Yes, besides traits and certain mutations that are more likely (but not exclusive) to certain races there is no such thing as a gene or element that defines a group. Its not something that would be viable for research because there is not a single case described in literature.
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NAACP Leader Exposed as White Woman in Blackface
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this is a nice photo tho, ngl. she is working it.
She is beautiful
Chie Satonaka
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If people didn't think conservatives were going to latch on to this, then people haven't been paying attention. Apparently, she's found many "allies" within the #tcot twitter as well.
Once again, there's a reason why this shit is so dangerous. If she was a true "ally", she would have fucking realized this, but she's not. It's all about her, and how she feels, and everyone else can get fucked. That newest intervew even solidifies that position.
Edit:
I misread the tone of the article, but my point still stands.
Double edit:
Nope, I was right the first time.
methane47
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Hmmm
But race is a classification based loosely on physical characteristics. But some people exist outside any/all these characteristics.
Why is it that a person that has zero characteristics of a black person can be given a pass (Rachel from suits or mariah) by the world but others are not just because how far removed they are from their "blackness".
The only difference between rachel and this chick is that this lady has less "black" genes in her DNA. Just like Obama has less "black" genes than Wesley snipes. But they all self-identify as black.
excelsiorlef
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It 100% is, it is drawling a direct correlation and saying they are both ridiculous.
Transphobic as all hell.
I really hope her parents are liars and she really has a black bio-father. I really do.
What would being trans-ethnic mean exactly? You change history so she'll never be actually black. Unless by being Black a person means that the individual is the living embodiment of current racial stereotypes?
The irate tone aside, can't deny some valid points in there
excelsiorlef
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entremet
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I never said that.
But I've made mistakes. Many.
And I've gotten second chances.
I don't think this lady will.
just because you say it is not transphobic doesn't make it so.
excelsiorlef
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I can and I will.
Who's the victim?
The NAACP she lied to, the community she lied to and the government who paid police to investigate false hate crimes she made up
excelsiorlef
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Arguably the black community
and given the new narrative that is spreading, accidentally the trans community.
It is but it's not a word to describe what is going on here.
GameGuru59
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I haven't even read this article, but this is sort of a point I get. Now, we haven't done a DNA test on Caitlyn to see her chromosomes, but other than the fact she believes she's a woman, there's nothing objective we can point to that says she should or shouldn't be a woman. Her whole story strikes me as something that is personally subjective. Now that's all fine and dandy, but people have to start admitting that there isn't really any (as of yet) objective basis for race either. So if race is subjective, and gender is subjective (both are social constructs, right?) then why can't a person elect to change their race?
For example, if there were a procedure (and in the future, there very well may be) to change one's skin tone, what moral basis would we have to stop people when we allow people to change their sex and gender. We would have none.
NobleGundam
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Well this is.. really something.
Yes this. Forget the appropriation that is alone ridiculous. It's the false oppression statements that she made. This story get better and better. Lately the news has been on fire you cannot make this stuff up. CNN started running with this earlier so now it's media discussion (ether) time.
Dreams-Visions
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So is this the appropriation end-game?
Seems like she needs a good therapist to help her come to terms with who she is and how to cope with the scars left behind from her abusive family more than anything else. She has my permission to continue loving and working with the black community and nobody black would care. But she shouldn't be okay with living a lie. That's not healthy.
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And why would I want them?
Wait was it actually proven the hate crimes were made up?
Poodlestrike
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Right, and what I'm not sure about is whether or not she's unable to do that. Some people seem to take it on faith that that's impossible, despite the fact that the important bits of modern race relations are entirely societal, e.g. privilege. I'm not sure, honestly.
I mean, the woman is pretty nuts for lying about it (plus the faked threats and hatecrimes), but I'm not sure that the idea of being transracial (which is totally a thing at this point, c'mon) is so out there.
That is not how it works! Gender Expression is a social construct, Gender Identity is internal.
excelsiorlef
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There's more to being trans than DNA and chromosomes holy shit, first you post that picture to laugh at, then you deny it's transphobic and now you go down this road? Holy hell.
Don't you have some semi-private swimming pool to get mad at? Or something.
It is only a thing because of THIS story.
GameGuru59
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That's 100% your interpretation. I read it as Rachel "coming out" to the black community as a white person and declaring herself transracial, a point I don't find entirely ridiculous (see my prior posts). So to me, its not transphobic at all.
Hi God, I didn't know you were posting today. In you infinite wisdom, I am only a foolish worm. I apologize for the offense.
