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[Nuts.Pistachio_Nuts!]

So people who didn't give a shit about shenmue 3 being made and were just bitching about ethics fucking ruined a good thing. Happy guys? Talking out of your asses fucks it up for everyone. Wow. All because one platform wasn't announced for this project.....lol wow. Hopefully the ks can pick up some more momentum and get to higher goals for more game features/scenarios.

 

[SomewhatGroovy]

Man im going to be sad if this turns out to be an episodic game

 

[Mr. X]

I thought Sony said they were providing financial support and then Sega said something to that effect. I can't imagine either would get out of bed for less than $2m on a project like this so this seems weird.

I'm happy it's happening however it happens but I'm just confused now.

Marketing can be costly, maybe Sony is helping with that.

 

[Maintenance]

I just want to say ...

FUCK YOU POLYGON AND FUCK YOU NEOGAF

RIP.

 

[Bill Squabber]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-03-20-yu-suzuki-is-looking-into-kickstarter

^From March 2014. I believe him.

 

[2 Slice Toaster]

Some people are spending way too much time overthinking the funding for this. Sony isn't stumping up the cash like it's a first-party game; they are committed to helping the project. In all likelihood, they probably haven't decided how much they're going to contribute yet, and that will probably depend on the success of the Kickstarter.

Imagine the following scenario: campaign limps to $5 million after strong start. Still worth Sony's investment, but maybe they decide to put less in because the drive ultimately tailed off. Consider the alternative: campaign soars up to $8 million, and Yu Suzuki is able to sell Sony on how much the project will improve at $10 million. Sony tops it up to reach the target.

Everything is dependent on the Kickstarter campaign at the end of the day. I think, for now, people need to stop talking about who's contributing what money, and just try to get the Kickstarter as high as possible.

The problem is, we still have to imagine multiple scenarios precisely because there is still a great deal of uncertainty surrounding how much funding in addition to the KS funds is available to Suzuki.

This happens in most other KS, as many have tirelessly pointed out in multiple threads. The problem is, Shenmue 3 is a sequel to a series that is notorious based on the cost of their development, which were magnitudes higher than the KS total, for which we currently understand is supposed to represent the bulk of the project funding.

People have to understand there are a significant amount of people who didn't cry at the announcement at E3, and haven't contemplated on living on bread and bananas for an extensive period of time so that they can up their contribution to the KS. They simply might find the series interesting, possibly even enjoyed the past entries, but are sceptical based on the gulf in funding that has been guaranteed at this point, based against the past. Suzuki and his team have to continue to work to inform consumers about their vision if they want to continue to have people contribute.

Encouraging people to continue contributing, so that the end result is that much greater, is a fine idea. But telling people to stop talking about the KS funding sources, Sony, etc. is not. It is an interesting topic, and people have shown they want to talk about it. NeoGaf has always been about fostering intelligent conversation about gaming, beyond any other community I've seen. But the people who try to dissuade other from conversing about a topic, because in their eyes it is unproductive, or worse, because they feel it is borne out of malice from some petty console-wars BS may be doing it out of their love for Shenmue, but are losing sight of what Neogaf is about.

 

[Nibel]

Man im going to be sad if this turns out to be an episodic game

Why? There was never a mention of this being episodic. 2 million is the bare minimum and it has been reached, this will be a full game from what we know. And nothing indicates anything else.

People seem to love bringing up possible issues or controversies with this game.

Who would have thought the announcement of a sequel to one of the most requested games would bring concern trolling to the next level instead of people being happy for once and not overly pseudo-analytical and trying to be smarter than the people who actually create that content.

 

[Doctor_Thomas]

#SonySaveShenmue

All you people whining (and that's all it was) are the reason we can't have nice things.I would rather Sony just lay down a fat stack and be done with it... oh, but it's unethical. Oh, but that's not what Kickstarter is for.

 

[E-Cat]

But you need to have smaller milestones for the community to push towards.

The project threshold should've been much higher, like $5-10 million. Psychologically, the will to donate becomes a lot more pressing if there's a chance the game will not get funded at all.

