Street Fighter V Tournaments and Showcase featuring: Daigo, Justin Wong, & PogChamp,
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SpiceMelange
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Character with diverse weaknesses is interesting. Homogenizing everyone for the sake of it is boring.
ViewtifulJC
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Which I'm with you normally, but the game seems to punish using projectiles pretty harshly. So you have a sonic boom that's worse than it's ever been in a system that doesn't seem to favor fireball play.
RedAssedApe
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that was a fun watch.
Gentleman Jack
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List of washed up players; Everyone but RB.
Karsticles
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The "PERFECT" screen looks pretty terrible. I get that it's a "V" for SFV, but it doesn't work.
I tried to teach my 1.5 year old nephew how to play Mario and he couldn't really grasp the idea of moving and jumping at the same time.
Haha, could she actually do anything?
I tried to teach my 1.5 year old nephew how to play Mario and he couldn't really grasp the idea of moving and jumping at the same time.
This is the most fireball-friendly Street Fighter since SFII.
MiniBossBattle
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Really good match. Diago looks like he fits this Ryu perfectly. Birdie has so much cool stuff.
Nope. Nash's gameplan is different from Ryu's. It's why he also doesn't have an invincible DP. What's more they still have sonic boom-like recovery allowing Nash to different things off of it. I'm okay with how it looks to work right now.
not necessarily
Charlie has really good rushdown, I don't see why he should also have great zoning. my two cents.
Well there's my issue, has anyone been able to zone effectively with projectiles at all?
CountAntonius
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No matter how much I love CSGO and MOBA's nothing touches Street Fighter from a spectator standpoint. So damn good.
Probably a couple, revealed at EVO.
How so?
Daigo was doing quite well in the fireball game especially in denjin mode with those fast ass fireballs.
Gentle Rodriguez
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I don't think any of the players were interested in playing a zoning game at this event.
I don't agree. Damage is off the charts, there's no chip damage, and there's unique skills to traverse the stage and get through fireballs. Any zoning you might accomplish with a fireball could easily be negated by a 3 hit combo.
I understand, why I"m concerned. It's effectively two heavy nerfs to the sonic boom.
SF3 was incredibly fireball unfriendly, and this is a return to that in a lot of ways- it's definitely by design.
What? SSF4 and USF4 are both very fireball/zoning friendly.
When is Evo?
Also thanks to everyone who answered my questions about characters before. I hope Poison makes it in as well but won't bet on it.
Karsticles
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3S had parries, which made zoning far less effective and encouraged a footsie game.
IV had focus, which could absorb projectiles with potentially no penalty while giving you ultra meter gain, and people could also FADC through projectiles and "get in" sometimes - it was a constant threat to zoning approaches, and it's part of why Dhalsim is so awful.
SFV doesn't have any kind of special mechanic like these, so I take it to automatically be kinder toward fireballs than those entries.
Dive kicks, focus attacks, ambiguous cross-ups, and EX moves that are projectile invincible make it really hard to play the zoning game. Zoners have to work extraordinarily hard to win. That's not to say they can't win (I haven't forgotten Evo 2014 GF), but the amount of work needed is pretty absurd compared to what a Fei Long or Yun player has to do.
it doesnt have any universal mechanics but there are a ton of character specific things to get through fireballs already
Uh, erm, V-Skills? Which are even more rewarding than Focus Attacks at rewarding you for subverting fireballs, in multiple ways at once at that.
It's not at the system level, but everyone pretty much has it and at greater gain with mostly lower risk as well. Fireballs are not compensated for either.
-Unique abilities using the V guage, character based.
-Yes
-No, only ryu it's his V-skill. It's also way more limited than it's SFIII predecessor.
V Trigger's are a mechanic that you activate once the gauge is filled, every character seemingly so far either have 2 or 3 bar gauge and once it's activate it gives the character a unique set of abilities.
FADC are Tupac/Biggie unless it makes a posthumous album as a V Skill
No, everyone has a universal mechanic know as a V-Skill that makes certain characters have a parry or pseudo-parry or a movement skill depending on the characters
BIGWORM
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I heard David saying that Ryu has to "parry twice?"
character specific install mode thing ala vampire saviors dark force or ki's instinct mode.
no focus so no fadc.
only ryu has a parry but everyone has some sort of character specific move in that vein that builds v-gauge.
Edit: got beat
You can't cancel a parry into a move like SFIII, so you get no advantage from it. So if you wanna parry you gotta make sure you parry all the hits coming.
Sure, but it's still better than SFIII by a mile. (Especially in SSF4 -and Ultra's the best it's been since.) The V-Skills really are just parry replacements for so many characters - Sim would get eaten alive here.
I'd love to see a SF4 mode where you could disable Focus Attacks.
Karsticles
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That's true; we'll see how it pans out.
No, Ryu can't cancel the parry into anything but more parries. So, it seems to mostly be about negating chip, though you recover just a bit faster than normal blocking, apparently.
I can agree with that.
not a lot of advantage after a parry I believe. david did a lk xx dp, james parried, davids lk and responded with his own dp, but davids won.
edit: oh you guys were talking about canceling the parry?
I'm betting they change this.
Right now you get advantage if you hit a slow normal like a fierce, but don't if it's something like a jab. I think it balances out well.
Sounds like Garou MOTW, Just Defend would increase recovery from block but not fast enough to stick a normal out.
It did let you guard cancel into a special though.
I think they will have to do something similar with Ryu or the parry skill will be useless for the most part.
Should go up on Youtube officially tonight or tomorrow because of the sub paywall.