That's much better! Seriously, if DS3 can consistently reach Eleum Loyce levels of quality, we're all in for a treat!
Dark Souls III leaked info and screenshots [RUMOR - Better Details Write-Up]
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That's much better! Seriously, if DS3 can consistently reach Eleum Loyce levels of quality, we're all in for a treat!
AlephAlpha
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Wasn't that fixed in a patch for SoTFS?
You mean the specific animation for the plunge?
That's great to hear, I didn't hardly play any DS2 in 2015 so I was out of the loop. Still it is worrying that it doesn't work right in Bloodborne(I bounce off enemy heads and hit for 3 damage sometimes). The damage is hugely nerfed too, I don't have exact numbers but I'm pretty sure I've hit guys for less than a regular attack. I miss blasting the Asylum Demon for nearly half his health.
ShockingAlberto
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I think the level up person or spot is because they seemingly want a barrier to cashing in your souls, even if it's just mild inconvenience. They want you to think "Well, it'd be annoying to go back, so I guess I'll just march forward for now," and lose your souls.
WhiskerFrisker
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That's probably why it was nerfed...
No Man's really benefitted from the Scholar update. I didn't use a torch once in the original game, this time I was slowly walking around with a torch.
Imperfected
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He probably means the "magnetism". DS1 would really aggressive "correct" you into position for a plunging attack if you were anywhere in the vicinity of hitting one, whereas DS2 and Bloodborne are more content to let you flub it if you're off-mark.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Uh, what? You do realize Dark Souls II came out on PC and didn't need any dsfix, right?
Hahah holy shit, picture of the year. <3Souls Fatigue?
I would take those games with me on the road if I could. Like this guy.
Eh, I sure as hell got lost in Forbidden Woods. xD
What are you talking about? Isn't that just speculation? Talking conclusively about the game like some speculated features are set in stone... SMH.
LOL. Demon's is the easiest by far. It was ridiculously easy to cheese every single boss and become super OP.
I wouldn't mind having to go back to a hub to level-up and whatnot as long as the loading is reasonable. I'd prefer they did away with it, though. I wouldn't mind if there wasn't a hub at all, I always found it odd how NPC's found their way there, like how the fuck did they get to Majula from Earthen Peak or No-man's Wharf? Or Logan and the pyromancer finding their way to Firelink?
I know at least one of them would fall off a ledge somewhere.
I know at least one of them would fall off a ledge somewhere.
Actually I thought it needed some modding too, good to know
Just FYI they never intentionally tried to hinder DSFix. It got taken off of some file hosting sites by mistake when they were going after a leaked debug version of the game that allowed people to cheat online.
And yeah, Dark Souls II had a better PC port than a lot of Western games, delay notwithstanding.
I wasn't sure whether or not I wanted another Souls game so early after BB, but after seeing those screens and info I'm honestly pretty excited about this. I really need to get SOTFS soon.
I just hope the info about the bosses is wrong, I mean, 15 is a somewhat low number for a souls game, that's one less than Demon's even. 20 would be a good initial number without including possible DLCs. And I really hope the "characters and monsters from previous games not included" bit doesn't mean we'll see rehashed boss battles and/or NPC from previous game.
Anyway, I'm conflicted whether or not I want a hub area for this one. On one hand, the constant feeling of isolation and progress of DS1 is still unmatched because of the lack of a traditional hub, but on the other hand I found myself losing a lot more souls/echoes in DeS/BB because going back to the hub to level up not only meant having to face 2 loading screens but also having to backtrack though a large part of the area full of enemies again. It added to the challenge imo. I guess a good compromise would be no hub, but really spaced out bonfires, like BB's approach of one lamp per boss.
EDIT:Oops, forgot about the whole "you make your own bonfires" thing. If that's true, then... I really don't know. I just hope it's a really, really limited system and you really have to commit whenever you make a bonfire because you won't be able to make another one for a really long time.
I just hope the info about the bosses is wrong, I mean, 15 is a somewhat low number for a souls game, that's one less than Demon's even. 20 would be a good initial number without including possible DLCs. And I really hope the "characters and monsters from previous games not included" bit doesn't mean we'll see rehashed boss battles and/or NPC from previous game.
Anyway, I'm conflicted whether or not I want a hub area for this one. On one hand, the constant feeling of isolation and progress of DS1 is still unmatched because of the lack of a traditional hub, but on the other hand I found myself losing a lot more souls/echoes in DeS/BB because going back to the hub to level up not only meant having to face 2 loading screens but also having to backtrack though a large part of the area full of enemies again. It added to the challenge imo. I guess a good compromise would be no hub, but really spaced out bonfires, like BB's approach of one lamp per boss.