 

[Outrun]

So people who didn't give a shit about shenmue 3 being made and were just bitching about ethics fucking ruined a good thing. Happy guys? Talking out of your asses fucks it up for everyone. Wow. All because one platform wasn't announced for this project.....lol wow. Hopefully the ks can pick up some more momentum and get to higher goals for more game features/scenarios.

I think that you are giving those folks way too much credit in their powers of persuasion.

 

[Lady Siara]

Well, I've seen John Drake work his Kickstarter fund raising magic with Amplitude if things look grim. Dude is using Diet Coke black magic.

Then again, that was a bit more dire because Amplitude hadn't even reached its goal yet.

 

[UrbanRats]

Should have set the initial goal to be 5 million instead of the paltry 2. Momentum would likely have been faster and people's expectations about the budget of this game more realistic

Also lets face it, Suzuki is one of the problems. No sane person would even mention future ideas for this series. Everybody was under the impression that IF Shenmue somebow by some miracle ever got a third game that it would obviously be the last

Because even getting to this point was 14 long years of rejection and lack of interest/funding

To know that after all these years of waiting yall might be subject to another cliffhanger...lol. Damn shame, hopefully he rethinks all that during development

Personally i didn't.

The cliffhanger from Shenmue 2 wasn't even that big of a deal for me, because while Shenmue's story was entertaining, it was no Citizen Kane, so it's not like i was in trepidation to know what was going to happen.

It's why i always said i would've had zero interest in a Shenmue manga or whatever, i don't care if Ryo beats up the bad guy or not, Shenmue and Shenmue 2 are easily in my top 5 games, and i just wanted more.

But sure, i get that people want a conclusion.

Personally i don't even have high expectations for this, i am just happy on a symbolic level, 'cause Shenmue 1&2 were absolute masterpieces, and got ignored for the longest time for no reason.
So i want Shenmue 3 to come out and be good, but i'm not expecting it to blow me away like the first two games did.

 

[Synless]

Man im going to be sad if this turns out to be an episodic game

I'll take what I can get.

 

[Trojan X]

I just want to say ...

FUCK YOU POLYGON AND FUCK YOU NEOGAF

I was going to blast this person until I realized that he has a point. That Polygon article was absolutely ill and nothing but baseless trash. Also, there are a couple of threads here on Neogaf that painted a negative picture due to poor assumption, trolling and intention shit parade due to baby-level "why isn't this on my console" attitude. Assumption is the mother of all fuck-ups, people. We should be thankful that this game has a chance of existing and we should be focusing on how to increase funding. After all, and I have said this a million times now, THIS IS OUR LAST CHANCE.

 

[Discotheque]

I haven't even played the second one yet tbh, gonna check it out over the summer tho

But after playing the first I can see why it has had such a cult following

 

[wildfire]

He wants this to be the next Star Citizen. I see the potential to be the next Star Citizen but I strongly doubt he can pull it off considering the way he's doing things.

Good luck to the fans.

 

[jonnyp]

Even though I love the first two games and I've pledged to the KS, this made me lose a lot of hope for this third installment.

 

[QaaQer]

The problem is, we still have to imagine multiple scenarios precisely because there is still a great deal of uncertainty surrounding how much funding in addition to the KS funds is available to Suzuki.

This happens in most other KS, as many have tirelessly pointed out in multiple threads. The problem is, Shenmue 3 is a sequel to a series that is notorious based on the cost of their development, which were magnitudes higher than the KS total, for which we currently understand is supposed to represent the bulk of the project funding.

People have to understand there are a significant amount of people who didn't cry at the announcement at E3, and haven't contemplated on living on bread and bananas for an extensive period of time so that they can up their contribution to the KS. They simply might find the series interesting, possibly even enjoyed the past entries, but are sceptical based on the gulf in funding that has been guaranteed at this point, based against the past. Suzuki and his team have to continue to work to inform consumers about their vision if they want to continue to have people contribute.

Encouraging people to continue contributing, so that the end result is that much greater, is a fine idea. But telling people to stop talking about the KS funding sources, Sony, etc. is not. It is an interesting topic, and people have shown they want to talk about it. NeoGaf has always been about fostering intelligent conversation about gaming, beyond any other community I've seen. But the people who try to dissuade other from conversing about a topic, because in their eyes it is unproductive, or worse, because they feel it is borne out of malice from some petty console-wars BS may be doing it out of their love for Shenmue, but are losing sight of what Neogaf is about.

