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[ChamplooJones]

Come on Sub, why you gotta do me like that?

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

I disagree. Progress is progress.

Even the scantily clad ones?

So why do only female characters can count only when they're well written?

It's mostly pressure. Everyone wants to write good female characters and they hype them up but when they fuck up its worse than a badly written male character cuz well written male characters exist a lot more.

 

[kitzkozan]

The industry took notice of the big backlash against Ubisoft last year (and even Rockstar for GTA V).

 

[Ganzlinger]

Don't know if this counts but we are having women's football at FIFA 16 for the first time.

 

[Wiktor]

Okay, outside of the white bit, which is valid, and an issue in just about all media at this point, one which hopefully will be addressed going forward. What sort of body type and age bracket are you expecting from action heroes?

I think agre discrimination is pretty bad in gaming. Especially AAA one. Heck, one of the few positive examples we had (Sam Fisher) got magically deaged by like two decades. But gaming tends to be behind on things like that. The current trend of casting old as hell dudes in action movies will eventually trickle to gaming. For now at least we have Geralt

 

[shacklesmcgee]

I also liked how their was more female presenters this year as well, nice to see that.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Were any of the presenters at Sony's conference women?

 

[ChamplooJones]

So why do only female characters can count only when they're well written?

Because just like the male characters if they rely on tired tropes or they're just poorly written altogether, they're part of the problem.

 

[SolidusDave]

You and anyone who thinks the character is ugly are nuts.

I said kinda and just compare her to the other characters in this thread. She's definitely not a conventional beauty that you could put on a model runway or whatever.
I did not mean that as a negative, I was surprised as usually a trait of female characters is being sexy, doll-like etc.

 

[besada]

Eitr

 

[harSon]

Now we just need some ethnic diversity.

 

[Kinyou]

I disagree, quality of writing absolutely plays a role into raising standards. If one area of writing improves it opens the doors for another to improve, and so on.

I'm still not sure what that really has to do with equality. Writing has to improve in general

I guess I can see what they mean if, by "badly written" they mean those characters just end up being tired cliché sexist tropes. That would impede the progress. But, I don't think that's likely to be the case for the ladies posted in the OP.

Yeah, that's what I meant with "abhorrently written" in my post before that. In that case I'd obviously understand.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

I think agre discrimination is pretty bad in gaming. Especially AAA one. Heck, one of the few positive examples we had (Sam Fisher) got magically deaged by like two decades. But gaming tends to be behind on things like that. The current trend of casting old as hell dudes in action movies will eventually trickle to gaming. For now at least we have Geralt

What up yo?

Sadly the only examples I know.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Even the scantily clad ones?

Adressed here.

Eitr

Ohhh. I can't believe I forgot about that, since I actually posted the first thread about this game. >_<

 

[Kinyou]

came to the thread looking for a comparison of female characters from this year to past years

only found OP has a picture of a few characters from this year, and nothing from years past (as the title suggested). Pretty epic post

The thread from Nirolak from half a year ago is probably a good comparison.
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=912581

Most notable is that the characters are actually the protagonist this year.

Thoguht analysing this with a year by year basis probably isn't that enlightening given the long development time of those games.

 

[Candeldandel]

Horizon looks amazing, I am all about that shit. I could totally get addicted to a game like that, woweee <3

 

[jimmythepage]

Aloy won, just few minutes and her design and personality is clear, and it's the most interesting IP in the whole show.
Congratz Guerrilla!

 

[Merc_]

Lots of white women.

Just saying.

 

[MAtgS]

Metroid Prime 3DS is like the punchline to this year's E3: So many new female heroes but no Samus.

 

[Neidii]

I said kinda and just compare her to the other characters in this thread. She's definitely not a conventional beauty that you could put on a model runway or whatever.
I did not mean that as a negative, I was surprised as usually a trait of female characters is being sexy, doll-like etc.

Whaaat I think she is beautiful, she could be a model for sure if she wanted to Some people in this thread are craaazy! I absolutely love her character design.

 

[Johndoey]

I think agre discrimination is pretty bad in gaming. Especially AAA one. Heck, one of the few positive examples we had (Sam Fisher) got magically deaged by like two decades. But gaming tends to be behind on things like that. The current trend of casting old as hell dudes in action movies will eventually trickle to gaming. For now at least we have Geralt

Isaac Clarke is in his late 40s-early 50s if I remember correctly.

 

[Puaru1]

Lots of white women.

Just saying.

You mean parroting.

 

[gypsygib]

I guess if gamergate did one good thing, it was that it made companies far more aware of the sexism in gaming. Its good to see a growing trend of more women headlining games.

Hope this continues behind the scenes too, with more women taking senior positions in development, publishing and marketing.

What about all the other "isms"? It's not just women who are underrepresented right.

Can't wait for the wave of elderly, half black half Chinese, slightly overweight body type, male pattern baldness, transgendered, disabled protagonists. All with average sized penises, because if it's not small or average it's sexist and unnatural.

 

[Slayven]

this is a very exciting aspect and I'm hopping they go all out with the lore and writing for this universe. I heard they hired a writer from the witcher 3 team, so the expectations are high.

I want prequel novels like yesterday

 

[Arkam]

What a diverse group...

baby steps... baby steps...

Cant run before you can walk. You try and you have a bad time.

Be happy for progress not sour about it not being enough.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Were any of the presenters at Sony's conference women?

I don't recall any.

 

[User 73706]

Come on Sub, why you gotta do me like that?

I said kinda and just compare her to the other characters in this thread. She's definitely not a conventional beauty that you could put on a model runway or whatever.
I did not mean that as a negative, I was surprised as usually a trait of female characters is being sexy, doll-like etc.

