Dictator93
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The stars must first align. Give it about a week when venus is in the eye of jupiter.
AMD Radeon Fury X Series | HBM, Small Form Factor And Water Cooling | June 16th
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The stars must first align. Give it about a week when venus is in the eye of jupiter.
ScepticMatt
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9am PST June 16, E3 PC conference
Nano should be the water-cooled version, so full chip + higher clocks, XT = full chip on air cooled blower & Pro = CU cluster disabled chip on air cooled blower.
That is if I'm reading the HWBattle rumor correctly and there are air-cooled versions.
jfoul
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"The report states that AMD will be releasing three different classes of Fury – Nano, XT and PRO. If the report is accurate than the Fury Nano is most probably the water cooled Fiji GPU we have seen everywhere. We also know that triple fan variants are going to be present at the launch ceremony. Looks like AMD is gearing up for quite a launch at E3. The report also states that the Fiji flagship will be trading bows with the GTX 980 Ti. The price point of $899 is mentioned again. Infact, the same price point was mentioned recently by Hermitage Akihabara who have stated that AMD is still deliberating on re-adjusting it based on the GTX 980 Ti’s performance levels."
"If AMD does not reduce the price then the top tier Fury GPU could have that price tag while the other models are priced significantly lower. This pricing strategy, if it turns out to be true, will allow AMD to deploy market skimming as well as undercutting Nvidia pricing at the same time. The only problem with this strategy is Fiji’s limitation of 4GB vRAM compared to the 980 Ti’s 6GB of vRAM – it remains to be seen what affect this will have, if any, on actual performance and consumer perception."
Everything will be answered soon, I'm getting tired of all of the rumors. This needs to get sorted out, so I can buy one of these stop gap 28nm GPUs from Nvidia or AMD.
I'm guessing watercooling = small board = Nano
Eh, I gathered as much. Dont need that "journalist" website.
What I was interested in is that will AMD intentionally elongate the PCB for the air-cooled versions, cause with HBM you dont really need the extra space. However to accommodate that big blower, they might have to. The rumor is also interesting in that so far none of the air-cooled Fiji boards have leaked yet. All the Fiji boards leaked so far are through official AMD channels so it seems like they are running a tight ship this time.
Coulomb_Barrier
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Jesus. Seems like AMD wanted to release at least one of the Fury cards at $800-900.
The water-cooled version can only get away with that price if its faster than the 980 Ti.
The water-cooled version can only get away with that price if its faster than the 980 Ti.
That's a tough spot since 980Ti barely registers FPS differences from Titan X in regular gameplay. It has to nicely beat Titan X or there's a $650 980Ti there to destroy any perception of value.
Amey
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Longer PCB isn't required for big blower. Remember gtx670 ref version.
They can use same small PCB with multiple Cooler Designs.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
I'm expecting limited stock of the HBM cards initially, so AMD may release them at a higher price point than the 980 Ti as certain enthusiasts will pay a premium to get their hands on this new tech. But then when more volume of the GPUs have been manufactured, the price will drop (i.e within 3 months).
HazySaiyan
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Goddamn E3 can't come soon enough. I'm in the market for a new GPU and I need to know where my money's gonna go.
Yeah, I forgot about it.Longer PCB isn't required for big blower. Remember gtx670 ref version.
They can use same small PCB with multiple Cooler Designs.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_670/3.html
jfoul
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You might as well wait at this point, unless you need a video card right now.
You took too long AMD, I bought the 980ti. I need the card now, not in a couple of weeks.
Fucking AMD, I was your fan and was ready to buy your new top of the line card day one.
Yeah in no rush, makes sense to wait
Yep, all reviews for the 980Ti concluded with that.
AMD *sob* *sob*
What will they do now?
Some of the earlier rumors were you would be able to buy Fury based cards about a week/10 days after the launch on 16th.
He has a point. A lot of people (myself included) are wanting to play Witcher 3 on new graphics cards, but this card is taking too long to come out and gamers are missing the W3 boat. It is poor timing.
Thankfully I can wait and see what the performance is like because I have an IT exam to do over the next few weeks before I can start my W3 binge, but otherwise I would have dumped my 7950 and picked up a 980Ti as well.
That's not how things work. (Timing your release with a game)
Nvidia isnt using HBM so they were able to churn out their big Maxwell earlier than AMD. The fact that a 980Ti even exists now (despite many claiming otherwise) is because of Fiji. Otherwise Nvidia would have milked the Titan X for much longer.
I think that's not the primary reason they are in a though spot with the perception of this card.
The real problem I see is that the technical novelty they want to market here is clearly the memory subsystem -- and for good reason -- but with 4GB (if that remains true) that's troublesome. Not primarily because it's actually a real issue (though at the resolutions/settings you want a card like this for it could be in some games), but because I feel like there are still a lot of people who, consciously or subconsciously, equate GPU performance with the amount of memory a GPU has access to.
