14 years ago maybe? Otherwise we would have gotten shenmue 3 on the 360.
Yu Suzuki: I expect individual backers to provide the majority of funds for Shenmue
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s_mirage
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Yup. Despite the fast start, the daily donations have dropped below Bloodstained's at the same point. The stretch goals aren't compelling either; the later ones are too nebulous given that we know little of the new game's design.
They need to do something to stimulate more interest, especially if they hope to get a similar boost to Bloodstained in the final couple of days.
SuperEpicGuy
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Ehhh, I don't think that's happening.
I mean it could if for some reason the backers spiked, but just because you made a good game on ps2 doesn't mean that you will make a fantastic game on ps4. 10 million is way too much.
I mean it could if for some reason the backers spiked, but just because you made a good game on ps2 doesn't mean that you will make a fantastic game on ps4. 10 million is way too much.
There's a good chance that Sony's involvement came with an exclusivity requirement.
Ehhh, I don't think that's happening.
I mean it could if for some reason the backers spiked, but just because you made a good game on ps2 doesn't mean that you will make a fantastic game on ps4. 10 million is way too much.
On PS2, yes.
Jackbooted
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Well that's kinda poopy. Yu is relying on user funds to get this project done but Sony is still pulling strings?
Kwansu Dudes
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Yeah, I don't know why some people are upset about this. Disappointed I can see, but he asked Sony for help himself, and they agreed. It would be nice if Sony and MS could both help fund this but that isn't happening.
After they barely promoted Shenmue 2 on the Xbox which was followed by really low sales numbers, Microsoft was probably not the top of Yu's list of console makers to partner with.
Kwansu Dudes
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Was it anything like how they promoted D4? If so, I can see why he wasn't exactly rushing to their doorstep with this. I never thought of this point either. Thanks.
BudokaiMR2
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I wish people would actually look at data before making claims.
It's still too early to tell, but the daily pledges on the off days are actually almost exactly in line with Bloodstained.
BS Day #4: $104k
KS Day #4: $174k
BS Day #5: $90k
KS Day #5 $88k
BS Day #6: $119k
KS Day #6: $89k
I will say that I do expect the campaign to have less ups during the middle as Fangamer did too good of a job with their updates on Bloodstained. However, the crazy amount on the first few days could also mean a larger finish for Shenmue 3.
But, it is definitely on track to perform very well so far unless pledges drop of considerably.
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What I've read I get the impression the kick starter and funds from various sources will find the game dev .. Sony is probably
Providing the funds needed to port it to ps4 and a heavy marketing budget for the ps4 version ... Which makes sense if you consider what ppl are saying about not enough marketing by xbox for s2 ... This needs to sell well for the franchise to have hope . Given marketing budgets are almost as much as dev budgets these days it's def possible yu is lookin at 10 mill kickstarter 10-15 mill other funders and sony porting plus 25-30 mill marketing . That would justify making it ps4 exclusive while at the same time sony isn't really providing any big funding for dev part
What I've read I get the impression the kick starter and funds from various sources will find the game dev .. Sony is probably
Providing the funds needed to port it to ps4 and a heavy marketing budget for the ps4 version ... Which makes sense if you consider what ppl are saying about not enough marketing by xbox for s2 ... This needs to sell well for the franchise to have hope . Given marketing budgets are almost as much as dev budgets these days it's def possible yu is lookin at 10 mill kickstarter 10-15 mill other funders and sony porting plus 25-30 mill marketing . That would justify making it ps4 exclusive while at the same time sony isn't really providing any big funding for dev part
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
I've wanted this for so long, but I can't bring myself to back this after the way it's been handled. Seems like it could be a train wreck, but if it's looking good around release I'll just buy it then.
JonathanNemo
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There was also that teensy issue with Crimson Dragon being delayed, ported, redoing the soundtrack and other bits, and not even bothering to promote it that might have also demonstrated that Microsoft isn't that great at promoting games that might appeal to longtime Sega fans.
And that whole Phantom Dust situation too. The first time, where Majesco had to pick it up for a Stateside release, then the second time where they commissioned a port and put its developer six feet under.