EDIT:Oops, forgot about the whole "you make your own bonfires" thing. If that's true, then... I really don't know. I just hope it's a really, really limited system and you really have to commit whenever you make a bonfire because you won't be able to make another one for a really long time.
Metalic Sand
who is Emo-Beas?
Having just played Demons Souls this year before bloodborne, It was by far the easiest of all the games. You get a spell that gives you 2 LIVES! How could it not be easier than the other games.
Metalingus5150
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I think it varies from person to person. lol
Robot Pants
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Demons is the easiest
StoppedInTracks
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First Souls game. Hardest.
paragonpro
Banned
What if it's uses are limited though? And you have a very limited amount of the item
Needed to make the bonfires, like you could only use the bonfire you made like three times or something?
But how did they work on this so fast? Was the B team already focusing on this immediatelly after vanilla DS II? That would mean either no Miyazaki involved or at least very little input from him. Specially considering there's still Bloodborne DLC on the way. There's no way the man can focus his full attention on both projects. I'm a bit worried about this coming out so fast, but I'll wait for more info.
For real, that place is so freaking expansive compared to everything else. Had some of the most tense and rewarding moments of my playthrough there.
When I finally found and defeated the boss on my first try in a really high stakes battle, like a shitton of blood echoes on the line, I felt like the biggest sense of accomplishment. lol
For real, that place is so freaking expansive compared to everything else. Had some of the most tense and rewarding moments of my playthrough there.
( at least so far, I haven't really finished it yet)
Fancy Clown
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Dark was my first souls game but I am finding Bloodborne quite a bit harder.
lazer_bean
Member
i've found the inventory in every DS so messy that I don't care about more weapons or armours anymore
paragonpro
Banned
As someone who doesn't have a ps4 and just and an Xbox one, so I didn't get to play bloodborne, I don't feel burnt out at all, in fact scholar of the first sin was my first souls game, and I'm completley in love with the series now and only want more so this is great news.. Unfortanutley a ps4 isn't in my budget right now but I'll probably get one later this year for bloodborne
Someone earlier said it's possible the Sony Japan studio did a lot of the leg work, freeing up FS to work on the DS series.
whyreggielie
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lol those who don't believe this rumor are in for a surprise I guess. I mean come on now, look at the damn screenshots.
Pretty much.
Morrigan Stark
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Demon's was my first, and it's still the easiest because of how brokenly powerful you can become without much effort.
Zomba13
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My biggest hope (which is kinda silly I think but I care) is that the world is coherent and makes sense. I mean like how Dark Souls 1 the world is fully actually all connected and makes sense. The areas all flow into each other and are where they should be so if you look at an area from a different area it really is there, like how you can see your souls from like, stupid far away and they really are there. Not like how in Dark 2 you ride an elevator on a mountain and somehow come to a lava castle with lava for miles and miles and miles or you go out the back of a house that was in a forest/grassy wood area and now see miles and miles of stone pillars you couldn't see from outside the house.
More Dark 1/Bloodborne, less putting shit wherever because who cares we can hide it behind a door or elevator and shove a skybox there.
More Dark 1/Bloodborne, less putting shit wherever because who cares we can hide it behind a door or elevator and shove a skybox there.
That's fair, but I think generally people consider their first experience with a Souls game as the hardest. Especially with Demon's Souls when there wasn't as much talk and information about the game and how it works. While the next games might be harder, knowing how to play the game from the start because of Demon's Souls can give quite an advantage.
Zomba13
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Yup. First time through Demon's was the hardest for me. Everything was new, had to learnt he combat, boss patterns weapons etc. Dark 1 was also hard but I already had the skills from playing Demon's so I knew what to expect in a way. Bloodborne for me was the easiest even with the mix up to the combat. Even playing three games through as a shield user main I adapted quickly to the offensive style and the dash/dodging and didn't really have any trouble with bosses except for the Bloodstarved beast (which after going through on NG+ and the Chalice Dungeons I beat first time getting hit only once).
After some discussion about the sacrificial/bonfire stuff.
I wonder if the player having that weapon on their back at all times is actually their "Bonfire" sword, or I guess they would call it a "Sacrificial sword" in game, and it works differently from an actual weapon where you use it as a means to heal/recover by sacrificing enemies or their corpses.
