Especially when a lot of the characterization for Stella that's been released to public are in scenes/sequences of events that are no longer in Final Fantasy XV e.g. Niflheim crashing the party where Stella and Noctis were.
Stella has been removed from FFXV; Itamuro writing game; Demo 2 June 9; FFXV not @ E3
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Especially when a lot of the characterization for Stella that's been released to public are in scenes/sequences of events that are no longer in Final Fantasy XV e.g. Niflheim crashing the party where Stella and Noctis were.
wolfhowwl
Banned
More like an iPhone.
Astral Dog
Member
agree, but other people insisted these weren't meaningful changes and the game was still going to be relatively intact from the first days of Versus.
They followed development closer than i sooo
i guess you could view the glass half full or half empty.
threelights
Member
They didn't even mentioned his name when talking about the staff...
Grieves
Member
This is the biggest thing I'm taking away from this.
I've lost a lot of interest in FFXV as a lot of what I was interested in from the versus reveal seems to have already been removed / changed. FFXIII is the only FF that I sold and I didn't even bother with FFXIII-2 and LR...but I'm still a fan of the Kingdom Hearts series.
By now we should have had BBS2 and KH3 but the staff keep getting drafted onto shitty FF projects.
.... On one hand I don't see how the dialogue in Dissidia could've been anything but horrible, On the other, they managed to floor me with how terrible the dialogue in the PSP dissidias despite having that in mind.
*sigh*
I suppose I needed to add more words.
My statement is that FF15 will be a story handed from one arse writer/conceptor to another arse writer/conceptor. From the Vs13 days I wasn't very optimistic about Vs13 having a good story at all, despite those who crowed about the appeal of the setting. So I don't think that this story is 'ruined' now. I think the story was likely to be mediocre to begin with.
I made a comment to a friend of mine earlier this year. That of notable JRPGs upcoming and out, Xenoblade Chronicles will have best world and exploration, FF15 will have the best gameplay, and Persona 5 will have the best story. I'll have to amend that to FF15 having the best graphics, and Star Ocean 5 having the best gameplay. lol
DrROBschiz
Member
I dont know WHY they decided to jump into feedback loops this late in the game
I realize they are trying to adjust to Demo critics but there has to be a point where you just make the damn game
But the original Kingdom Hearts Staff didn't do BBS it was the Osaka team and there working on KH 3.
NoctisVsStar
Member
I was always under the impression she got renamed or rebooted.. Well she got rebooted.
That Dude John
Member
new team attack
jesus
threelights
Member
I don't think we'll be seeing many more KH game from that team. I doubt anyone but the Osaka team will make them now. Specially if Nomura does leave SE after all the stuff with XV...
Read the thread, Dissidia's script writer isn't writing XV
When the game was first announced it was presented with a serious Shakespearean style story that took itself very seriously. I feel like the game we're finally going to get will be a lot of fan service with a fluff story and world building.
I honestly hope I'm wrong but I have little confidence.
I honestly hope I'm wrong but I have little confidence.
i Agree with everything you said about the past games (FFXII making me the saddest due to how damaging a simple protagonist change can be), but I still hold out hope for this game.
I mean, the game isn't out yet, and until it is there is still a chance it could be good. I know, our standards have dropped severely that we are just hoping for a "good" FF game. But after FFXIII and its sequels.... yep, just please be good.
Nomura project would have took forever.
And this stuff either changed over the 8 years or a bit after Tabata and his team joined on.
It would make sense if they wouldn't kick out the person whose project they were supposed to be brushing up.
DrROBschiz
Member
I dont know how they are going to make any money on this game at this point
MultiJhonny
Banned
Because its pretty much only been in full development since 2011, then they switched in 2012 to just PS4 and Xbone, where Tabata was made co director, so its probably a big possibility that Nomura could have known of some of these changes before him leaving. So it wasn't a matter of finishing up.
ChasingComets
Member
This was always at the back of my mind as well. No offence to the Osaka team, but I really would've liked to see the original band get back together for the 3rd entry, asides from KH2FM's combat just being that much more superior to the later entries.
NoctisVsStar
Member
The feedback was nothing but a smokescreen to make it seem like they actually hearing fans out when in reality all these changes have been planned internally.
The Last One
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Spehornoob
Member
I understand that they want to implement feedback. but at some point they've got to just finalize their concepts and finish the thing, for better or worse.
