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[Parallax]

This is like saying "yeah, but this diarrhea splashed out like Free Willy coming in for a landing and started seeping out under the bathroom door. This other turd, though, it just coiled up and dried in place. Obviously the runny puddle of recycled Taco Hell is the victor here"

Yeah, youre full of shit my dude. Just stop.

 

[BKatastrophe]

Man, you really hate Lobo.

I can't respect a man who hates Brad Garret's true form

 

[The Silver]

Is Lobo supposed to be taken seriously? I only know him from the cartoons and he seemed like a parody of 90s extremeness.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

That's like hating the onion for not giving you accurate news

Why you hate lobo bobby

 

[iirate]

Is Lobo supposed to be taken seriously? I only know him from the cartoons and he seemed like a parody of 90s extremeness.

This is news to me, too. As someone who was outside of the whole 90s comic scene but still sort of looking in(I had a Wizard subscription, but was still a poor little kid who couldn't actually afford comics), I always assumed that Lobo was taking the piss out of the rest of the era.

 

[J10]

whats a lobo

 

[BKatastrophe]

whats a lobo

.

 

[MHWilliams]

This is news to me, too. As someone who was outside of the whole 90s comic scene but still sort of looking in(I had a Wizard subscription, but was still a poor little kid who couldn't actually afford comics), I always assumed that Lobo was taking the piss out of the rest of the era.

The original Lobo was meant to be taken seriously.

That evolved into this.

And then the 90's reboot was how most people remember him. But again, whole cloth reboot. Stripped the character to nothing and went in a completely different direction. the kind of shit people hate now. (CHANGE IS BAD! WHY????) He was intended as a jokey Wolverine/Punisher ripoff.

That fed back into his DCU appearances, which made no sense, because that Lobo is really weird in the normal DC universe. He's a mass-murderer who people ostensibly treat as a anti-hero, when he should be an outright villain.

Then they brought that version into the new 52, but hey... same damn problem.

Which is why the New 52 version went back to the original idea.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

It's Hickman. He delivers.

Until he doesn't.

 

[Mudcrab]

Until he doesn't.

Phoney pls.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Phoney pls.

Just preparing for the worst. Just in case. These major events don't have a good track record. Hickman does though.

 

[BKatastrophe]

Just preparing for the worst. Just in case. These major events don't have a good track record. Hickman does though.

The true Secret War is Hickman versus Marvel

 

[Sou Da]

The original Lobo was meant to be taken seriously.

Should have given him some tron lines and just made him a parody of modern age antiheroes.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

The true Secret War is Hickman versus Marvel

So what is the Secret Secret War?

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Deapool's Secret Secret Secret Wars

 

[Bearthgar]

Lobo is awesome. He's like a comedic 40k.

 

[Mindwipe]

Sorry all, but can someone help me out with a link to the post with the Ultimate Reed reading list? Have tried searching but my search fu is weak.

 

[Memento Mori]

Sorry all, but can someone help me out with a link to the post with the Ultimate Reed reading list? Have tried searching but my search fu is weak.

There isn't much more than Ultimate Doomsday and Hickman's Ultimates.

 

[Gambit 1138]

This was the biggest load of bullshit I ever read in comics:

Lobo should have fucking SNAPPED him

 

[Deleted member 13876]

There isn't much more than Ultimate Doomsday and Hickman's Ultimates.

Ultimate Fantastic Four if you want to go for the slow burn. Doomsday's the name of the collected arc. It breaks down into

Ultimate Enemy #1-4
Ultimate Mystery #1-4
Ultimate Doom #1-4

 

[Memento Mori]

I suppose Ultimate Fallout #4(?) as well for the Doomsday epilogue. I think it's #4.

 

[Toa TAK]

Be ready to witness the best Reed, Mindwipe.

 

[Sinatar]

This was the biggest load of bullshit I ever read in comics:

Lobo should have fucking SNAPPED him

Can't snap adamantium bub.

Also Lobo sucks.

 

[shiftplusone]

It's Hickman. He delivers.

wasn't infinity his last event

I was fully expecting greatness all during infinity and then all of a sudden

 

[Memento Mori]

I wasn't a massive fan of Infinity as it was being released but it reads much better when you read it all together.

 

[Manmademan]

This was the biggest load of bullshit I ever read in comics:



Lobo should have fucking SNAPPED him

This is probably worse, since it wasn't fan voted. Wolverine has no adamantium here btw.

