Direct had way too much developer filler, the lack of games was key but cut down on the filler.
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Direct had way too much developer filler, the lack of games was key but cut down on the filler.
I really wanted a new Metroid game for Wii U. Now I'm kinda doubting we'll get one for the system at all. I also had a pipe dream that they'd release the New 3DS in the US. Should I just go ahead and get the XL? I really wanted a smaller one.
Also thought maybe there'd be a chance of a new F-Zero, but that was probably too much to hope for..
Also thought maybe there'd be a chance of a new F-Zero, but that was probably too much to hope for..
Colonel Mustard
Banned
They could have detailed
-Devil's Third
-Fatal Frame V
-Rodea The Sky Soldier
-Rhythm Heaven
-Small indie montage with stuff not in the Nindies@Home thing (BoI, etc)
-A rundown of Splatoon stuff that's coming (with a new weapon available immediately after this presentation.)
And then dumped some Wii games on the eShop at a discounted rate, like Kirby, DKCR, Trauma Team, etc. or (Play Fatal Frame 2 or 4 RIGHT NOW for $15!)
Strip out the Skylander's stuff and the embarrassing Mario music thing at the end...maybe keep the part with Miyamoto and the others playing as a neat outtro to the Treehouse stuff.
There, I just made their presentation about 100x more watchable.
-Devil's Third
-Fatal Frame V
-Rodea The Sky Soldier
-Rhythm Heaven
-Small indie montage with stuff not in the Nindies@Home thing (BoI, etc)
-A rundown of Splatoon stuff that's coming (with a new weapon available immediately after this presentation.)
And then dumped some Wii games on the eShop at a discounted rate, like Kirby, DKCR, Trauma Team, etc. or (Play Fatal Frame 2 or 4 RIGHT NOW for $15!)
Strip out the Skylander's stuff and the embarrassing Mario music thing at the end...maybe keep the part with Miyamoto and the others playing as a neat outtro to the Treehouse stuff.
There, I just made their presentation about 100x more watchable.
If we're to get the best of the smaller stuff we're also going to have to stomach some of the worse stuff. That's just how it works. If stomaching an Amiibo game means we'll also get a Mario & Luigi / Paper Mario crossover, a Star Fox game, Fatal Frame and so forth, then so be it.
And the irony is that under third party duress, we'd be far more likely to see products like AC Amiibo Festival since it is essentially built for the much more lucrative toy business.
Fox Mulder
Member
If it's up to par to the xb1/ps4, then third parties will be there with their games. They aren't interested in doing specific work for Nintendo platforms otherwise.
Whatever the nx is, I don't think Nintendo holds power high on their list though.
Mat-triX
Member
How many years has Nintendo been Doomed for now? Decades? Sega was Doomed for only a fraction of the amount of time Nintendo has been...
The get goodwill, press, hype and sales - the opposite of Nintendo.
Astral Dog
Member
To be fair they tried to support it for three years, the thing is dead, everybody that buys one should know its for a few quality games and thats it. a big part of the fanbase wanted Nintendo to drop it earlier, actually.
Its a difficult situation, and you could say Nintendo made a move that pleased no one, but then thats the reality of business.
The Wii U has been great in the 2+ years it's been out, but knowing how quickly Nintendo have seemingly abandoned it makes me less likely to spend money on the NX. No amount of good games will change that for me.
They need to prove to us they won't fuck up again and quickly abandon a system.
HeavyMetalLover91
Member
It's time though isn't it? I really hate to say this cus I used be Nintendo's biggest defender but I can't see a way out. But it's gotta be time for them to consider going Third Party. If they make another console - even dropping the Wii brand, then they're fucked. Nintendo and consoles don't have a future, the sales have dwindled with each generation, bar the Wii because that was lightning in a bottle. They can't seem to get any interest with existing third parties so that once again leaves them with their stable of first party games, which they can only develop so many of because of the length of time it takes to make a game. Additionally causing them to focus on the heavy hitters year after year while leaving th more niche ones in the dust such as Metroid and F Zero. I hope they can turn it around because today made me extremely disappointed after such a great year and nothing would make me sadder than seeing the Wii U whimper out. Sure things look bleak in the grand scheme of things but they could at least stick to their guns and try and find some niche cheap games to make. Where's Trauma Centre for the Wii U? The system was practically built for that game. Same goes for Harvest Moon/Story of Seasons. Nintendo's only choice is try and capture that lightning in another bottle or face a future of being a third party developer that sells amiibos.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
Im totally ok with Sony showing 2017 games, at LEAST i know they are working on something to push the console to a 5 to 6 years lifespan.
When you get the feeling, 2.5 years after a console launch that the company is giving up... its really bad. Am i supposed to jump on NX and forget the shitty support they gave to Wii U adopters?
Xenoblade X : Import impressions dropped my hype meter to bottom
Yoshi yarn : Dont really care, im saturated with platformers, same reason i said i didnt want retro to make another DK. Its cute, thats pretty much it.
Super mario maker : See above. There's only so much mario and platforming i can do in 2 years..
