Yu Suzuki: I expect individual backers to provide the majority of funds for Shenmue

Skyzard said:
Knew it.

Get working on more $3K jacket replicas or something!

Fucking clickbait websites.
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There. I fixed it for you. Sony didn't have to fund this game. When people thoughtSony was helping with a big, pledges started to go down, and called them as if they were holding games as "hostages". Now that they are just helping with logistics, and minimal funding, and allowing YS to remain independent, there are still people who are complaining.

Why even try to help an impossible project like this when people are going to do such backlash.

Skyzard said:
The deal was the kickstarter stage time.

That's Sony's full support.

Pathetic. The guy doesn't even have 10 mill!
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The guy wanted independence and Sony respected that. Is that really pathetic?
 
koji kabuto said:
Obviously Sega has no plans to fund anything Shenmue related.
So why hold on the IP and not sell to Sony or anyone interested and make money out of it instead of this slow painful death?
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companies rarely let go of IP unless they're offered huge amounts or they don't find it beneficial to hold onto it

sega has been doing okay on shenmue merchandise these last few years. not that they'd be likely to hand it over anyway.

i can only imagine how much it cost microsoft to buy the gears of war licence
 
Edit: As Remachinate's pointed out, this should be taken as words that Kuchera said to someone else about writing artitcles while he doesn't follow them.

https://twitter.com/BenKuchera/status/296440677728940032

Golden one

https://twitter.com/BenKuchera/status/296443415208534017

Ben Kuchera
@erikkain Absolutely. When you post bad information it should hurt you. Your one job is to not do that. Fail, and it's bad news.
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Comes from https://storify.com/stillgray/kuchera-vs-kain-sex-lies-and-videogames
 
Krejlooc said:
The detractors never had any intent to back at all. It's all feigning moral superiority and outrage culture.
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You against the world, fuck the haters, etc.

You seriously believe that there is a systematic campaign to undermine the development of Shenmue 3? That the majority, if not all the people expressing concerns about the project have no interest in seeing it succeed, or possibly contributing to the campaign under any circumstances?
 
Skyzard said:
The deal was the kickstarter stage time.

That's Sony's full support.

Pathetic. The guy doesn't even have 10 mill!
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But that backfired Shenmue that Sony give it a spotlight in its show (I personally didn't care, I was just happy for him). So a shit storm has been unleashed with missinformation and conspiracy theories.

Without a PR (like Reggie, say what you want but he does his job) to damage control and rely informations, the conspiracy plot grew then spread through internet thanks to those click bait websites and trolls. Yu did what he could alone an AMA to reasured people.

Now, thankfully Sony is stepped in and clarified things over their part but internet is fast some damages has been done. All we can do is too help doing the damage control by spreading REAL information and help poor Yu to get out of this shit storm.
 
^ So, Sony are giving him 10 million/enough funding to make a proper shenmue 3?

Juan29.zapata said:
There. I fixed it for you. Sony didn't have to fund this game. When people thoughtSony was helping with a big, pledges started to go down, and called them as if they were holding games as "hostages". Now that they are just helping with logistics, and minimal funding, and allowing YS to remain independent, there are still people who are complaining.

Why even try to help an impossible project like this when people are going to do such backlash.



The guy wanted independence and Sony respected that. Is that really pathetic?
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What's pathetic is how they are going to ruin a legendary game with underfunding to sell themselves at e3.

I was skeptical Sony was giving him proper support. Others were saying nah they got us!
Nope. Sony.
 
I don't even care for the 10 million goal. I had the story at 2 million as a Shenmue fan... the story is what I wanted. I was one of those fans that didn't care what medium the story came in, I just wanted to know. If we can't get the "full Shenmue" experience for the biggest goal, I'm sure all of the people who really cared for Shenmue will not mind at all. Nicety, yes, but not a deal breaker.

The deal for outside funds doesn't really matter... the game is happening. The story is happening. So for all the hoopla around not getting to 5 million, or 10 million, I truly don't think the fans care because we actually have it happening.
 
I think it will easily make it over 5 million. Maybe 6. HOPEFULLY 7. Like the thing posted about Igarashi's KS showed, there's a huge slowdown in the middle and massive funding on the last days.

10 million seems...eeeeeeeh. But hopefully if it gets past 5-6 million then the exterior cash will be less hard to find and they could round it up
 
Skyzard said:
What's pathetic is how they are going to ruin a legendary game with underfunding to sell themselves at e3.

I was skeptical Sony was giving him proper support. Others were saying nah they got us!
Nope. Sony.
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The alternative is worse for fans, they get nothing.
 
I plan on backing it for the $29 bracket start of next month.

Although I can already budget my self into broke-ness on the 1st of next month but I got signed off from college yesterday so what the hell :P

I hope it reaches the current stretch goals by the time the KS ends and that Sony or SEGA stump the cash (providing Suzuki isn't thinking of a $80,000,000 budget) to fully realize some elements of it.
 
