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[Screaming Meat]

As was the briefing video in MGS1. Even Twin Snakes had brown-haired Snake (with bonus boxers).

Twin Snakes has nowt to do with it.

What effect was the lighting in the original MGS1 briefing trying to create, to make Solid look like someone the player hadn't seen at that point? That doesn't make sense.

As I said, I'm suggesting the lighting effect in GZ may have been boosted unrealistically with the specific purpose of creating a visual callback to the classic Big Boss look, something long term fans would know. That doesn't work if you don't know who you're making a visual callback too, as you're suggesting could have occurred in the MGS1 briefing.

 

[Dick Justice]

Sure, don't get me wrong I always said Solid Snake is in the game BUT I don't think we've seen him in this trailer.



But they wear the exact same clothes.

I'm guessing there's a story reason for that. Probably some kind of switcheroo.

Twin Snakes has nowt to do with it.

What effect was the lighting in original MGS1 briefing trying to create, to make Solid look like someone the player hadn't seen at that point? That doesn't make sense.

As I said, I'm suggesting the lighting effect in GZ may have been boosted unrealistically with the specific purpose of creating a visual callback to the classic Big Boss look, something long term fans would know. That doesn't work if you don't know who you're making a visual callback too, as you're suggesting could have occurred in the MGS1 briefing.

I'm not talking about a visual callback. I'm guessing they wanted to achieve a particular kind of atmosphere with the lighting in the original briefing video. So they had a dark room with a single overpowering light bearing down on the characters, resulting in ultra bright hair and heavy shadows.

 

[Enter the Dragon Punch]

Leaked MGSV trailer feat. Hayter

 

[Durden77]

Absolutely spectacular

 

[LowParry]

You guys are missing out on some hype over in that FFVII PS4 thread. It's going all over the place.

 

[yuraya]

yea its clearly Hayter @ 30sec. It even leads into it with the phrasing and words etc.

Kojima leaving easter eggs in his trailers and screwing with peoples minds.

 

[kmax]

Why? We know Zero kept David to himself; he's always been an agent of the Patriots (unknowingly). Why would he be here at 12 years old with Liquid?

I think the symbolism heavily suggests (I think) that it's the original brothers that we're looking at. Still, it's way too early to say for sure. All we can do now is speculate.

You could be right though, I just want to believe that it is. (fan moment, heh).

 

[Erban1]

So about the headphones in the African guy, it got me thinking about how we never got answers about the headphone jack in Chico's chest...was he going to potentially be part of the Skulls project, or a precursor of it?

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

Leaked MGSV trailer feat. Hayter

I love it. But that's dialogue written by Kojima.

 

[RangerBAD]

That's not what I'm saying. It's just edited that way. You know when you make a video you can superimpose stuff to create an effect on the viewer.

Don't take everything literally. It's not necessarily real.

It might be a real scene, but it's not Solid by any stretch of the imagination. Now whether that scene is different in the game is another story since Kojima likes to play mind games.

 

[deim0s]

Even after playing all the games and knowing the story like I got a history degree on it, I have absolutely no idea what the hell was happening in that trailer. So many questions that it's driving me mad.

Nothing is real! I want off Kojima's ruse cruise!

Kojima fucking around peoples head....... Again.

 

[Ran rp]

Wait, that's Sutherland speaking at :30? That's supposed to be Big Boss?

Wait was that Big Boss the entire time before Kaz? I'm so lost.

 

[RK9039]

Wait, that's Sutherland speaking at :30? That's supposed to be Big Boss?

Skull Face.

 

[-Deimos]

Wait, that's Sutherland speaking at :30? That's supposed to be Big Boss?

It's Skullface.

 

[Dick Justice]

Wait, that's Sutherland speaking at :30? That's supposed to be Big Boss?

No, that's Skull Face. Big Boss only talks at the very end.

 

[SolVanderlyn]

Also, in the trailer-The Man Who Sold the World song, the meaning of that song...