 

[BKatastrophe]

This was the biggest load of bullshit I ever read in comics:



Lobo should have fucking SNAPPED him

This is probably worse, since it wasn't fan voted. Wolverine has no adamantium here btw.

The Main Man gettin shafted again

 

[Bobby Roberts]

, I always assumed that Lobo was taking the piss out of the rest of the era.

he seemed like a parody of 90s extremeness.

He was never a parody. He just sucked.

MH laid out how misguided almost every step of his existence has been pretty cleanly.

I can't respect a man who hates Brad Garret's true form

This was pretty good, though.

 

[Gambit 1138]

If Lobo sucks so much then how comes he has a movie in active development?

 

[googleplex]

Ultimate Fantastic Four if you want to go for the slow burn. Doomsday's the name of the collected arc. It breaks down into

Ultimate Enemy #1-4
Ultimate Mystery #1-4
Ultimate Doom #1-4

Ultimate Doom was Amazing up until that bullshit ass pull ending. Ultimate Reed wrecked the shit out of the entire world And all of the hero's that went up against him effortlessly. Ultimate Reed was scarey Mo'Fo because he's a young Reed Richards unbound by morality.

Reed Richards is the most dangerous man walking the Marvel universe and everyone else should be truly thankful that he has his Family to keep him grounded

 

[Sadist]

If Lobo sucks so much then how comes he has a movie in active development?

They make movies about everything these days.

 

[DeathyBoy]

wasn't infinity his last event

I was fully expecting greatness all during infinity and then all of a sudden

I'm sorry, I lost it at 'train derailed.'

 

[iirate]

The original Lobo was meant to be taken seriously.

He was never a parody. He just sucked.

MH laid out how misguided almost every step of his existence has been pretty cleanly.

Good to know - thanks.

 

[Mindwipe]

Ultimate Fantastic Four if you want to go for the slow burn. Doomsday's the name of the collected arc. It breaks down into

Ultimate Enemy #1-4
Ultimate Mystery #1-4
Ultimate Doom #1-4

Thanks. I read Ultimatum again too because I'd forgotten just how fucking bad it was.

 

[Simply Sarah]

Thanks. I read Ultimatum again too because I'd forgotten just how fucking bad it was.

I am so, so sorry.

 

[DeathyBoy]

I am so, so sorry.

The best thing about Ultimatum? It doesn't even work as a 'destroy it and let them rebuild' enterprise because immediately they got Mark Millar back and he told some of the dumbest comic-book stories of all time that were so inept they had to restart AGAIN with Hickman in charge. And despite Hickman doing an awesome job, Marvel saw the sales were dropping and they yanked him off the book to stop it from killing his career.

But that's the thing, the only time The Ultimates book was genuinely good was when Hickman was writing it. Millar's is... I guess it kinda works as a deconstruction, but dear God has it aged badly.

 

[Simply Sarah]

The best thing about Ultimatum? It doesn't even work as a 'destroy it and let them rebuild' enterprise because immediately they got Mark Millar back and he told some of the dumbest comic-book stories of all time that were so inept they had to restart AGAIN with Hickman in charge. And despite Hickman doing an awesome job, Marvel saw the sales were dropping and they yanked him off the book to stop it from killing his career.

But that's the thing, the only time The Ultimates book was genuinely good was when Hickman was writing it. Millar's is... I guess it kinda works as a deconstruction, but dear God has it aged badly.

Honestly, if Ultimate End had just been Ultimatum reprinted I would have smirked and given it a thumbs up. Sure, some good stories were still told after it happened, but it really was something that the Ultimate universe had very little chance to recover from.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

Not sure it's been discussed yet, but there's this great article that covers the history of the Ultimate universe. What made it great, what made it fail. A couple of creators were interviewed, but Loeb refused if there were questions about Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum.

http://www.vulture.com/2015/05/secret-history-of-ultimate-marvel.html

Especially thought this was a cool bit of insight:

The history of Ultimate Marvel is, in a way, a story about warring approaches to a reboot: Bendis’s and Millar’s. Bendis wanted to polish the old archetypes; Millar wanted to aggressively critique them. Bendis sought timeless stories; Millar craved biting contemporary political critique. Bendis was looking to inspire; Millar aimed to disquiet. As Bendis put it: “I’m writing about hope and he’s writing about nihilism, and I know he doesn’t always think he is, but he is. Constantly.”