They aren't. They 100% aren't.
And you know how Japanese developers are, they usually make engines and assets per game and then completely remake them for the next game.
If this game doesn't have a sequel, it will probably be a huge financial disappointment
I mean, it's VERY obvious that they don't want to keep dealing with this messed up game so they are going to release it soon and then move on without all this baggage.
A shame, this was one of my most anticipated games since the announcement of the Fabulla Nova Crystallis thing...
A shame, this was one of my most anticipated games since the announcement of the Fabulla Nova Crystallis thing...
DrROBschiz
Member
An updated demo is a smokescreen?
Seems like a expensive and distracting smokesrceen to me
Stereogatari
Banned
RIP
NoctisVsStar
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LouisaFerre
Member
I had more faith in Nomura and what he seemed to be going for, and I'm really disappointed that I'm not going to get that. Honestly though, I understand that even if what *I* personally wanted from his vision was possible, making the entirety of his vision while still meeting budgetary constraints and FF production values just wasn't viable for SE. I do respect how practical Tabata seems to be and I have faith in him to make a good game. It's just sad to me because now I do not at all think that the final product will hold anywhere near the same significance or value to me as what I thought I was going to get just a year ago.
It still doesn't explain the slight change in name and look. The story changed? So what?
Grieves
Member
My mistake, I thought they meant the Osaka team were helping out with FFXV.
I'll get my coat.
The biggest disappointment is that the whole 'road trip theme' seems to be the entirety of the game now; I loved the 2011 stuff and everything before that. And now they cut another female character or at least redesign her + give her an entirely new purpose.
The staff having FF13/14 members now doesn't make things better tbh. I'll wait for the next trailer but damn if this short ATR didn't damper a lot of my excitement for XV. Nomura's vision shown in the first trailers is what made me interested in the first place.
The staff having FF13/14 members now doesn't make things better tbh. I'll wait for the next trailer but damn if this short ATR didn't damper a lot of my excitement for XV. Nomura's vision shown in the first trailers is what made me interested in the first place.
Leafhopper
Banned
I gave up thinking they were going to make profit on this game a long time ago.
PurpleSquid
Neo Member
Doesnt really sound like we're getting nomura's original vision anymore. Also getting the writers from dissidia? Yikes, if I was them I wouldnt have said dissidia, woulsve mentioned a different game they worked on but the story in dissidia is hot garbage
TheGreatDirector
Banned
Pretty sure in a fairly new concept art they showed him wearing it.
Acquiescence
Member
Rejig my memory, was Stella in the E3 '13 trailer?
Sad to see her go either way; I prefered her design to this new chick who's taken her place. Good lord, the development cycle of this game must be such a nightmare for all who are involved. What a shambles.
Sad to see her go either way; I prefered her design to this new chick who's taken her place. Good lord, the development cycle of this game must be such a nightmare for all who are involved. What a shambles.
QuiteWhittle
Member
FFXV will literally be Itamuro's first full writing credit. There was nothing else.
We assumed she was, but she was never mentioned by name IIRC.
So, since she was rebooted as Lunafreya, we can assume that was just Luna in the trailer.
I don't see any waifu complexes here. People are taking about the characters based off what we've seen of them, nothing more nothing less. Stella was presented as a rival to Noctis with a power similar to him in trailers. Luna is sitting and waiting for him. Some people simply preferred the character who provided something cool and now everything surrounding it is scrapped.
KH3 is still ages away, no doubt they'll be moving the rest of the KH staffers to finish it off, after they've wrapped up XV.
Kagari said she'd already known about this for 9 months on the first page, so it's likely that these changes were already made and in place from before the game was officially rebranded to FFXV.
It's just that they didn't really see the need to document all of the changes to a game fans know little about like an MMO changelog until after they released the demo and sought feedback.
IMO they should consider this obligation settled and save the rest of the information leading up to ship date to trailers and promo materials. Thank you fans, you've been a big help, but we're not going to let you write the story for us.
And considering Nomura wrote Kingdom Hearts' "Chi-blade" nonsense, the new writer seems to have done fine in the demo.
NoctisVsStar
Member
According to kagari the supposed changes have been known. Please remember that the demo was rushed out and the car was cut in the process, initially the demo was meant for summer release but you know gotta sell type-0 copies somehow.. And fans patience is running thin these days so delaying the demo was not an option, either way Tabata was and co were screwed from the get-go.