No need to spoiler tag that, Microsoft said it themselves that you can upgrade non-legal copies of Windows...
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Killer Instinct announced for PC
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No need to spoiler tag that, Microsoft said it themselves that you can upgrade non-legal copies of Windows...
Yea, but they upgrade into non-legal Windows 10. So if you're not already running a non-legal Windows 7 or 8, I don't see what the point would be.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
I know, but I didn't want to be seen to be actively encouraging it.
I didn't think that was the case? I thought the upgrade was legit.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2899...n-non-genuine-for-pirates-microsoft-says.html
They'd simply rather you be a Windows 10 pirate than a Windows 7 pirate (for ecosystem reasons). They're not creating a "get Windows 10 for free" loophole.
Well that's nice to hear
, wouldn't be a fighting game if I couldn't get online to let people crush meRecursiveFault
Banned
am I reading youtube comments
Nabs
Member
Chill with that shit, man.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Well obviously you're right, but my thought was they would rather people were on Windows 10 legit, even having paid nothing, recouping costs from the store etc.
The answer is not about hardware, it's software. Spencer explicitly said Xbox is not just consoles anymore, he wants people to think of themselves as customers of Xbox Live.
Once people start taking off their system warz hat the first thing they'll hopefully think is that software and service sales are the only reason to make hardware. Hardware doesn't make money unless you're Apple, so if you get your software and services on more hardware you make more money.
There won't be a Windows 11 and there will be another Xbox console. I think MS will take the steam box approach with it though.
Well, in this case they can have their cake and eat it really. They'll let you buy from the store, whilst still nagging you to buy a full version.
If they were going to convert them into legit copies, then they may as well have just made Win 10 completely free for anyone other than OEMs, because it'd have the same effect.
Very unlikely imo. Especially in Killer Instinct's case, where the game has crossplatform multiplayer. They'll want to ensure every PC player is part of the XBL ecosystem, to prevent fragmented functionality on the Xbox side. Unless they went with another GFWL style implementation (and NOBODY wants that), there wouldn't be any other way to guarantee that an Xbox player can send messages / party invites / friend requests / etc to anyone they're matched against. I don't expect to see any of these games hit services like Steam.
They can't sell the service without the console though (they tried before), and on the software side, they get a cut of everyone else's software on the console, whereas on PC it'll be very hard to take that from Valve. They're in no position to make a full transition as things are currently (and in XBL's case, the forseeable future).
SolidSnakeUS
Member
So... it will be on Steam right? This won't force you to use some sort of Xbox/Windows app to get it and play it?
molnizzle
Member
We don't know yet.
Considering it's designed to be played against Xbox players, you can pretty much count on it requiring an Xbox App of some sort.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
Member
based microsoft, day one purchase i can finally play my favorite fighting game from my childhood
molnizzle
Member
They can require that if they want, just let me buy the damn thing on Steam. Put trading cards in it and let me take big picture screenshots and shit natively. Plenty of Steam games require other clients to run (Uplay, Rockstar Social Club, etc.) so it wouldn't be anything new. In fact it'd be a lot more convenient in this case since the additional "client" will be built-in to your OS.
Hmm maybe. I'm not sure that benefits MS attempt to gain more visibilty for their store (which is probably the reason any of these games are happening), but Killer Instinct in particular could use all the visibility it can get.
molnizzle
Member
Any video game will get way more visibility on Steam than it would in the integrated Windows market. Like an order of magnitude more.
If MS wants to trojan-horse PC gamers into their ecosystem then releasing on Steam is actually the best possible thing they could do.
mdsfx
Member
Oh man, that would be sweet
Violence Jack
Member
Finally! This and D4 were the only reasons I wanted an XBO, yet I kept hearing rumors they were eventually coming to PC. Release date?
Maybe in isolated scenarios this is true (Killer Instinct directing people to the Windows Store for other software), but if the games are reliably released on Steam, then why wouldn't people just continue buying them, and everything else off Steam?
If you're honest, that's exactly what you yourself would do, right? Otherwise you wouldn't be so adamant about being able to buy this game on Steam in the first place.
molnizzle
Member
Do you not play games on PC or something? Many Steam games open up an additional client when you launch them. When I click "Play" on Watch Dogs it just opens up the Uplay client. Rockstar is doing it now with their Social Club. Sounds like Bethesda will have something similar with their new games going forward too.
It's annoying, and yes I wish that companies wouldn't do it, but I'd rather they do that than pull an EA and just not release on Steam at all.