 

[Slayven]

Can't snap adamantium bub.

Also Lobo sucks.

You triggered my trap card

 

[ViewtifulJC]

That was such a weird ass issue

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Not sure it's been discussed yet, but there's this great article that covers the history of the Ultimate universe. What made it great, what made it fail. A couple of creators were interviewed, but Loeb refused if there were questions about Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum.

http://www.vulture.com/2015/05/secret-history-of-ultimate-marvel.html

Especially thought this was a cool bit of insight:

That's a really cool link, thanks for sharing it

 

[Slayven]

That was such a weird ass issue

THank god Whizkid was there

 

[Mac the KNife]

Not sure it's been discussed yet, but there's this great article that covers the history of the Ultimate universe. What made it great, what made it fail. A couple of creators were interviewed, but Loeb refused if there were questions about Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum.

http://www.vulture.com/2015/05/secret-history-of-ultimate-marvel.html

Especially thought this was a cool bit of insight:

Thanks for sharing. Reminded me how awesome bankrupted Marvel was.

 

[Toa TAK]

Not sure it's been discussed yet, but there's this great article that covers the history of the Ultimate universe. What made it great, what made it fail. A couple of creators were interviewed, but Loeb refused if there were questions about Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum.

http://www.vulture.com/2015/05/secret-history-of-ultimate-marvel.html

Especially thought this was a cool bit of insight:

Thanks for linking this.

 

[Slayven]

Not sure it's been discussed yet, but there's this great article that covers the history of the Ultimate universe. What made it great, what made it fail. A couple of creators were interviewed, but Loeb refused if there were questions about Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum.

http://www.vulture.com/2015/05/secret-history-of-ultimate-marvel.html

Especially thought this was a cool bit of insight:

good read, shame they couldn't get mroe indepth interviews

 

[Mudcrab]

Not sure it's been discussed yet, but there's this great article that covers the history of the Ultimate universe. What made it great, what made it fail. A couple of creators were interviewed, but Loeb refused if there were questions about Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum.

http://www.vulture.com/2015/05/secret-history-of-ultimate-marvel.html

Especially thought this was a cool bit of insight:

That was a good read. Thanks for sharing, Nils.

Miles wasn’t just an Afro-Latino Peter Parker. He was his own person, kind and quiet, reluctant to stand out and perpetually struggling with self-doubt — in many ways, an even more believable teenager than Ultimate Peter had been.

I liked this line. There's a reason why Miles is so successful.

 

[Sadist]

Not sure it's been discussed yet, but there's this great article that covers the history of the Ultimate universe. What made it great, what made it fail. A couple of creators were interviewed, but Loeb refused if there were questions about Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum.

http://www.vulture.com/2015/05/secret-history-of-ultimate-marvel.html

Especially thought this was a cool bit of insight:

Well as Bendis actually wrote the best storyline in the Ultimate Universe, Bendis seems like he wanted to do cool stuff. Sad to hear about Millar being al depressing. Allthough I'm still disappointed about how he ended Ultimate Spider-Man two months ago. Very weird.

 

[bengraven]

The history of Ultimate Marvel is, in a way, a story about warring approaches to a reboot: Bendis’s and Millar’s. Bendis wanted to polish the old archetypes; Millar wanted to aggressively critique them.

This was pretty obvious, which is why I previously referred to Millar as a sociopath. Ultimate Spider-man was fantastic - a proper reboot for the modern age, while Ultimates was basically "let's make the iconic heros assholes and psychopaths and incestual" and Ultimate X-men, while fun, was "let's take the X-men and slam their faces into the cement over and over and over again while fucking with your favorite characters".

 

[shadyspace]

Brit comic book writers sure do hate superheroes.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

Well as Bendis actually wrote the best storyline in the Ultimate Universe, Bendis seems like he wanted to do cool stuff. Sad to hear about Millar being al depressing. Allthough I'm still disappointed about how he ended Ultimate Spider-Man two months ago. Very weird.

It's also telling how in the midst of the oppressing bleakness that was Ultimatum, the Spider-Man tie-in was all about hope and Jonah realizing what a fucking dick he's been by trying to stomp on a selfless Spider-Man to make himself feel better.

Really made me appreciate his character to as opposed to the cartoonish 616 version who keeps shitting on him despite being shown firsthand time and time again he's a hero.