Krejlooc said:
I believe there are people who go around from moment to moment looking for "the next big scandal," yes.
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You just made a sweeping statement that implies you think ANY person who is a detractor of how the project has unfolded thus far did so just to damage the project's success, and not out of any genuine concern or desire to ever contribute to it.

You don't think that sounds like something approaching zealotry?
 
Skyzard said:
The deal was the kickstarter stage time.
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Chaos17 said:
that just kinda confirmed they're just giving a push about the PR.
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That's exactly what they said during the announcement and what I understood at that time.

Then the social media "quick I have to react fast for my followers without even reading" garbage crowd made up some fantasy where Sony was financing it by pocketing all our money at the same time
 
If they add a "physichal PS4 edition" tier, they'll get those 10 millions.

That's the reason why I haven't support it yet.
 
SomewhatGroovy said:
A quick update to filter the noise from reality please? Thanks in advance
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Sony is stepped in and is trying to clarify their part
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=169187813&postcount=818
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dL198n2d0o

Please spread these if you can on your social media.

koziakauzu said:
That's exactly what they said during the announcement and what I understood at that time.

Then the social media "quick I have to react fast for my followers without even reading" garbage crowd made up some fantasy where Sony was financing it by pocketing all our money at the same time
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Yes, people like to jump to conclusion and we've shit storm now to fight.
We can't let Yu alone handle this.
 
2 Slice Toaster said:
You just made a sweeping statement that implies you think ANY person who is a detractor of how the project has unfolded thus far did so just to damage the project's success, and not out of any genuine concern or desire to ever contribute to it.

You don't think that sounds like something approaching zealotry?
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I think, as an example, your grilling of my obvious hyperbole is evidence of precisely what I am talking about.

But I stand by my assertion - those who say they are 'concerned' about shenmue 3's kickstarter campaign never had any intention of honestly backing.
 
koziakauzu said:
That's exactly what they said during the announcement and what I understood at that time.

Then the social media "quick I have to react fast for my followers without even reading" garbage crowd made up some fantasy where Sony was financing it by pocketing all our money at the same time
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I really want to know why someone would think Sony would want to suffer a massive PR backlash for the pocket change they'd get from the KS.
 
Averon said:
I really want to know why someone would think Sony would want to suffer a massive PR backlash for the pocket change they'd get from the KS.
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They were probably confused how kickstarter was really helping if Sony was going to fund it.

They likely didn't expect Sony's support to just be stage time.

But yeah probably just outrage stuff. They'd still get the game if they backed.
 
koziakauzu said:
Then the social media "quick I have to react fast for my followers without even reading" garbage crowd made up some fantasy where Sony was financing it by pocketing all our money at the same time
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Go back to the reveal threads. That "all the rest of the budget is coming from Sony" fantasy was perpetuated by the game's supporters more than its detractors. Originally it was the answer to people thinking the low budget was unrealistic.
 
Krejlooc said:
I think, as an example, your grilling of my obvious hyperbole is evidence of precisely what I am talking about.

But I stand by my assertion - those who say they are 'concerned' about shenmue 3's kickstarter campaign never had any intention of honestly backing.
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So you are asserting that I am acting in bad faith because I am expressing concerns over the kickstarter campaign, and have no interest in ever actually being a part of it, as I have previously stated.

I genuinely want to understand if that is what you're implying or if I am misreading obvious hyperbole again.
 
This potentially has a shot at 10 mil if they handle things correctly. Like, get an ending stream with Sony PR people....since they claim to be handling the marketing side of it.

Bloodstained had about 56% of its total funds achieved at the start and end of the campaign. Doing the math, this campaign roughly lands in the 10 mil range if the last 2 days brings in the same amount as the start.

maybe.
 
Krejlooc said:
I think, as an example, your grilling of my obvious hyperbole is evidence of precisely what I am talking about.

But I stand by my assertion - those who say they are 'concerned' about shenmue 3's kickstarter campaign never had any intention of honestly backing.
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I'm not ashamed to admit I'm one of those. I care a lot about how Kickstarter is used; it has done a lot of good for the state of game development, and has the potential to do a lot more. I frankly don't like how it's been co-opted by big publishers; using it as a tool to gauge fan interest before "real funding" comes in destroys the spirit of the site. There's other ways to generate interest for a game without collecting fan money without giving them recourse. Backers deserve to understand why their money is needed, and the risks involved.

I'm not saying the Shenmue Kickstarter deliberately misled backers, and make no mistake: I have nothing against it being made, despite not being among the fanbase. But there's no denying there was a lot of misinformation when the Kickstarter was launched, and there's nothing wrong with trying to educate the fanbase about whether they're getting what they expect when they shell out their $30. Treating "concern" like a four-letter word even when rooted in a legitimate issue is super anti-consumer, and encourages enthusiasm rather than prudence to drive Kickstarter funding.
 