I would have thought most of the people that want to spend that kind of money on a card are also the same people who will let the benchmarks do the talking. If the Fury Maxx XT Pro 4GB can match a 980ti/titan x in the 4k benchmarks of the most demanding games then AMD might get away with it. And maybe the things they've been saying about the frame buffer and the lack of optimization will be accurate and it will make the difference, rather than just being the PR equivalent of "please don't leave us" that most seem to attribute to them.
It's not like they are going to be winning the mindshare game anyway, they are coming from too far back to swing it with one card at the top end.
It's not like they are going to be winning the mindshare game anyway, they are coming from too far back to swing it with one card at the top end.
What I don't understand at this point is why AMD is waiting so long to announce the 300 series and why are they link it together with the announcement of Fiji. They should have had 300x out already before Project CARS and Witcher 3. And if Fiji misses Batman Arkham Knight that would be another missed opportunity.
Also, If the rumored prices are true, there's quite an uphill battle for AMD:
Also, If the rumored prices are true, there's quite an uphill battle for AMD:
300 series are just rebadges with some minor changes. Since HP leaked in their press release, it seems like a June launch was always planned. They just want to update their whole line up at once and give the retailers/OEMs enough time to clear out old (branding) inventory.
I know that, but it seems counterproductive to launch the 300 series together with Fiji. It will help consolidate Fiji (Fury) as the premium brand, but will make the 300 series look like an afterthought. Plus, it is a fast moving market, you would want to have some kind of launch for new products more often, even for a rebadged card.
Unknown Soldier
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The real issue is if the exotic new memory subsystem doesn't actually correlate to dramatic real world performance gains. No one cares about GDDR5 vs. HBM, they just want games to run faster. If Fiji ultimately doesn't generate noticeable and meaningful real world performance gains over 980 Ti, it's going to fail no matter what. GDDR5 or HBM won't make any difference there one way or the other.
This is especially problematic when it seems that the 300 series from top to bottom are rebadges of the 200 series. AMD might not make it to HBM2 in 2016 if they don't have something they can sell people in 2015. This goes doubly so since their CPU business is just hobbling along until Zen is also supposed to debut in 2016, and they are developing both HBM2 and Zen with their lowest R&D spending in many years.
You say that's not how it works, but at the same time why do people buy graphics cards?
To play the latest games.
AMD have missed the boat by a few weeks with TW3, it was obvious people would like a new graphics card to play it on. Without new games, new gfx cards are pointless.
I'm not denying the existence of the 980Ti is a response to AMD, nor am I not accepting what AMD are doing with HBM means the innovative tech may take time to churn out.
What I am saying is that they had a great marketing opportunity for gamers to buy their new card in anticipation of the biggest PC gaming release this year, especially if the card was a winner when it comes to performance. But they missed it, and some buyers were too keen to wait.
AMD is dead folks, its over. It doesnt even seem like they can make it to next year.
Also these things are planned years in advance so they largely ballpark the release schedule and try to hit that based on their (as well as competitor) developments as they go along.
Again, launching a major GPU comes with a lot of pains - a lot of things are up in the air and they all need to hit their mark for the GPU to release as per schedule. Any one of them hitting a hurdle will put a chink in those plans. Having said that even Nvidia doesnt plan their GPU launches on the launch of the game and rightfully so. Imagine Nvidia planned to launch Maxwell with TW3 and that game hit a delay (it did) or the publisher pulled up the release so as to not clash with another game (hypothetical). Typically both Nvidia/AMD plan their schedules around upgrade cycles, availability of nodes and also each others releases.
Also these things are planned years in advance so they largely ballpark the release schedule and try to hit that based on their (as well as competitor) developments as they go along.
exmachina64
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There certainly are on NeoGAF.
Don't be immature, it's simple marketing to time releases appropriately.
EDIT: Actually, you responded to me directly, so ignore the above as I thought you were throwing your toys out the pram!
Agreed, I know these things are juggernauts in terms of complications. But surely someone at AMD must have realised they were this close to W3 that there was a golden opportunity for extra sales if the right development funding was pumped in to complete the product 2-3 weeks earlier.
I really want Fury to be awesome - either the 980Ti or that will be my next card, and as mentioned I can wait for it to come out. But I also understand why some gamers can't, and that's no one's fault but AMDs for missing an opportunity target.
It wasnt in response to your post. See the post above yours
You are missing my point. Ive been an AMD exclusively user for at least 10 yrs now, I've been waiting on Fiji but then witcher comes, one of my more anticipated games since witcher 2.
I personally wanted the the AMD card not just because they are the underdogs but also their products have been great to me but I cant just wait until they fell like punting the card out. I have the money, not the time. It pisses me off that they are so quiet about the card.
My 7970 was OK with it but the witcher is the witcher.