This, combined with the fact that there's two Elis at the end of the trailer and the fact that Skull Face seems to be a strange apparation in some scenes, leads me to believe that:

Dealing with aspects of yourself that you hate will be a major theme in TPP. The whole "evil persona" was introduced with Liquid as Solid's foil in MGS1, which will again be given greater focus here, with Eli growing to hate David for taking everything from him. Big Boss himself will struggle with his Vader-esque Big Boss persona we know from the later games in the timeline. Given the psychological horror/mindwarping we've seen since TPP reveal trailer, the concept of dealing with the undesirable aspects of one's self will be visibly represented by doppelgangers. Skull Face likely represents the evil side of Big Boss, sharing similar ideology and line-crossing behavior, and Big Boss realizes how similar he is becoming to him and begins to converse with him in his mind as he begins to accept that they are the same. I particularly like the theory that Skull Face is real, and killed by BB early on in the game, but continues to haunt him due to his actions and - this is a big one - his words towards Snake. He probably gives a speech that resonates with BB, and BB doesn't like the fact that he agrees with him or sees his point one bit.

The two Elis at the end were likely symbolic. There's "another Eli" out there similar to how Skull Face will be "another Big Boss". The struggle isn't exactly the same between characters, but it is similar.

That's my half baked theory.

 

[Faustek]

Even after playing all the games and knowing the story like I got a history degree on it, I have absolutely no idea what the hell was happening in that trailer. So many questions that it's driving me mad.

Nothing is real! I want off Kojima's ruse cruise!

Thanks.
As a fan of the game but a rather casual gamer, never played one alone to completion, I always feel lost but going to rectify that now

 

[Sectorseven]

I thought Solid didn't know about his brother. He'd probably remember having an identical twin if they'd met before.

 

[UV-6]

Even after playing all the games and knowing the story like I got a history degree on it, I have absolutely no idea what the hell was happening in that trailer. So many questions that it's driving me mad.

Nothing is real! I want off Kojima's ruse cruise!

Well, I feel a lot better now having read this. I've only played Peace Walker lol. Don't know what the fuck was happening in the trailer but I loved it!

 

[Kissenkopf]

That was maybe the best game trailer ever. Gave me some goosebumps! Wow.

And where do you people hear Hayter?

 

[Screaming Meat]

I'm not talking about a visual callback. I'm guessing they wanted to achieve a particular kind of atmosphere with the lighting in the original briefing video. So they had a dark room with a single overpowering light bearing down on the characters, resulting in ultra bright hair and heavy shadows.

Look at his skin under the same lighting conditions. It's darker than his hair. It would suggest that his hair is very light, wouldn't it?

...I can't believe I'm arguing about Solid Snake's hair colour XD

I thought Solid didn't know about his brother. He'd probably remember having an identical twin if they'd met before.

Bloody good point.

 

[packy34]

I thought Solid didn't know about his brother. He'd probably remember having an identical twin if they'd met before.

This too. He didn't even know he was a clone until MGS1.

 

[Ran rp]

Oh okay, gotcha. These voices are giving me a trip.

 

[Akainu]

Year the trailer was pretty boring, they really need tone down these crazy stories in MGS, more like MGR and less like MGS2.

Everything about this post is garbage.

 

[RangerBAD]

This, combined with the fact that there's two Elis at the end of the trailer and the fact that Skull Face seems to be a strange apparation in some scenes, leads me to believe that:

Dealing with aspects of yourself that you hate will be a major theme in TPP. The whole "evil persona" was introduced with Liquid as Solid's foil in MGS1, which will again be given greater focus here, with Eli growing to hate David for taking everything from him. Big Boss himself will struggle with his Vader-esque Big Boss persona we know from the later games in the timeline. Given the psychological horror/mindwarping we've seen since TPP reveal trailer, the concept of dealing with the undesirable aspects of one's self will be visibly represented by doppelgangers. Skull Face likely represents the evil side of Big Boss, sharing similar ideology and line-crossing behavior, and Big Boss realizes how similar he is becoming to him and begins to converse with him in his mind as he begins to accept that they are the same. I particularly like the theory that Skull Face is real, and killed by BB early on in the game, but continues to haunt him due to his actions and - this is a big one - his words towards Snake. He probably gives a speech that resonates with BB, and BB doesn't like the fact that he agrees with him or sees his point one bit.