Remachinate said:
I'm not ashamed to admit I'm one of those. I care a lot about how Kickstarter is used; it has done a lot of good for the state of game development, and has the potential to do a lot more. I frankly don't like how it's been co-opted by big publishers; using it as a tool to gauge fan interest before "real funding" comes in destroys the spirit of the site. There's other ways to generate interest for a game without collecting fan money without giving them recourse. Backers deserve to understand why their money is needed, and the risks involved.

I'm not saying the Shenmue Kickstarter deliberately misled backers, and make no mistake: I have nothing against it being made, despite not being among the fanbase. But there's no denying there was a lot of misinformation when the Kickstarter was launched, and there's nothing wrong with trying to educate the fanbase about whether they're getting what they expect when they shell out their $30. Treating "concern" like a four-letter word even when rooted in a legitimate issue is super anti-consumer, and encourages enthusiasm rather than prudence to drive Kickstarter funding.
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You are very misinformed about the role of this kickstarter.
 
I don't get it.

People are annoyed with others for raising concerns that turn out to be valid?

People might chip in more now that they know he really needs it. Would fans really take out their pledge out of worry? I don't think so.

A proper shenmue game needs more money than they have. Now we KNOW. He probably won't get 10million. But they lowballed too much at 2million. I mean wtf.
 
border said:
Go back to the reveal threads. That "all the rest of the budget is coming from Sony" fantasy was perpetuated by the game's supporters more than its detractors. Originally it was the answer to people thinking the low budget was unrealistic.
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I agree with this.

Things we don't know:

How much outside funding the game is getting and from whom.

Why is the game limited to PS4 and PC? Was that Sony's stipulation?

What the actual scope of the game is and what studio will be supporting? I'm assuming he doesn't have an Expendables crew of old master coders looking to get back into the game just lying around.

If Sony puts a PS4 console exclusive game on their E3 stage, of course people are going to assume they're funding it. I don't get the conspiracy theory. Sony wasn't clear on the E3 stage what their involvement was. They wanted that PR win.
 
Skyzard said:
People are annoyed with others for raising concerns that turn out to be valid?
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People's "concerns" with the kickstarter have changed at least twice on this very page alone. First it was about "ethics in games funding (tm)" now it's "Yu Suzuki can't make a game at all."

And neither concern was ever "valid."
 
koji kabuto said:
The goal on the kickstarter page is 2m.
Where everyone got the 10m from?
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In the OP. The underlined red response about 10 million before it "truly has openworld experience."

koji kabuto said:
The goal on the kickstarter page is 2m.
Where everyone got the 10m from?
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Krejlooc said:
People's "concerns" with the kickstarter have changed at least twice on this very page alone. First it was about "ethics in games funding (tm)" now it's "Yu Suzuki can't make a game at all."

And neither concern was ever "valid."
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Those aren't...but the concerns about funding and the game quality we'll get at this stage...

He was planning to go ahead with 2million... the base game... I know why, and I don't blame him. But that's not a full shenmue.
 
koji kabuto said:
The goal on the kickstarter page is 2m.
Where everyone got the 10m from?
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Someone asked Yu Suzuki what he would do with additional budgeting beyond $2 million. He said that his goal of $2 million is basically for the story driven portion of the game, and that additional funding is for the other stuff (mini-games, arcade games, etc). He said that $10 million in funding would create "a true open-world shenmue title" presumably in line with the original.
 
Suzuki and specially Sony should have been more clear about this whole campaign, how exactly every part was involved and how much money was actually necessary.They can only blame themselves for the fading momentum.
 
Yikes I thought Sony would be giving a decent chunk of change. This game is going to be barebones. All these rewards are going to suck a lot out of their dev budget.
 
Skyzard said:
Those aren't...but the concerns about funding and the game quality we'll get at this stage...
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So don't fund. "I don't think this is good enough" is not deceit, nor is it worthy of creating a backlash campaign about ethics or whatever people are justifying their outrage as.

Yu Suzuki clarified the type of game $2 Million gets us. We're already past $2 million.
 
There was backlash againsr Shenmue 3? Seriously? Seriously?

What a fucking disgrace.

Just goes to show that you can't please everyone.

And yes, I saw Salsa's thread the day of announcement about it being scummy of Sony and Yu for the kickstarter route we well as that shitty Polygon article. You would think everyone would be happy that the game would eventually exist. I guess not...
 
I'm surprised people are still excited after seeing that brutal Kickstarter video... it just doesn't seem like it will live up to expectations and it doesn't have a young energetic dev team to make a small budget go far.
 
Skyzard said:
I don't get it.

People are annoyed with others for raising concerns that turn out to be valid?

People might chip in more now that they know he really needs it. Would fans really take out their pledge out of worry? I don't think so.

A proper shenmue game needs more money than they have. Now we KNOW. He probably won't get 10million. But they lowballed too much at 2million. I mean wtf.
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There is a difference between be worried and dooming a project.
 
Chaos17 said:
Someone give me a fork!

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Christ.

Why can't people get it through their heads that Sony is not getting any of the KS money?
 
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