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GameGuru59
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And therefore gender identity (a reflection of what is partially a social construct) is subjective to the person. As is personal racial identity.
No. But when you lie to people for years and years, it makes it hard to trust what you said previously when the thing comes out.
So now everything she ever claimed comes into question.
Nintendo brought it back
What does that even mean
Nintendo brought it back
What.
This thread has ripped open a hole in time and space or something. I have no idea what is going on anymore.
methane47
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Lol
excelsiorlef
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OMG what?! You got it from Black Twitter and #AskRachel, which is all about making fun of her and her claims of being black right now.
Ergo this is saying lol she's black like Caitlyn is a woman, ergo 100% transphobic are you even kidding me right now?
Ive explained this before and I will explain it again
There are literal mental differences between men and women (mostly sexuality in nature) that scientists know exist. Trans persons have the exact same brain waves as those they are trying to represent. This means they were literally born into the wrong body.
In terms of race, race is a social construct meant to seperate people from differing locations based off of the physiological differences people exhibit. Races don't have specific differences in the brain, they only have physiological differences such as skin color and skull structure.
It is literally impossible to be transethnic unless you want to say that black and white persons brains are inherently different and that we think in different ways. Being "transethnic" is not even semi-related to being trans. It's more akin to the "transable" persons.
For me, the equivocation of "Black" and Caitlyn's name seems like an obvious problem. Let's set aside semantic arguments about what is or is not categorized as "transphobic" for a moment. Is this image a message you want to support or endorse, and why?
Nintendo brought it back
I'm afraid to find out what Monday means to Nintenodo :/
lawd black twitter is going in
Someone explain this one to me.
Nintendo brought it back
Typo or Photoshop. The worm's name is Wiggler.
GameGuru59
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To me that is subjective. There is no objective definition for "woman." The only objective definition is the male or female sex. Therefore anything surrounding gender is subject to a person's feelings about their place within the mostly social construct of gender (girls wear dresses, boys wear pants, for example). If both human genders had the same mannerisms, the same clothing, and the same everything else there would be no need to understand gender, the only thing one would need to understand is that there are different sexes. The point is, gender is a social construct itself. Just like race. I feel as though people have the right to choose their place in the social construct if we're going to allow people to have sexual/gender freedom. It's only fair.
Wigger predates Eminem by at least two decades. Perhaps he made it 'popular' again, but it wasn't coined for him.
Now you're making me wonder about the linguistic implications here. If transethnic / transracial / transable all became recognised, would 'transphobia' cover them all or would we need to create new words. I've always thought it was strange that it isn't 'transgenderphobic' but then I'm not familiar with the etymology of the word.
I guess saving plastic shopping bags is supposed to be a black stereotype? I do it. I thought most people did.
Reusing bags you get from the supermarket.
White people tend to buy trash bags while us minority folk tend to just use plastic bags from Wal-Mart.
Disclaimer: I have not done a full study on white people's trash bag buying trends.
I wonder if it's a black stereotype in America, but not elsewhere. I know I've never heard it and I have a bag full of bags under my sink. Weird that it got the location bang on.
MisterGrey3000
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The problematic underlying microaggressive message it's sending by comparing this situation to Jenner's transition is that Caitlyn is an incredibly delusional man pretending to be a woman.
You really can't get much more transphobic/transmisogynistic than that (well you can but...)
she's of Czech, Swedish and German descent. "fact" in the case of race is based on a long history of societal definition
the logical extension of the argument you're beginning to make is "what do white and black mean, in the end, we're all humans" which alright sure great but despite these distinctions of white and black being meaningless in a biological sense they mean a great deal in this not-post-racial society at large.
Loosely on physical characteristics, rigidly on societal ones.
I don't know what you're saying about other Rachels (I think you're talking about another one?) and snipes and stuff but all I am saying is that it seems appropriative for Rachel Dolezal to muddle her background and profess her own blackness when her societal and familial background is white. she's adopting characteristics of black culture without recognizing the privilege from which she's born--in fact, while actively avoiding disclosure of her background. This seems like heavy, disingenuous appropriation to me--though, in the interest of unDolezal-like full disclosure, it's important for me to note that I am white and am not the judge of that. I'm merely trying to clarify why it's an issue and why it's different from transsexuality, in part for myself. anybody tell me to shut up at any time
well, like Royalan said, it's only a "thing" because of people saying it is in the wake of htis story-- and Rachel herself has not ever claimed to be "transracial."
I started to type up a muddled response but Jarate nailed it first and far more clearly:
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That is a wild video.
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