In what world is this girl not only not sexy, but stocky?

Having more than 0% body fat on her face doesn't turn her into some grounded, homely everyone's girl. Jesus.

EDIT: I just went back and read your original post and you called her ugly? Come on, now.

 

[V-Faction]

Let's hope they've got substance to back up 'em up.

 

[Ushay]

Horizon looks amazing, I am all about that shit. I could totally get addicted to a game like that, woweee <3

Hell yes. Open world RPGs, we need more.of these.from.every publisher.

 

[Plinko]

My favorite part of this is that they're finally reasonably dressed for what they're doing, as opposed to what happened in the past.

Horizon's protagonist in 2010:

"Welp, about to go hunting. Let me put on this lingerie and I'll be right with you!"

 

[Morrigan Stark]

What about all the other "isms"? It's not just women who are underrepresented right.

Can't wait for the wave of elderly, half black half Chinese, slightly overweight body type, male pattern baldness, transgendered, disabled protagonists. All with average sized penises, because if it's not small or average it's sexist and unnatural.

And here comes the thread shitting. Thanks bro

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

They all white though

Except Faith, whose race is apparently up for debate around here

Edit: Reading past the OP, there's a lot more diversity than I thought this year. Good stuff.

 

[jon bones]

first their subreddit gets banned, then E3 kills it with a strong female presence

sorry goobergate!

I want prequel novels like yesterday

and a brandon graham comic

What about all the other "isms"? It's not just women who are underrepresented right.

Can't wait for the wave of elderly, half black half Chinese, slightly overweight body type, male pattern baldness, transgendered, disabled protagonists. All with average sized penises, because if it's not small or average it's sexist and unnatural.

can't wait for you to get perma'd lol

What a diverse group...

we'll get there

nothing stops this train

 

[Satch]

i gained so many moms this year at e3, yet the peak of all mothers, my original mother, didnt show up this year


samus

 

[Goldfishking]

In what world is this girl not only not sexy, but stocky?



Having more than 0% body fat on her face doesn't turn her into some grounded, homely everyone's girl. Jesus.

EDIT: I just went back and read your original post and you called her ugly? Come on, now.

I've never seen anyone this angry at the subjective opinions of sexiness in an imaginary video game character.

 

[tkalamba]

Holly Tanaka and Olympia Vale from Fire Team Osiris in Halo 5 as well as Kelly and Linda from Blue team.

Half the playable Spartans are women.

 

[TouchMyBox]

What a diverse group...

Baby steps, dawg.

 

[Puaru1]

Why can't everyone just be happy that we saw some cool ladies in cool games? Why try to find something negative in everything?

 

[pastrami]

My favorite part of this is that they're finally reasonably dressed for what they're doing, as opposed to what happened in the past.

Horizon's protagonist in 2010:

"Welp, about to go hunting. Let me put on this lingerie and I'll be right with you!"

It's not lingerie, it's armor! It's totally explained by game lore so it's not sexist.

 

[SolidusDave]

In what world is this girl not only not sexy, but stocky?



Having more than 0% body fat on her face doesn't turn her into some grounded, homely everyone's girl. Jesus.

EDIT: I just went back and read your original post and you called her ugly? Come on, now.

Different tastes and all but my main point is that neither her facial features nor the way she's presented is meant to represent a dream babe character to ogle on. I also like Faith, Quiet and Lara as strong female characters but there is a clear difference in the level of how attractive they are or should look (on a sexual level).

If you don't see this then we can just agree to disagree.

 

[Karkador]

Why can't everyone just be happy that we saw some cool ladies in cool games? Why try to find something negative in everything?

Because they have to remain loyal to their post history of constantly shitting on these topics, that's why

 

[kamorra]

Why can't everyone just be happy that we saw some cool ladies in cool games? Why try to find something negative in everything?

Faith is voiced by a white woman. Fallout 4 reveal thread teached me that this is unacceptable.

 

[cerulily]

You can add that protagonist shown for Nier 2

 

[User 73706]

Different tastes and all but my main point is that neither her facial features nor the way she's presented is meant to represent a dream babe character to ogle on. I also like Faith, Quiet and Lara as strong female characters but there is a clear difference in the level of how attractive they are or should look (on a sexual level).



If you don't see this then we can just agree to disagree.

In what way is Faith oversexualized?

 

[Noobcraft]

Microsoft's conference was fantastic in that regard:

Lara Croft
reCore Main Character
Tacoma Main Character
Beyond Eyes Main Character

And I think Rare's Sea of Theives Character

Not to mention they had women on stage during their conference.

 

[Kinyou]

Faith is voiced by a white woman. Fallout 4 reveal thread teached me that this is unacceptable.

I need some context. Did people say the voice actor sounds "too white"?

 

[hurricanes]

Different tastes and all but my main point is that neither her facial features nor the way she's presented is meant to represent a dream babe character to ogle on. I also like Faith, Quiet and Lara as strong female characters but there is a clear difference in the level of how attractive they are or should look (on a sexual level).



If you don't see this then we can just agree to disagree.

Faith is a dream babe character? Interesting.

 

[Arkeband]

I guess you can add Nier 2's protagonist to the OP.

And the co-protagonist of Worlds of FF.

 

[SolidusDave]

In what way is Faith oversexualized?

Where did I say this? I said designed to be more attractive, both in presentation and features. That doesn't have to be a bad thing.


my original post was:
I'm surprised they did not make Aloy prettier.

 

[Merc_]

You mean parroting.

It's good that other people are noticing too.