Which falls into how the lacking creativity/soul of the game was Dark Souls 2's biggest problem and why it's the weakest of the series, it's a pretty fucking great game by normal standards, but as a Souls series game, it's the weakest.
I wonder if the player having that weapon on their back at all times is actually their "Bonfire" sword, or I guess they would call it a "Sacrificial sword" in game, and it works differently from an actual weapon where you use it as a means to heal/recover by sacrificing enemies or their corpses.
All of that depends on if Miyazaki is on the project, since DS2 was made by a separate group headed by another guy, where as Miyazaki was on Demons, Dark and Bloodborne.
Which falls into how the lacking creativity/soul of the game was Dark Souls 2's biggest problem and why it's the weakest of the series, it's a pretty fucking great game by normal standards, but as a Souls series game, it's the weakest.
That kinda doesn't work when all the games that have that system in place can literally allow you to warp to and from locations.
In fact, for Dark Souls II to introduce that "you can only level up in a hub" mechanic, it makes the game stand out even more oddly compared to its predecessor. Even from a lore perspective, you had better reasons to level up from the Maiden or Doll in Demon's and Bloodborne. Dark Souls II kind of throws that on you in an awfully contrived way, but that seems to be a core theme of the title. It's a massive step back when the original Dark Souls allowed you to level up at any bonfire.
At least they kind of implied why you can instantly warp around in Dark Souls II, at least..
SamusPrime
Banned
My rational mind says whatever after Dark Souls 2, yet my subconscious praising has intensified to apocalyptic levels. Absolutely need that Miyazaki confirmation or I'm out.
I know I should wait for more details, but this whole "create your own bonfire" thing is really dampening my mood
It feels wrong. I don't see how that can possibly be a fun mechanic.
It was already explained in this thread that those two pictures are not someone creating a bonfire, but someone creating a point to invade another player.
It seems is more like an invading mechanic than a real bonfire.I know I should wait for more details, but this whole "create your own bonfire" thing is really dampening my mood
It feels wrong. I don't see how that can possibly be a fun mechanic.
Right, but wouldn't you agree then that it's really unfair to the other games to hold your lack of experience on a pedestal and say that other games will never reach that level of difficulty again?
Sure, it may be the hardest experience for you because it was your first Souls, but the others are already harder, it's not fair to ask the developer to give you back something that was never there in the first place.
Throw them into your item box? sell them?
Kyleripman
Member
Yeah the level design is ace (also in the sunken city DLC). They came damn near to ruining all of that goodwill with the Frigid Outskirts, though. That left a really sour taste in my mouth.
Excited to see more of this, though!
Wut? I think the difficulty is pretty well handled in all Souls games and Bloodborne. It's actually one of the best qualities of these games, they always challenge you. I was just supporting the idea that in general, most likely your first game in the series was the most difficult one. I didn't make any claim that the developer should give anything back that wasn't there.
That being said... developers should always look for new challenges for players. And by challenges I don't mean buff the enemies (more HP, more damage). Haven't been disappointed so far in that regard, though.
That is the only one area I didn't fully explored due to frustration. Or at least I think I didn't fully explore it cause I never seemed to understand it's geography. But I think all other areas from the DLCs had amazing and formidable level design. And even tackling the DLCs at the end of the game they were extremely challenging.
I liked how it's a big open area where you can't really see where to go. It's different for the usual corridors in the series. It's frustratign going solo now. I skipped the boss, because I wanted to do all the DLC solo but there was no way I reached the boss with enough Estus.
Thats just a regular day for me in Souls games, as a Chaos Blade/Chikage user.
Imru al-Qays
Banned
Yeah, but in Dark 1 you could find yourself at the bottom of Blighttown and without having any idea how to get back to Firelink. That's something no other game in the series has managed to replicate.
MatrixMan.EXE
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Regarding the talk about the hardest game, I think Dark Souls II is the hardest one, down to the fact that I think some of its boss and level design can be quite cheap. For example, I think Frigid Outskirts is one of the most bullshit levels to come out of From Software, and its very rare that I call anything in the Souls games cheap or badly designed.
I didn't get far in the original DSII, but the propensity for SoFS to throw mobs of enemies and status effects at you at times is quite prolific. I definitely found Dark Souls and Bloodborne easier, personally, but I never finished Demon's Souls so I'll have to see where that fits into the mould.
I didn't get far in the original DSII, but the propensity for SoFS to throw mobs of enemies and status effects at you at times is quite prolific. I definitely found Dark Souls and Bloodborne easier, personally, but I never finished Demon's Souls so I'll have to see where that fits into the mould.