Talking is fine, but when you get a narrative emerging along the lines of "sony funded game, sony is going to kickstarter, this is shameful", things have gone off the rails.

 

[GavinGT]

The project threshold should've been much higher, like $5-10 million. Psychologically, the will to donate becomes a lot more pressing if there's a chance the game will not get funded at all.

Looking back, yes. But I think he really just wanted to make the game in whatever form he could. If $2 million was the barebones amount he needed to tell the story, he would've settled for that. Setting the goal too high and failing would've killed the momentum for good.

 

[spons]

Unfortunately I think you have a point. The smear campaign started on this forum and Polygon ran with it. Shameful if you ask me.

What do you blame more, a forum with lots of conflicting opinions that regularly mount into a 10+ page shitstorm or a site designed for:

[covering] not only games but the artists who make them, the fans that love them and the culture surrounding them

with some actual smearing done in an article.

 

[get2sammyb]

Encouraging people to continue contributing, so that the end result is that much greater, is a fine idea. But telling people to stop talking about the KS funding sources, Sony, etc. is not. It is an interesting topic, and people have shown they want to talk about it. NeoGaf has always been about fostering intelligent conversation about gaming, beyond any other community I've seen. But the people who try to dissuade other from conversing about a topic, because in their eyes it is unproductive, or worse, because they feel it is borne out of malice from some petty console-wars BS may be doing it out of their love for Shenmue, but are losing sight of what Neogaf is about.

I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from talking about anything. All I'm trying to point out is that there may be not be anything to talk about yet. Sony probably won't decide how much they're going to contribute until the Kickstarter's over - and even when they do, they probably won't be telling us.

I agree with you that it's an interesting point of discussion and I do see the concerns... I just think that it's becoming clearer that, at this stage, everything is dependent on the Kickstarter and the Kickstarter only.

 

[QaaQer]

He wants this to be the next Star Citizen. I see the potential to be the next Star Citizen but I strongly doubt he can pull it off considering the way he's doing things.

Good luck to the fans.

He needs to sell different forklift models and stretch-goal a forklift dogfighting module @ $50M.

 

[GhostTrick]

Sheeesh. The press has been so toxic with this game... seriously.

They nearly claimed it was a scam or something. Some would just say its already funded by Sony and so it doesnt need help anymore.

What the heck seriously. I wait 10 freakin years, nearly half of my life for Shenmue 3 and when it happens its like people try to not make it happen.

 

[Iceternal]

I was going to blast this person until I realized that he has a point. That Polygon article was absolutely ill and nothing but baseless trash. Also, there are a couple of threads here on Neogaf that painted a negative picture due to poor assumption, trolling and intention shit parade due to baby-level "why isn't this on my console" attitude. Assumption is the mother of all fuck-ups, people. We should be thankful that this game has a chance of existing and we should be focusing on how to increase funding. After all, and I have said this a million times now, THIS IS OUR LAST CHANCE.

I'm certainly never going to take back what I said.

Polygon and Gaf are ruining my 14 year long dream with their agenda and stupid negativity, let people be happy FFS !

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

The problem is, we still have to imagine multiple scenarios precisely because there is still a great deal of uncertainty surrounding how much funding in addition to the KS funds is available to Suzuki.

This happens in most other KS, as many have tirelessly pointed out in multiple threads. The problem is, Shenmue 3 is a sequel to a series that is notorious based on the cost of their development, which were magnitudes higher than the KS total, for which we currently understand is supposed to represent the bulk of the project funding.

People have to understand there are a significant amount of people who didn't cry at the announcement at E3, and haven't contemplated on living on bread and bananas for an extensive period of time so that they can up their contribution to the KS. They simply might find the series interesting, possibly even enjoyed the past entries, but are sceptical based on the gulf in funding that has been guaranteed at this point, based against the past. Suzuki and his team have to continue to work to inform consumers about their vision if they want to continue to have people contribute.