I can see the two Elis as representing different parts of the same person. It's like a before and after psychology. The boy that opens his eyes is the Liquid we come to know. This might be the beginning of his bitterness toward Big Boss.

 

[Dick Justice]

Look at his skin under the same lighting conditions. It's darker than his hair. It would suggest that his hair is very light, wouldn't it?

...I can't believe I'm arguing about Solid Snake's hair colour XD

His arms looks just as exposed as his hair. His torso looks darker in places because he's hunched over.

...and me neither XD

 

[DeathPeak]

Jokes on everyone, Liquid actually dyes his hair blonde.

 

[mf.luder]

That was maybe the best game trailer ever. Gave me some goosebumps! Wow.

And where do you people hear Hayter?

0:33 seconds in the trailer "I changed too"

 

[Screaming Meat]

This, combined with the fact that there's two Elis at the end of the trailer and the fact that Skull Face seems to be a strange apparation in some scenes, leads me to believe that:

Dealing with aspects of yourself that you hate will be a major theme in TPP. The whole "evil persona" was introduced with Liquid as Solid's foil in MGS1, which will again be given greater focus here, with Eli growing to hate David for taking everything from him. Big Boss himself will struggle with his Vader-esque Big Boss persona we know from the later games in the timeline. Given the psychological horror/mindwarping we've seen since TPP reveal trailer, the concept of dealing with the undesirable aspects of one's self will be visibly represented by doppelgangers. Skull Face likely represents the evil side of Big Boss, sharing similar ideology and line-crossing behavior, and Big Boss realizes how similar he is becoming to him and begins to converse with him in his mind as he begins to accept that they are the same. I particularly like the theory that Skull Face is real, and killed by BB early on in the game, but continues to haunt him due to his actions and - this is a big one - his words towards Snake. He probably gives a speech that resonates with BB, and BB doesn't like the fact that he agrees with him or sees his point one bit.

The two Elis at the end were likely symbolic. There's "another Eli" out there similar to how Skull Face will be "another Big Boss". The struggle isn't exactly the same between characters, but it is similar.

That's my half baked theory.

It's a really good one.

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

This trailer was utterly amazing. Very emotional

 

[eso76]

the two clip of helicopter flying in between Big Boss hospital scene is really weird, I think it's supposed to hint at something. the helicopter scene have the exact camera angle just with different environment. maybe to show one of them is real, the other is dream or something

noticed the same, at first i thought it was just some dodgy editing, but there might be some meaning to it.

0:33 seconds in the trailer "I changed too"

??? not Hayter AT ALL.

 

[Screaming Meat]

His arms looks just as exposed as his hair. His torso looks darker in places because he's hunched over.

...and me neither XD

But the shoulders that would be direc--- okay. We have to stop. We're better than this.

Jokes on everyone, Liquid actually dyes his hair blonde.

WHAT A TWIST!

 

[Stealth_Cobra]

African Genocide !

The soldiers are litterally pilining up the corpses and burning them in piles... Wonder if the troops are Skullface's troops, or Big Boss's troops.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

African Genocide !

The soldiers are litterally pilining up the corpses and burning them in piles... Wonder if the troops are Skullface's troops, or Big Boss's troops.

this is the shot that confirms for me that skullface is only a dream

 

[ThatsMytrunks]

0:33 seconds in the trailer "I changed too"

That's clearly still Skullface.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Jokes on everyone, Liquid actually dyes his hair blonde.

He naturally did it, it's already been mentioned many times that Liquid's hair was bleached from sunlight.

We have never seen Solid have blond hair, he has always had brunet hair. Big Boss has brunet hair, Solidus has brunet hair, everyone has naturally brunet hair, Liquid is the one who bleached his hair through his environment.

 

[Fersis]

0:33 seconds in the trailer "I changed too"

What... the... eff... it does sounds like Hayter.
Nice touch.

 

[dc89]

Has the trailer been released in Japanese yet?
I'd love to hear Big Boss say his bit in Japanese.

 

[KingConan]

It say's "V HAS COME TO" after the twins were shown. Maybe there were more than 3 clones.