Fire Emblem X SMT : Oh my god the disapointment of this title in my eyes. It could've had so much potential. If it had been darker ala SMT or even SMT in general rather than the animu shit.
So basically, nintendo didnt show me anything i want to play until... NX probably. Why should i keep the console?
Serious question again : How does one sell the console? With digital downloads, we have to remove NNID?
When you get the feeling, 2.5 years after a console launch that the company is giving up... its really bad. Am i supposed to jump on NX and forget the shitty support they gave to Wii U adopters?
Xenoblade X : Import impressions dropped my hype meter to bottom
Yoshi yarn : Dont really care, im saturated with platformers, same reason i said i didnt want retro to make another DK. Its cute, thats pretty much it.
Super mario maker : See above. There's only so much mario and platforming i can do in 2 years..
Fire Emblem X SMT : Oh my god the disapointment of this title in my eyes. It could've had so much potential. If it had been darker ala SMT or even SMT in general rather than the animu shit.
So basically, nintendo didnt show me anything i want to play until... NX probably. Why should i keep the console?
Serious question again : How does one sell the console? With digital downloads, we have to remove NNID?
Not75Drops
Member
I thought that the event started out pretty well but it just really meh after that. It wasn't the worst conference I've seen like some people are saying but it wasn't that great. There was too much time spent on Yoshi and Mario Maker (even though I'm excited for the latter) and while I'm not a fan of AC, that amiibo minigame thing feels pointless. Hopefully this means that they're taking the NX seriously and it's not another Wii U situation where they clearly weren't ready. We'll see soon enough. I think that there's an investor meeting on this week so it'll be interesting to see what happens there. There could also be some form of damage control soon like a direct as others have said.
A bit off-topic but I've never understood the point of selling consoles/handhelds. If you're not planning on using it any more, just store it somewhere, it's not that hard. I've seen plenty of comments throughout the years of people selling their consoles, getting back less than half of what the originally paid for it and then in some cases regretting it later on.
A bit off-topic but I've never understood the point of selling consoles/handhelds. If you're not planning on using it any more, just store it somewhere, it's not that hard. I've seen plenty of comments throughout the years of people selling their consoles, getting back less than half of what the originally paid for it and then in some cases regretting it later on.
Spirit Icana
Member
Eww. Better not be the last one they ever make. I want a cool adventure, not just a bunch of courses using old art styles.
Caipirinha
Member
Hate to say this but I had been a Nintendo only gamer my entire life until the Wii and the Wii U just cemented it: Nintendo refuses to make the games that most of it's now adult original fanbase want.
You now have a situation where you can't claim to be the one true Nintendo fan just because you're keeping your Wii U despite it all, there are many of us in the "Nintendo diaspora" who would love to enjoy our native culture if only the motherland would let us.
I still see zero reason for this company to insist on producing home console hardware anymore, the market they want just does not exist and the Wii was simply a blip. If they try and chase that blip forever, they will fail, and if they stubbornly push on as they did pre-Wii, they will also fail.
Then I simply can't imagine what Nintendo can do besides marketing. New hardware doesn't sell itself. If it's all only for Nintendo games and IPs, even on new hardware, then shit, I guess that leaves them with about 10 million or so people willing to buy a Nintendo console for Nintendo games.
So what changes again? Besides new hardware, that people who didn't buy Wii U, or did buy Wii U, would somehow want to buy?
Edit: Marketing is huge, btw. There are so many amazing games, Nintendo or not, that people simply don't know about.
By becomming thirdparty, they would stop making anything outside of mobile and Mario. Worst possible situation.
GravityMan
Member
If Nintendo were that devoid of interesting new content...then I think they would have been better off just not bothering with a digital event/conference this E3. Some people would have been upset, but with a decent explanation from Nintendo they'd soon get over it. They should've just done the Treehouse and the show floor stuff.
tauroxd
Member
That was pretty much what I felt.
I ceartainly thought they had better things to show and drop, for what other reason would they announce Mother and Smash DLC tow days later? But nope...
GameGuru59
Banned
I think if Nintendo put out a console that was actually graphically up to date, and sold at parity with Microsoft and Sony offerings, they'd come back. Making the Wii not at graphic parity (or at least decently close to the 360 and PS3) was a colossal mistake. They are paying for it now. The Wii could have been the PS2 of that era had they not done that. They should never be that far behind in graphics again.
Hmmm.... Hmppph.... Errrr... Well I finished watching I have interest in Wii U games that were previously announced, but that got a released date. I think the only new game that was shown that piqued my interest was the new Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam because I'm hoping they don't fuck it up like the last Paper Mario.
I couldn't really care less about Star Fox, and I'm not sure how much they expect it to sell.
I couldn't really care less about Star Fox, and I'm not sure how much they expect it to sell.
FunkyDealer
Banned
Did anyone else think they were going to reveal a new Super Mario game at the end
end, but then it turned out to be an ad for a fucking website? That one hurt me.
end, but then it turned out to be an ad for a fucking website? That one hurt me.
Arc Christelle
Member
So accurate. LolEvery Nintendo fan today..