Encouraging people to continue contributing, so that the end result is that much greater, is a fine idea. But telling people to stop talking about the KS funding sources, Sony, etc. is not. It is an interesting topic, and people have shown they want to talk about it. NeoGaf has always been about fostering intelligent conversation about gaming, beyond any other community I've seen. But the people who try to dissuade other from conversing about a topic, because in their eyes it is unproductive, or worse, because they feel it is borne out of malice from some petty console-wars BS may be doing it out of their love for Shenmue, but are losing sight of what Neogaf is about.

Awesome post.

 

[openrob]

I'm certainly never going to take back what I said.

Polygon and Gaf are ruining my 14 year long dream with their agenda and stupid negativity, let people be happy FFS !

Je Suis IceEternal

 

[Slayer-33]

Sony Nintendo and MS need to do a trilateral collaboration.

Develop and fund it

 

[ArjanN]

Heh, It hasn't even been a week since the announcement and a dark cloud has already been cast over the project, a complete 180 from Monday.

No need to be all doom and gloom, it's just a vocal minority of concern trolls you see with every kickstarter that wouldn't have backed anyway. I guess with this one there's also some extra fanboyism because a platform holder was involved, but I'm sure that's already offset by all the extra attention they got by being featured at an E3 conference.

That said, they could and should probably be even more open about the funding, and also the stretch goals and such, although I suspect we were going to get a lot of that information through future updates anyway.

 

[Trojan X]

I'm certainly never going to take back what I said.

Polygon and Gaf are ruining my 14 year long dream with their agenda and stupid negativity, let people be happy FFS !

Definitely don't take back what you said because it is true! I feel that my dream is being ruined too due to many of the BS here and Polygon. I'm crossing fingers that, somehow, much things will be forgotten and the negativity isn't too wide-spread. I'm also hoping that someone from the Shenmue team is picking up on everything that is being said here so they can have an emergency meeting first thing on Monday morning in order to figure out what they need to do to improve their funding via Kickstarter. Those that cares, including myself, have already said tons of things that can be done to improve it for we are hopeful for improvements.

 

[2 Slice Toaster]

Talking is fine, but when you get a narrative emerging along the lines of "sony funded game, sony is going to kickstarter, this is shameful", things have gone off the rails.

If things have gone off the rails, it is because of the nature of the information provided by Suzuki, Sony, and everyone involved in the project.

You yourself have recognized how confused people are based on your previous posts. Not everyone on Gaf and outside of it was glued to watching E3 conferences all week. They've heard Shenmue 3 and Sony. I understand people entirely want a positive narrative about this dream game coming out, but there have been recognizable stumbles along the way which are interesting to look at. The people becoming combative and adopting an "us against them" focus are just as bad, and damaging to changing this narrative.

 

[Silent Chief]

He's desperately trying to find some way to include forklifts in the game in a way that will make sense, because Shenmue fans seem to love them.

That needs to be a stretch goal.

 

[Paz]

Just thinking on the Sony / funding angle for a moment and I reckon some of the confusion might come from exactly what the different groups within Sony actually do for the games they work with?

For example Sony have the XDev program for things they publish directly but develop through a third party (Games like Altered Beast fall under this category) while third party relations folks seem to usually be more about co-marketing and limited support (Stuff like No Man's Sky for example which is not published by Sony and coming day and date for PS4+PC, just like we can assume Shenmue 3 is).

Of course you have special cases like Street Fighter V which Sony is definitely funding in some shape or form, but even that is coming to PS4+PC simultaneously so it's not like Sony is publishing the game outright.

Hopefully some more positive articles about the Shenmue kickstarter start going up because it really does seem like Yu Suzuki believes in using this platform to make Shenmue 3 a reality. Like he said in the pitch video, the fate of Shenmue is in our hands.

 

[jacobeid]

I just want to say ...

FUCK YOU POLYGON AND FUCK YOU NEOGAF

Pretty much this.

Embarrassing vitriol picked up by an embarrassing site and this is what we're left with.

Happy, everyone?

 

[Windom Earle]

What do you blame more, a forum with lots of conflicting opinions that regularly mount into a 10+ page shitstorm or a site designed for:



with some actual smearing done in an article.

I blame both. Those topics were not properly moderated. This whole ordeal is very frustrating to me and I think it's time for me to take a break from this often toxic place.