Dark Souls 2 has the hardest mob placement but the easiest bosses by far (excluding bullshit like vanilla AD and melee Darklurker). Bloodborne has the hardest first area (the plaza in Yarhnam was hell) but overall wasn't that hard ((thanks to the OP dodge mechanics).
Dark 1 feels the most balanced of the bunch IMO.
Imru’ al-Qays;166706165 said:
That moment really gave me anxiety. I just didnt know how the fuck I was going to get out of that shit hole. The moment when I saw the sun... I praised it so fucking much. Same with the catacombs (went there earlier than usual).
MatrixMan.EXE
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I agree the bosses in DSII are pushovers. What annoys me about the game is its reliance on throwing multiple bosses at you at once. Feels quite lazy at times, as if it seeks to offer difficulty through relentless attack rather than an actual well designed one on one fight. I find the general enemy placement, area to area to be hardest for sure as you say though.
DSI is definitely the most balanced - feels difficult but not overly so and eases you into the mechanics really well.
I played closely to 300 hours of Demon's Souls in the PS3. 110~ hours of Dark Souls I in PC, and ~100 hours in Dark Souls II Scholar of the First Sin in PC.
Easiest by far is Dark Souls II, you need way less souls to level up than DS1 and Demons Souls. It's so easy to level up in DSII. I can get to level 50 from fresh start in just a few hours in one sitting. The bosses are all mostly large humanoids and they're easy to dodge, very predictable too. Most boss battles in DSII: Large humanoid with a large swinging sword > *swings sword* > roll > attack > rinse and repeat. So not difficult. The easiest bosses in a Souls game, imo.
This is not the same in Dark Souls I and Demon's Souls. In DSI you had the giant tree boss "Chaos bed something" which was quite annoying and difficult once you figure out you have to get to the middle part of it. There's more variation of enemies in DS1. The same about Demon's Souls, and the fact that you can't level up after killing the first boss makes it more challenging. In addition to having your HP halved in hollow form.
That is something I really liked from Demon's Souls that I wish would return to the Soul's series, having your HP halved while hollow. Only allowing two rings (instead of four like in DSII) and then we're talking.
I don't understand how some people think that DSII is the hardest, it's pretty much a walk in the park for Soul player veterans. In addition, you can buy an infinite amount of healing gems for a cheap price, get heavy armor fairly easy and earlier on and you're all set for the rest of the game. DSII is very easy in comparison to Demon's Souls and Dark Souls I, now I think I understand why the Company of Champions Covenant exists, lol. Even new game plus is still not that difficult.
The only challange I really had in DSII were the weapons breaking fairly easy due to the bug in the Scholar of the first sin version. That was pretty much it.
For the next Dark Souls, a good ol' level design to Demon's Souls and halving HP would be just perfect.
Here's hoping FromSoft turns up the difficulty!
Easiest by far is Dark Souls II, you need way less souls to level up than DS1 and Demons Souls. It's so easy to level up in DSII. I can get to level 50 from fresh start in just a few hours in one sitting. The bosses are all mostly large humanoids and they're easy to dodge, very predictable too. Most boss battles in DSII: Large humanoid with a large swinging sword > *swings sword* > roll > attack > rinse and repeat. So not difficult. The easiest bosses in a Souls game, imo.
This is not the same in Dark Souls I and Demon's Souls. In DSI you had the giant tree boss "Chaos bed something" which was quite annoying and difficult once you figure out you have to get to the middle part of it. There's more variation of enemies in DS1. The same about Demon's Souls, and the fact that you can't level up after killing the first boss makes it more challenging. In addition to having your HP halved in hollow form.
That is something I really liked from Demon's Souls that I wish would return to the Soul's series, having your HP halved while hollow. Only allowing two rings (instead of four like in DSII) and then we're talking.
I don't understand how some people think that DSII is the hardest, it's pretty much a walk in the park for Soul player veterans. In addition, you can buy an infinite amount of healing gems for a cheap price, get heavy armor fairly easy and earlier on and you're all set for the rest of the game. DSII is very easy in comparison to Demon's Souls and Dark Souls I, now I think I understand why the Company of Champions Covenant exists, lol. Even new game plus is still not that difficult.
The only challange I really had in DSII were the weapons breaking fairly easy due to the bug in the Scholar of the first sin version. That was pretty much it.
For the next Dark Souls, a good ol' level design to Demon's Souls and halving HP would be just perfect.
Here's hoping FromSoft turns up the difficulty!