While AMD might have loved to have your upgrade money, they simply couldn't launch the thing earlier. Even the launch later this month sounds highly limited in quantities, one of the drawbacks of banking on cutting-edge technology.
If you wanted them to purposely leak the benches, then they probably wouldn't have justified the card by showing it in pre-alpha drivers.Other than saying "fastest GPU in the world" they cant do much else to sway the opinion of people in the same boat as you.
It wasnt in response to your post. See the post above yours
Yep, updated my post! Thanks.
It's all well and good complaining that they don't have a card out for the game you want, but games get delayed all the time. It's not something that can easily be predicted by a third party and so they have to just go with their own timeline.
EG, when I bought my 9800 XT (such a quaint cooler when you look back at it lol) I got a voucher for HalfLife 2. A year later HalfLife2 came out.
EG, when I bought my 9800 XT (such a quaint cooler when you look back at it lol) I got a voucher for HalfLife 2. A year later HalfLife2 came out.
I think it worked out fine for 780Ti (3GB) versus 290X (4GB). Maybe that was before Mordor gave us a wakeup call.
Having said that... 4GB may be a non-starter for people spending in the >$550 range today
What you should have said was that Nvidia has mindshare on their side. Even if Nvidia GTX Y has less VRAM than comparable AMD Radeon Z, most people would still buy Nvidia.I think it worked out fine for 780Ti (3GB) versus 290X (4GB). Maybe that was before Mordor gave us a wakeup call.
Having said that... 4GB may be a non-starter for people spending in the >$550 range today
You will likely see this with GTX 970 3.5GB vs 390X 8GB.
Theonik
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It doesn't help when until recently and I think even now, system requirements are listed based on the amount of VRAM.
Unknown Soldier
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I think it worked out fine for 780Ti (3GB) versus 290X (4GB). Maybe that was before Mordor gave us a wakeup call.
Having said that... 4GB may be a non-starter for people spending in the >$550 range today
To be fair to Shadow of Mordor, it came out about a year after the 780 Ti and 290X did. At the time of late 2013 when the 780 Ti and 290X were new, both 3GB and 4GB of VRAM was such an enormous amount that people buying one or the other wouldn't have thought it makes a difference, not when games were being made based on the 512MB of shared/split memory the Xbox 360 and PS3 had.
Then the PS4 and Bone launched and suddenly the standard amount of shared memory was 8GB and for some reason games suddenly started using a lot of VRAM shortly after this happened. Now 4GB vs. 6GB of VRAM seems like it's more important now than it was before.
The moral of the story is ultimately the PC gamers are still enslaved by the consoles, just not in a way we would expect.
Iacobellis
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I get so confused just knowing which AMD GPU is which. It might just be me, but NVIDIA has it much more straightforward with a single architecture spanning two product lines.
Could anyone clarify this for me?
Could anyone clarify this for me?
Yeah their brand power is incredible. They spat in gamers' faces with the GTX970 non-apology and many responses I see in GAF are "Fk you Nvidia, I'm gonna trade up to 980!"
At least the 980Ti rush might mean I can buy Fury without being gouged, 980Ti is being sold at +31% markup in my area lol.
Coulomb_Barrier
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Bit of an aside but what is the point of buying The Witcher 3 at launch week?
Games like that are a bit of a mess at launch, waiting 1 month after launch is a better bet anyway (I usually wait 6 months+ after release for big titles like these).
Games like that are a bit of a mess at launch, waiting 1 month after launch is a better bet anyway (I usually wait 6 months+ after release for big titles like these).
I wouldnt say the witcher 3 was a mess at launch. there were a few minor issues, but the game was fairly solid and was well optimised (apart from hairworks)
Kikorin
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I'm so confused right now. I need a new pc (I still have the glorious 8800gts 512mb), but I've been out of the hardware world for looooong time. Best choice for me looks to be the 980 ti, but I don't well understand what AMD will show in short time.
I think I'll still wait a month or two before decide where spend my money.
I think I'll still wait a month or two before decide where spend my money.
I had no problem playing it at launch, it was remarkably stable for a game of its type. (Of course, I use a Maxwell card, which is the best case scenario for the game)
There's always a tradeoff between playing a game immediately and waiting. You probably get a more polished game by waiting, but you also aren't part of the initial rush of discussion, which I do enjoy from time to time.
Just wait a few weeks and all will be known for this year's offerings.
IMO, I would wait for 14nm+HBM2 GPUs next year, they will give you best chance for another very long cycle without upgrades.
Its not really all that hard.
Right now it's 290x as the top single GPU. Everything under that goes by number so the 280 is better than the 270 etc
With this generation, AMD will have the 300 series of cards and a Fury range of cards like Nvidia have the 900 series and the Titan series.
The 390x will likly be the top non HBM card, while the Fury cards will be Titans in different skirts.
Yeah, that was kind of ironic and Nvidia must have loved it (more money). The other pathetic thing with that mess was people defending Nvidia's PR policy. *facepalm*