And then there was the D4 situation, too.
Maybe it's not that Microsoft stinks at promoting their own Sega-ish titles, maybe Microsoft just kind of sucks at promoting Japanesey games in general. Except for Team Ninja's stuff, at one time.
You've looked forward to this for ages and can't bring yourself to back 30 bucks which also ensures you a copy ?
I've looked forward to very few games and a cs1.6 remake in the pre csgo era would def have got my backing even thru muddled pr.
AstroNut325
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There are pics around with Yu having lunch with MS execs. I have a feeling he already approached them and they refused to provide any support.
Edit:
There won't be another opportunity. If this fails to receive adequate funds to make a proper Shenmue game, then Shenmue is never happening again. This is your only chance to make it possible to get another Shenmue.
Ah I really dont know what to say here :/
JonathanNemo
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$29 US dollars is a lot to some people.
this is the awful result of hyperbolic outrage culture, for those who have been asking whom such culture affects.
I can imagine that if his post didn't include the I'll pick it up at launch ... If 30 is significant to you and it is to many ppl then picking games for full price 60 at launch isn't the best idea either ...
Fallout-with-swords
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Kickstarter's seem to be very front loaded and back loaded I bet they make over 75% of their money in the first and last couple of days. We saw it with Amplitude, it got off to a great start and looked like it was a sure thing, then at the mid-way point it was easy to right it off. Looked like there was no way it was going to happen. Then of course the last few days it peaked again and made it. Shenmue is different because it is "backed", there isn't that same desperation with fans for not making a stretch goal vs. not making the game at all.
Might back the $30 though, it's game I might as well play so I can understand what others are talking about. Is there an easy way to play the first two?
Might back the $30 though, it's game I might as well play so I can understand what others are talking about. Is there an easy way to play the first two?
Dreamcast... and finding 2 copies for cheap.
Fallout-with-swords
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Hmmmm, maybe I'll just find a lets play...
The second one can be played on Xbox and 360 though but yeah.. the first one is a little more tricky to play.
LookAtMeGo
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This better happen.
Thanks heaps for clearing it up. Glad to see Sony helping.
Hopefully will be able to up my pledge from the $175 to the $500 soon. Really want all the toys and the autograph.
Oh, It is happening. But if it doesn't get enough it just won't happen the way people want it.
Maybe Adam doesn't know all the details? I mean, there's clearly a lot of misinformation/misinterpretation so who knows at this point.
Firmus_Anguis
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Man I really hope this news catches on! Misinformed fans especially need to be informed asap! I bet you there are enough Shenmue fans out there willing to spend 30 bucks for the game of their dreams!
I, unfortunately, never owned a dreamcast - But I'm 100 % sure I would've been a fan had I owned both. (Never played it on Xbox either).
But I really feel for the fans, I really want you guys and gals to get the game you've all been waiting for!
I hope it reaches the 10 million mark!!
I, unfortunately, never owned a dreamcast - But I'm 100 % sure I would've been a fan had I owned both. (Never played it on Xbox either).
But I really feel for the fans, I really want you guys and gals to get the game you've all been waiting for!
I hope it reaches the 10 million mark!!
Littlefang
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Seeing as how I've been named I'll respond. I disagree with the lack of transparency regarding this kickstarter and I disagree with Sony (in this instance) for using Kickstarter as a way to gauge interest in the project. But I can clearly see that Sony has not provided Shenmue with the support that it needs and therefore, it needs its fans to fund it through a kickstarter. As such, I apologize for the comments that I made alluding to the contrary.
Grimløck;169201558 said:
Surprised to see that I seem to have had a sex change. I think it's more realistic to assume that's simply someone looking to stir up controversy which has been publicized further by this thread.
Ehhh, I don't think that's happening.
I mean it could if for some reason the backers spiked, but just because you made a good game on ps2 doesn't mean that you will make a fantastic game on ps4. 10 million is way too much.
