Marvels Secret Wars by Hickman & Ribic |OT| Everything ends... Everything begins
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They're just stories that take place either right before the final incursion or different parts of Battleworld.
Like to the main plot or how it's related in any way?
LOL: The Issue.
But dat Gwen line at the cemetery /sogood
...I want to take care of my wallet man; don't do this to me! >_P<Battleworld #1: The Punisher possessed by Dr. Strange.
Multiverse MODOKs.
Magical
I laughed for an entire minute or two. Jesus lord almighty.
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#bookoftheweek
Did the Spider-Men and Women in Spider-Verse get a 7th sense in regards of detecting dimensional shenanigans? That what I am deducing in Spider-Verse #1.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Everyone everywhere is confused about Ultimate End. Bendis pls.
And speaking of here's an Old Man Logan preview.
And speaking of here's an Old Man Logan preview.
Yeah, I want to hope that the confusion will get resolved as an actual plot point, but at this point, I place even odds on it just being bendis being bendis and forgetting about the mindwipe
It reminds me of Elektro in Amazing Spiderman 2. Not a good look.
Can't really be a Marvel event unless half the tie-ins contradicts major plot points.
DashReindeer
Lead Community Manager, Outpost Games
Meh. I thought it wasn't all that interesting when I read it, and now that you lay everything from the issue out like that, it all feels really silly. In fact, that's been my biggest disappointment with all of Marvel's Secret Wars tie-ins this week: everything was over-the-top campy and played for laughs. The tone that basically all of the writers struck this week was with tongue firmly planted in cheek. I guess it really made all of the developments in Secret Wars feel like a whole lot of nonsense. Nothing had any real weight to it, and the stakes were just missing completely.
Maybe it's just the fact that I read Multiversity right before starting Secret Wars and I wanted a whole lot more of the depth provided by that series than the silly nonsense meanderings we're getting so far. While it's cool in a sort of "What if?" kind of way to see these characters and settings mashed up in this fashion, it's also just not had any of the weight or gravitas I would expect from such a universe ending Event.
Napoleonthechimp
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All these new titles are confusing as hell.
I miss the good ol' "New Avengers"/"Avengers" days...
I miss the good ol' "New Avengers"/"Avengers" days...
Buddha Beam
Banned
Planet Hulk was good.
It was not worth $4.99, though.
It was not worth $4.99, though.
Hickman stated in an interview that he wanted to do an Age of Apocalypse type thing with the entire Marvel line/universe. That's probably the closer comparison.
Alcoremortis
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Well, Peter Parker was also supposed to be on the raft, so wasn't there a theory running around that Doom might have replaced a bunch of them?
Then again, it's also possible the tie-ins might take place at different times in the continuity.
I don't think it can be their 616 counterparts. Wouldn't 616 Peter have already known about everyone in UU knowing his identity from his visit in Spider-Men?
Do you actually expect Bendis to remember some random story he wrote years ago?!?
Pilgrimzero
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Read a few of the new Secret War tie ins. So far only Deadpool and A-Force were good. With Spiderverse a close third.
I would like to see me old comics retold with Deadpool inserted into them.
It looked really amateurish/simple IMO. One image of Gwen has her face looked slanted. I'm sure it's just his style but it really threw me off.
I would like to see me old comics retold with Deadpool inserted into them.
It looked really amateurish/simple IMO. One image of Gwen has her face looked slanted. I'm sure it's just his style but it really threw me off.
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
i dont think so. the thors are sticklers for the rules.
Pilgrimzero
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Actually Spider-verse moves to #4, Master of Kung Fu was pretty good.
Napoleonthechimp
Member
There being multiple versions of characters is a little confusing.
Alcoremortis
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I mean that Ultimate End might take place recently after the creation of Battleworld and Planet Hulk might take place later on. We're just reading them at the same time.
If not him, is that not what editors are for?
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Yeah I think there's multiple versions of every charac.
This is very clear in Battleworld #1. Both stories actually. ;}
Coriolanus
Banned
If not him, is that not what editors are for?
Only for other writers. But really, expect nothing from comic editors and you'll still be disappointed.
Spidey is being vague on this as well; he opens up with a variation of his first line in Spider-Men (I used to love this city, while in Spider-Men he started with "I love this city") but reading his dialogue, it doesn't really mean he forgot about his first visit to the ulitmate universe. He still seems amazed about a lot of stuff and generally just peeved about how everyone knows about his identity.
Miles was strangely absent as well.