Yea I do play quite a bit on PC, and pretty much everything I own was bought from Steam. That's not my point though. There's a reason EA pulled an EA, and that's because they were paying Valve a 30% cut to do shit they could do for themselves. If everyone buys MS' games off Steam, then not only are MS paying a 30% on their own games, on their own OS, but they also don't gain a 30% cut of their own on other people's games. That's the whole point of them having their own store, and throwing everything they make on Steam is essentially just strengthening the enemy.
molnizzle
Member
Right, but many people won't even buy EA's games now because of Origin. Like me for example, I'll buy them on console if I buy them at all. My PC lives under the television in my living room and Steam is the only client that is 100% usable with a controller. To buy a game on Origin I have to bust out a mouse and keyboard or some shit. No thanks.
Now if MS stops being a bunch of dicks and actually treats their own controllers as valid input devices at the OS level then fine. Buying games from their store wouldn't be a hindrance then. If they start getting all new releases there then I might even switch to their app over Steam.
Not holding my breath for that though.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
I'm sure of the difference, I'm sure I've seen cracked versions of windows 7 which are completely indiscernible from legit versions. Even said Genuine with a code when I looked on their properties. It was weird.
A.D. Skinner
Member
I can only assume my insider preview will become full W10?
Oops, I click on this thread, forgot what it was about and then only continued from the last few posts.
I'm glad this can reach a wider audience and fund season 3!
Oops, I click on this thread, forgot what it was about and then only continued from the last few posts.
I'm glad this can reach a wider audience and fund season 3!
Yea, OS level navigation with the joypad is something I've been yelling for ever since Windows 8 added that Start screen. It's really a different topic though. None of what I'm talking about has to do with what I want. I'm just giving reasons why it may not make sense for MS to do so. EA obviously deems the tradeoff worthwhile, and in MS' case they have far more to gain from store visibilty, than a single publisher that only really focuses on selling their own games.
Well, yea, but a cracked version is a different matter. Those people would likely just crack Windows 10 again afterwards. That's not the same as MS doing it for you though.
What do you mean by this? You can buy all, half or any individual characters on X1. There's not really any purchasing preference not accounted for.
It also will be the same, because any you buy on one, you own on the other. So I'd already own all the characters in the PC version.
If by that you mean Xbox integration... then that's 100% definitely going to be there. They're not going to merge the PC and Xbox playbase, and then break the standard Xbox functionality across them. Xbox players willl need to be able to contact PC players through Xbox means.
HarryDemeanor
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KeyboardThug
Member
There is no way this will release on steam. They will want to push the windows store and why would they pay valve money when Microsoft has the servers to handle the downloads.
Cross buy and cross play would be really difficult to pull off on steam without resurrecting GFWL
KeyboardThug
Member
Yep when you login to the windows store you would login with your gamertag email and it would just be there waiting to download. This is what I'm guessing at least.
Now if they did put it on steam that would be great but I give that a very low chance of happening.
Pathfinder
Member
The game has been out for two years. If you were going to buy an Xbox One for KI, you would have by now. You're not fooling anyone.
Take it outside.
mdsfx
Member
I think there are some who were waiting for season 2/3 to be completed. I wasn't initially sold on the original 6 character roster and waited for more characters and refinement before purchasing one.
Pathfinder
Member
Oh, I don't doubt that some people had legitimate reasons for waiting to buy it.
At the same time, based on the tone of his response, I don't believe that he is one of those people.
mdsfx
Member
Agreed. It seemed snarky
I could see that being the case at launch, or even throughout Season 1. But now though? When only Kim Wu and Tusk (and the bosses) are missing from either of the original games? Doesn't sound very likely at all.
It's akin to claiming you'd consider a console for Street Fighter IV alone, and then not buying until Ultra Street FIghter IV because you're holding out for Rolento.
petran79
Banned
EA, Rockstar and Ubisoft franchises are popular enough to promote their respective clients on PC platforms, despite their shortcomings.
Regarding Microsoft's client it is still at an experimental stage. I guess they'll add bigger franchises first and if it helps promoting their client, KI will follow
Or else this will affect the game's sales. Being a fighting game it does not have the luxury for client experimentation and OS exclusivity
Dictator93
Member
So when is the killer instinct stream or whatever that I heard mentioned earlier?
Journey
Banned
Cross buy, yeah - but I don't see why being on Steam would make it difficult to do cross-play? You can release a game on Steam that integrates 0 Steam features or functionality, Steam at its minimum can just be a marketplace and download service/.
Because they use XBL. Hence resurrecting GFWL.