Timeline A, and the one where William's death was prevented, Timeline B) to a limit (which is that only certain photos work and she can't go very far in that scene). She also might be able to "destroy" a timeline she previously created by undoing her previous work when visiting a timeline. Like what would happen if she warped back to that bed with Chloe and Sam told her to stop herself from taking that photo from example? It seems that after you are done with the timeline visiting via photo the version of you just reverts back to Sam's older version. So the Sam in the timeline where William's dad was spared actually forgot about her 18-yo spiritual visitor. My proof to that is that it simply would have changed the world too much if it had gone down any other way.

Or maybe I'm just overanalyzing it or missing something obvious. For now I think what will go down next is some jumping between timelines.
 
Right I think I've nailed down the ending.

Whenever max uses her abilities, the end of the world effects are increased. The more severe her time travel, the greater the effects. She'll work out that she is the cause.

Then she'll go back in time to make sure she never existed, to save everyone else
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Failing that, she'll probably have to get multiple versions of her self to do stuff or something equally crazy
 
I am quite enjoying the way it plays and obviously i'm invested enough to want to see what happens but my god the characters are infuriatingly stupid and irritating.

To the point where i'm not sure if its parody or not. Are young Americans actually like that?
I won't believe it.

The overall plot is intriguing enough though.

I am downloading episode 3 now. Hope it delivers.
 
BGMNTS said:
I am quite enjoying the way it plays and obviously i'm invested enough to want to see what happens but my god the characters are infuriatingly stupid and irritating.

To the point where i'm not sure if its parody or not. Are young Americans actually like that?
I won't believe it.

The overall plot is intriguing enough though.

I am downloading episode 3 now. Hope it delivers.
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Episode 3 delivers I think - but yeah I have that same battle every time I play. It feels like it could both be a parody and a semi true representation of that kind of age group out on their own. It's utterly cringe worthy but I can't really tell since I have no idea what it is actually like for them
 
This game is amazing. First time since The Walking Dead (Season 1) I shed tears when playing a game. Less tears here, but still touching.

Random thoughts on episode 3:
- My plant died :( Now I'm afraid of overfeeding the bunny. But what if I underfeed it and bunny dies? Augh!
- I'm starting to think that the "photo for the contest" we have to turn in will be one of the photos we have taken during the game.
- Chloe is REALLY taking Rachel & Frank thing hard. I mean really hard. That combined with the kiss makes me wonder if Chloe is gay. Hm. I don't think it will be said out loud though, I don't think pushing that angle is the main focus of the game and staying silent about the subject would leave a lot of room for fan interpretations. I think this is just there to highlight why Chloe is going to such lengths for Rachel.
- I was scared they would get in a car crash with the way Chloe was speeding, after the dinner scene.
- I had that feeling of dread when Max was running down the street, when she was standing at the front of the house and there were no cars. The ending was really well done.

I think we are going back to "normal timeline" pretty fast. Just pushing a reset button "Haahaa, none of the choices you did mattered" would be a very cheap trick.
 
I kinda like how Chloe talks about her sexuality in the room with Max. Amber saved her from playing with boys and when Max asks if she had a crush on Amber she said Max would have a crush on her too if she knew her. I think that kinda clears up part of whether or not Chloe is Lesbian, Bi-sexual or straight.
 
Bayonetta said:
I kinda like how Chloe talks about her sexuality in the room with Max. Amber saved her from playing with boys and when Max asks if she had a crush on Amber she said Max would have a crush on her too if she knew her. I think that kinda clears up part of whether or not Chloe is Lesbian, Bi-sexual or straight.
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And how she looked away in the swimmingpool.
 
Greenpaint said:
- Chloe is REALLY taking Rachel & Frank thing hard. I mean really hard. That combined with the kiss makes me wonder if Chloe is gay. Hm. I don't think it will be said out loud though, I don't think pushing that angle is the main focus of the game and staying silent about the subject would leave a lot of room for fan interpretations. I think this is just there to highlight why Chloe is going to such lengths for Rachel.
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I don't think there's much open to fan interpretation. Chloe is at the very least bisexual.
 
Crazy theory that I'm pretty sure is not correct or even likely and I don't really want it to be anyways but if I don't get it out of my head I'll go nuts: (spoiler'ed in case you don't like speculation)

Chloe's angry at everyone for her dad being dead even though it's no one's fault. Max fixes this by saving Chloe's dad, but Chloe gets in a car accident instead. Clearly she needs to go back and fix this. Maybe Chloe's dad has to die. But how do we alleviate Chloe's rage and frustration? By giving her someone convenient to hate. Someone who won't be around when she's most wounded and ready to lash out. Someone who moves to Seattle shortly afterwards.

Max goes back in time again and gives Chloe's dad the car keys in front of Chloe.
 
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