 

[superseohyun]

damn it Sony! first you tried to scam the kickstarter money from backers, now you dont even want to provide funds?

Spoiler

i am sad. hope it can make to 6 millions. Come to think of it, we dont absolutlely need a true open world game. A more focused experience should be fine, too

 

[jacobeid]

This whole ordeal is very frustrating to me and I think it's time for me to take a break from this often toxic place.

This + Witcher 3 "controversy" makes me think the same. Seriously what happened to neoGAF.

 

[Trojan X]

I blame both. Those topics were not properly moderated. This whole ordeal is very frustrating to me and I think it's time for me to take a break from this often toxic place.

Haha! That's exactly how I feel.

I'm going to see if I can contact Yu Suzuki directly in effort to help. That's far more productive at this point.

 

[Coxswain]

Talking is fine, but when you get a narrative emerging along the lines of "sony funded game, sony is going to kickstarter, this is shameful", things have gone off the rails.

Right, but those were two separate narratives.

"Sony-funded game" came from the people who were so hyped up that they thought all their dreams were coming true and Sony was definitely forking over dozens of millions of dollars to make their dream game.

"Sony is going to Kickstarter, this is shameful" came from people who saw the former, took it at face value (which is the stupid, unreasonable part) and went on to point out that it was pretty sleazy for that to happen (which would have been a very reasonable opinion, had it been true, but it wasn't, so fuck 'em).


Meanwhile, anyone who was going "Well hold on a second, let's find out what the fuck is actually happening here before we declare this a good or bad development" was unceremoniously lumped into the latter category, and in the fastest-acting form of revisionist history I've ever seen, those people have now also been blamed for spreading the first narrative, which came from the overenthusiastic superfans to begin with.


And all of this ultimately is on Ys Net for not getting out ahead of it in the first 24 hours and making the clarifications to the situation that we've now received. The superfans would have had to back down from their sunshine-and-rainbows narrative, the hyperreactive skeptics wouldn't have had a leg to stand on with their Chicken Little bullshit, and the people who just wanted clarity out of the situation wouldn't have had a reason to say anything, because they would have gotten it. And now that they have provided those answers, there really isn't much of a controversy here, except that nobody can decide whose fault the previous controversy actually was, and for some reason we all seem to think that it still matters.

 

[mbmonk]

If things have gone off the rails, it is because of the nature of the information provided by Suzuki, Sony, and everyone involved in the project.

You yourself have recognized how confused people are based on your previous posts. Not everyone on Gaf and outside of it was glued to watching E3 conferences all week. They've heard Shenmue 3 and Sony. I understand people entirely want a positive narrative about this dream game coming out, but there have been recognizable stumbles along the way which are interesting to look at. The people becoming combative and adopting an "us against them" focus are just as bad, and damaging to changing this narrative.

This is a good post.

You aren't going to gain support by telling people to go f themselves.

 

[Tricky I Shadow]

Ugh, people – stop whining and just start organizing ways to make more money faster. Time to move on. Suggestions are welcomed!

#10MillionForShenmue3

 

[HighResTomato]

The problem is, we still have to imagine multiple scenarios precisely because there is still a great deal of uncertainty surrounding how much funding in addition to the KS funds is available to Suzuki.

This happens in most other KS, as many have tirelessly pointed out in multiple threads. The problem is, Shenmue 3 is a sequel to a series that is notorious based on the cost of their development, which were magnitudes higher than the KS total, for which we currently understand is supposed to represent the bulk of the project funding.

People have to understand there are a significant amount of people who didn't cry at the announcement at E3, and haven't contemplated on living on bread and bananas for an extensive period of time so that they can up their contribution to the KS. They simply might find the series interesting, possibly even enjoyed the past entries, but are sceptical based on the gulf in funding that has been guaranteed at this point, based against the past. Suzuki and his team have to continue to work to inform consumers about their vision if they want to continue to have people contribute.

Encouraging people to continue contributing, so that the end result is that much greater, is a fine idea. But telling people to stop talking about the KS funding sources, Sony, etc. is not. It is an interesting topic, and people have shown they want to talk about it. NeoGaf has always been about fostering intelligent conversation about gaming, beyond any other community I've seen. But the people who try to dissuade other from conversing about a topic, because in their eyes it is unproductive, or worse, because they feel it is borne out of malice from some petty console-wars BS may be doing it out of their love for Shenmue, but are losing sight of what Neogaf is about.