 

[NoctisVsStar]

This, combined with the fact that there's two Elis at the end of the trailer and the fact that Skull Face seems to be a strange apparation in some scenes, leads me to believe that:

Dealing with aspects of yourself that you hate will be a major theme in TPP. The whole "evil persona" was introduced with Liquid as Solid's foil in MGS1, which will again be given greater focus here, with Eli growing to hate David for taking everything from him. Big Boss himself will struggle with his Vader-esque Big Boss persona we know from the later games in the timeline. Given the psychological horror/mindwarping we've seen since TPP reveal trailer, the concept of dealing with the undesirable aspects of one's self will be visibly represented by doppelgangers. Skull Face likely represents the evil side of Big Boss, sharing similar ideology and line-crossing behavior, and Big Boss realizes how similar he is becoming to him and begins to converse with him in his mind as he begins to accept that they are the same. I particularly like the theory that Skull Face is real, and killed by BB early on in the game, but continues to haunt him due to his actions and - this is a big one - his words towards Snake. He probably gives a speech that resonates with BB, and BB doesn't like the fact that he agrees with him or sees his point one bit.

The two Elis at the end were likely symbolic. There's "another Eli" out there similar to how Skull Face will be "another Big Boss". The struggle isn't exactly the same between characters, but it is similar.

That's my half baked theory.

Another potential theory that i've been thinking after BB mentions the Les enfant terrible quote at the end of the trailer. Maybe he wants to acquire this project (Liquid and Solid) without really knowing what it consists of (also Kaz is hiding it from BB that he's well aware of this), plus we all know that Solid eventually joins BB/Kaz and perhaps Liquid goes rouge to become his own man?

 

[Solidino]

As was the briefing video in MGS1. Even Twin Snakes had brown-haired Snake (with bonus boxers).

TTS is shit.

 

[Dick Justice]

But the shoulders that would be direc--- okay. We have to stop. We're better than this.

Agreed, now we should argue about whether or not Big Boss' ponytail is real or a prop to cover up his emerging bald spot.

TTS is shit.

It is, but it backs up the whole brown hair thing that I don't care enough to argue about anymore

 

[Truespeed]

I don't understand what I saw, but I liked it.

 

[Erban1]

this is the shot that confirms for me that skullface is only a dream

How? We definitely see snake riding with skullface In another trailer to where a metal gear is being held, would be a bit strange that Snake could just roll up on troops that aren't his.

 

[Xiraiya]

Snake being naturally blonde is just stupid, that's arguing on a boat that is already half submerged, his entire character is him being the one who mirrored Big Boss the closest though everything but making different decisions.

The real question is why are there two Liquids? Why would they need two of him?
The only thing I can think is they needed a double for some reason, maybe they purposely dressed Snake up as another liquid to protect Liquid? Which then makes me wonder why Snake would never remember being around all this.

Snake had an entirely different upbringing to Liquid, only Liquid was in Afghanistan.

 

[Stealth_Cobra]

this is the shot that confirms for me that skullface is only a dream

That would actually be so badass from a storytelling perspective... A delusional Big Boss that creates an alter-ego to justify some of his worse deeds.

 

[Led_Zeppelin]

That's clearly still Skullface.

The range of voice between the start of the trailer changed a lot at 0:30 and then again at 0:45 when the sentense "Word Can Kill" is being delivered. The range changed to much, either they used 4-5 different takes for those lines or switched between actors in the middle.

 

[NoctisVsStar]

I thought Solid didn't know about his brother. He'd probably remember having an identical twin if they'd met before.

Kojima did say he was going to take some liberties with the game and not be tied up to canon.

 

[-Deimos]

Snake being naturally blonde is just stupid, that's arguing on a boat that is already half submerged, his entire character is him being the one who mirrored Big Boss the closest though everything but making different decisions.

The real question is why are there two Liquids? Why would they need two of him?

The only thing I can think is they needed a double for some reason, maybe they purposely dressed Snake up as another liquid to protect Liquid? Which then makes me wonder why Snake would never remember being around all this.

Snake had an entirely different upbringing to Liquid, only Liquid was in Afghanistan.

There's only one Liquid. The second one is just symbolic, he's not actually there.

 

[Raynes]

That would actually be so badass from a storytelling perspective... A delusional Big Boss that creates an alter-ego to justify some of his worse deeds.

That's a good plot to you?