There's two established console platforms out there, there's mobile which is bringing in an enormous amount of money, several developers are finding plenty of new success on PC, why bother with NX?
3rd parties won't care. Who can blame them?
Astral Dog
Member
Yes, Nintendo will try to get third parties on board for NX, like Kingdom Hearts 3. there is no way they can survive without them, if they succeed or not remains to be seen.
I think cannibalizing reveals from previous directs is a bit much for this scenerio since having directs and things to show in them is part of Nintendo's plan. However, saving the Smash DLC and NWC reveals are fair game since those were part of their E3 plan. I know if EarthBound Beginnings were revealed at the Digital Event I'd still be swimming on the high from that to overlook the rest of the shortcomings.
Exactly.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
Nah I'm not saying they're doomed, but they are making continually bad decisions in an increasingly crowded market where their games are continually satisfying a slimmer and slimmer audience. That's not good business and all the cash in the world won't float a bad model for much longer.
Animal Crossing: Amiibo and 100-collector-cards-in-random-packs-of-3 festival
PdotMichael
Banned
They don't need to run out of money to become irrelevant.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
Therefore it will never, ever happen. Everyone sleep well at night, Nintendo will be OK forever no matter how many times they miss an entire generation.
angelic
Banned
this nails it. they actively DONT WANT to make games that make people happy. and after they tasted sucess with the Wii, they now have millions of gamers around the world who have expectations. so what do nintendo always do when expected to do something? they do the opposite. and here we are now. a crap starfox with terrible walkers and gamecube graphics, a horrible zelda party game, DLC disguised as toys, wooly yoshies.
do they really think any third party will touch NX? they must be in dreamland
I don't think parity is the issue. The wii u had 3rd party support early in its life. In fact if I remember it probably had one of the most stacked launches of any console (yes most of the games had come out by that point). 3rd parties don't work on Nintendo because only certain types of games sell on their consoles.
To make up for the content for the next E3, I think nintendo should stop doing directs. That's what I'm getting from what most people said. If they stop doing directs and save all the stuff for E3, this would have been a good Digital Event compared to what people are considering really bad.
Keep in mind, I find this Digital Event okay.
Keep in mind, I find this Digital Event okay.
That's why they're developing mobile titles now.
That why they are getting into mobile and slowing down on wii U support.
A dumb idea I've been tossing around in my head recently: what if Amiibo support could be used to attract third parties? Make the next console easier to port to, then allow third parties to create and use Amiibo in their games.
I mean, shit, wouldn't you pick up Mass Effect 4 on Wii U if you could use a Samus outfit in it?
I wonder, what if Nintendo didn't do their Live Event and instead just showed those trailers dispersed throughout the NWC? Yeah, Metroid probably wouldn't have been received as well (and I kind of get it) but do you think if they had those skits between rounds it wouldn't have been this...hated?
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Can someone explain to me why everyone is rating Nintendo conference as a D- or F--?
I was at work the whole day so it was crazy to see so many posters saying it was like seeing their dog got hit by a truck and then a meteor landed on it that you can't even give a proper burial for your dog.
I was at work the whole day so it was crazy to see so many posters saying it was like seeing their dog got hit by a truck and then a meteor landed on it that you can't even give a proper burial for your dog.
I think they'll keep their own manufacturing but I would like to see it licensed so it can appear in unique form factors like Smart TVs and obviously phones.
The focus on Mario Maker like it's a huge AAA title was absolutely bizarre. It's like a game children with too much time on their hands would play, not something most older Nintendo fans will have the time or interest for.
I'm a huge Nintendo fan and love my 3DS but rather than selling me on Wii U this E3s just made me want a PS4. The tables have really turned when Sony's games have become the hardcore option and Nintendo's the casual.
I'm a huge Nintendo fan and love my 3DS but rather than selling me on Wii U this E3s just made me want a PS4. The tables have really turned when Sony's games have become the hardcore option and Nintendo's the casual.
Yeah, and than people will complain about being kept in the dark for 8 months and unsure of whether they should sell their system. People like to complain. What's worse is that they'll build up their own expectations and get disappointed when Nintendo already showed multiple times this would cover games coming out until early 2016.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
God I hope the next Nintendo home console actually caters to core gamers properly. I don't necessarily care about 3rd party either, just some really solid exclusives that aren't ridiculously easy.
TheSlySoul
Member
Honestly no. I think if they did not do a Digital Event, the hate would be less.
I would have not taken off work today...
I actually think it indicates what they said multiple times: today's digital event was all about games from now to early 2016. If other first or third parties just ended working on some titles/collaborations, why did we expect to see stuff from them today? Why did we expect to see Zelda if they said "Zelda is not going to be at E3"? The only thing we could genuinely expect was something from Retro, considering how they teased something on twitter, but they were nowhere to be found. Sure, Nintendo deserves a lot of criticism for the games they have shown today and for how they did it, but for titles that will be out in fall/winter 2016 and beyond? No guys, just no. I agree that "only 2015-early 2016" was a stupid strategy to begin with, but there wasn't any reason not to believe them. So yeah, i don't think NX is the problem here. We don't even know what that is.