The way I see it is every character in every domain, including all of Manhattan, is a unique entity unless explicitly stated otherwise.
Both sets of life raft survivors are also unique from all others in Battleworld.
Cyclops, Spider-man, and Iron Man in Manhattan are copies or whatever because whoever/however Battleworld was created didn't factor in there being actual survivors of the end.
Both sets of life raft survivors are also unique from all others in Battleworld.
Cyclops, Spider-man, and Iron Man in Manhattan are copies or whatever because whoever/however Battleworld was created didn't factor in there being actual survivors of the end.
What I don't get is where this portal they opened came from? I mean there is no multiverse anymore, just battleword, so what was this portal that Ultimate Tony opened up?
Ultimate End feels like someone gave Bendis a very loose outline of what Secret Wars was going to be, he hand waved it off with a 'Yea yea yea, I get it' and then just wrote whatever the fuck he felt like.
Ultimate End feels like someone gave Bendis a very loose outline of what Secret Wars was going to be, he hand waved it off with a 'Yea yea yea, I get it' and then just wrote whatever the fuck he felt like.
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
Pretty much My stance on it.
Memento Mori
Member
I assumed the portal they were talking about was probably the one from the Spider-Men mini-series.
I think the portal was between the 616 and 1610 halves of Manhattan. It's against Doom's law to cross between domains unless permitted. That is if they actually are unique domains even though they are on the same floating island or whatever it is.
"Doom knows" refers to the fact that Doom and the Thorps found out. Fury's meeting was about the potential fallout.
DashReindeer
Lead Community Manager, Outpost Games
Yeah, I am just not familiar with this Hickman fellow. But I am not really talking about the main Secret Wars books, which actually did have at least a little weight to them. I'm mainly talking about all the tie-in issues this week that didn't seem to do much else beyond give some bits of silly fanservice (or in the case of Ultimate End, make no sense within the continuity of Secret Wars itself).
I guess the Age of Apocalypse comparison is more valid than Multiversity though that series was fresh in my mind when I went into this week's Secret Wars issues. Still, even Age of Apocalypse took itself much more seriously than these comics this week did. Everything seemed to be part of a gag, a tongue-in-cheek reference to different aspects of either Marvel Universe without really touching on why any of this is supposed to matter. It all just felt so light and lacking in impact that I kept wondering why we were really supposed to get invested in these stories.
Because they're good stories. I understand wanting a bit more levity with the tie in books but honestly Hickman has been serving that up in his books for years now. Personally I'm enjoying the atmosphere of most of these books so far.
exmachina64
Banned
Yep, sounds like a Bendis story.
Coriolanus
Banned
Given that Bendis was also the one guy that thought TIME TRAVEL GON TEAR A FABRIC IN SPACETIME because fuck if i'll learn how marvel TT works, that sorta talk in the issue didn't exactly inspire confidence either.
BKatastrophe
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Not even that, but the fact that she's also a criminal mastermind. Like, when did she become so high level? Not just in Silk either, but also Hawkeye vs. Deadpool.
both. like are all these books happening in the same "universe". Is Battleworld something that was created after the last incursion?
Coriolanus
Banned
Yes. All of the stories in BW are just happening all over the map.
Except for Deadpool's. Sadly.
I guess that's the most logical take on it.
Still, it's still confusing overall when you read the books for the first time
Could they be the hero's from the regency? Spiderman mentioned he had a family he needed to get back to. Could the regency just be a place where brand new day never happened?
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
if he crosses a border, hes sent to the wall
MHWilliams
Member
Nope, the Battleworld #1 and A-Force show that crossing over is an offense punishable by being sent into the Deadlands, I believe.
The Silver
Member
looking at the battleword map there's definitely some sort of divider between 616 and ultimate.
So yeah they probably weren't meant to mix and then Tony screwed up with that portal.
It did a very poor job of explaining that if it's the case, they're talking like they opened up a new universe
I think the pic of the city makes it even more confusing cause it looks like like they just jumbled up new york frm 616 and ultimate.
MHWilliams
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Hence the worry and the Thors.
I think that's what the problem is. Maybe 1610 Stark messed with the portal and accidentally merged what were two separate domains.
Fury says something about "sending them back."
and Ult Hawkeye is worried about "Doom finding out about the mess they've made."
OH and maybe it ends up in a fight between 616 and 1610 because Doom decrees only one 'universe' can remain in what is now a singular domain as punishment.
Edit: and IF 616 actually does kill off 1610 in this scenario it still means Miles and The Maker make it over after Secret Wars because they were on the life rafts.
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