Great post

 

[QaaQer]

Right, but those were two separate narratives.

"Sony-funded game" came from the people who were so hyped up that they thought all their dreams were coming true and Sony was definitely forking over dozens of millions of dollars to make their dream game.

"Sony is going to Kickstarter, this is shameful" came from people who saw the former, took it at face value (which is the stupid, unreasonable part) and went on to point out that it was pretty sleazy for that to happen (which would have been a very reasonable opinion, had it been true, but it wasn't, so fuck 'em).


Meanwhile, anyone who was going "Well hold on a second, let's find out what the fuck is actually happening here before we declare this a good or bad development" was unceremoniously lumped into the latter category, and in the fastest-acting form of revisionist history I've ever seen, those people have now also been blamed for spreading the first narrative, which came from the overenthusiastic superfans to begin with.


And all of this ultimately is on Ys Net for not getting out ahead of it in the first 24 hours and making the clarifications to the situation that we've now received. The superfans would have had to back down from their sunshine-and-rainbows narrative, the hyperreactive skeptics wouldn't have had a leg to stand on with their Chicken Little bullshit, and the people who just wanted clarity out of the situation wouldn't have had a reason to say anything, because they would have gotten it. And now that they have provided those answers, there really isn't much of a controversy here, except that nobody can decide whose fault the previous controversy actually was, and for some reason we all seem to think that it still matters.

haha, yeah...videogamz.

 

[SomewhatGroovy]

Talking is fine, but when you get a narrative emerging along the lines of "sony funded game, sony is going to kickstarter, this is shameful", things have gone off the rails.

There is no evidence of this resulting in the perceived dire situation according to some here ( not to say you are suggesting this).

People here are angry and graaping for straws and casting blame. My only two thoughts are maybe 5 mins on an E3 stage was the wrong time to have announced this. Maybe they needed more time to fully explain what was going on, be more transparent, and explicitly state what it would take to make this happen.

Also, if Yu really needs the backing of individuals to fund this, they probably should have opened the platforms which this would appear on. there are plenty of Xbox owners out there that could have contributed.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Why doesn't the KS page have a stretch goal that explains all this so he'd continue to get pledges?

 

[DAREALGUMMY]

This needs to be seen by the fans. If people now think Sony will fund this after their statement, pledges will slow down which I already think happened.

 

[jacobeid]

Encouraging people to continue contributing, so that the end result is that much greater, is a fine idea. But telling people to stop talking about the KS funding sources, Sony, etc. is not. It is an interesting topic, and people have shown they want to talk about it. NeoGaf has always been about fostering intelligent conversation about gaming, beyond any other community I've seen. But the people who try to dissuade other from conversing about a topic, because in their eyes it is unproductive, or worse, because they feel it is borne out of malice from some petty console-wars BS may be doing it out of their love for Shenmue, but are losing sight of what Neogaf is about.

I've never even played a Shenmue game and I can tell you that neoGAF was not interested in intelligent conversation when it came to this announcement. Far from it, and some of the worst posting I've seen since I was a lurker.

 

[BrokenBox]

I know it's been mentioned before, but I really hope Suzuki can work something out with Sony so that they can offer a physical PS4 tier. I don't know how huge of a bump that would be, but I know it would be very helpful to the KS and I'm very much hoping for it sincE this is a game where I'll want a boxed copy.

 

[GavinGT]

This needs to be seen by the fans. If people now think Sony will fund this after their statement, pledges will slow down which I already think happened.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/3ai0k7/yu_suzuki_i_expect_individual_backers_to_provide/

 

[Night Hunter]

I know it's been mentioned before, but I really hope Suzuki can work something out with Sony so that they can offer a physical PS4 tier. I don't know how huge of a bump that would be, but I know it would be very helpful to the KS and I'm very much hoping for it sincE this is a game where I'll want a boxed copy.

Seeing the scale of the KS and the number of backers, they are at least leaving 500000$ on the table by not doing it. Add a CE for 100$ and this number would probably be even higher.

 

[J2 Cool]

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