Weird comment, you're going to ignore Yu's other great games he had made? He was one of the most consistent designer/director's in putting out quality games, but suddenly he'll make a bad game on PS4? Wut?
Elfforkusu
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Shenmue, uh, finds a way.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
hahahaha, what? Nobody is outraged. The only things I've really taken into consideration are what Yu himself said and their own KS pitch.
To expand on it.... as a responsible consumer, I really just don't like KS. It's not about the money. I bought Shenmue 1 on DC on release day and Shenmue 2 on Xbox on release day and loved both. If this looks like it's shaping up nicely I'll buy it on release day.
I'm glad this got funded and will follow it closely the next few years.
PanicFreak
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You are high if you think that Sony will spend 25-30 million marketing this game. It will be sent out to die with minimal marketing support from Sega or Sony. The game will sell maybe 750,000 units, end on a cliff hanger and you'll be left begging for a sequel for the next 10 years.
Sectorseven
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SuperEpicGuy
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I have no idea who this Yu guy is as I started getting into gaming about 3 years ago and don't play many japanese games. I just assumed his most famous contribution is the shenmue series.
JonathanNemo
Member
I was going to say.
uh.
What PS2 game?
The guy was more or less pushed out of Sega's big projects when the Dreamcast died. Don't be an expert if you can't check the basics on Wikipedia, dude.
Don't panic.
you claim this is a "mess." This isn't a mess, this is a pretty straight forward kickstarter campaign, that has a bunch of noise about it from people looking for an issue to kick up dirt about.
If the outrage about "transparency" hasn't affected your decision, why do you call this a "mess"? What is messy about this?
BoboBrazil
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I feel like if there was a Xbox release coming sites like Polygon et al would have never said a negative word about this. As it stands there are a bunch of bitter people out there that seemingly want to see it fail or not be as successful as it could be. I hope he does hit his 10 million goal or gets close, because I'd like to see his fully realized vision for the game and hopefully get more games from Suzuki in the future.
According to Yu Suzuki it was $47mil actually (he said that at GDC about 4 years ago), and that's for the whole franchise. And we don't know how many money had been spent on actual development.
Also it is much easier to develop a game now than 15 years ago (modern tools, powerful hardware, etc.). So, who knows. And, anyway, Shenmue is not GTA V or Witcher 3 in terms of scale.
I think this will go past $5 million without much difficulty. I think ending up around $8 million isn't really impossible, but it would take consistent funding with a large push at the end.
Silent Chief
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In Japan both games were on Dreamcast and the Xbox One installed based is less than 55K. Where does Suzuki live again?
pixellated_man
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People saying Sony are being mean with the amount they are willing to invest towards the development of the game, are missing one very important detail that came from the mouth of Adam Boyes, in that Gamespot interview.
They will go 'big' with the marketing of the game, according to him, which in today's landscape means a LOT of money. I would think it could easily outstrip the development of the game itself, especially if it is made on a budget of say, £7-10 million. Look at Witcher 3, where they spent as much on marketing as on developing a AAA open world rpg.
I think this is what Sony offered Y's net for console exclusivity - full marketing costs and to a lesser extent, some help with their development costs.
They will go 'big' with the marketing of the game, according to him, which in today's landscape means a LOT of money. I would think it could easily outstrip the development of the game itself, especially if it is made on a budget of say, £7-10 million. Look at Witcher 3, where they spent as much on marketing as on developing a AAA open world rpg.
I think this is what Sony offered Y's net for console exclusivity - full marketing costs and to a lesser extent, some help with their development costs.
alexandros
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So, is there significant Sony funding or not? Is the game console exclusive to PS4 or not? We still don't seem to have any straightforward answers and that is a real problem. People can trash Kuchera's Polygon article all they want, I'm assuming out of love for the Shenmue franchise, but it raises valid and important questions. When a Kickstarter game appears on the E3 stage of a platform holder it is natural to ask what part said holder plays on the development of the game.
As I said before, I am not at all opposed to the idea of using Kickstarter in order to secure more funds and bring a niche project to life. However, when you are asking people to pay for a product that they will get after several years you need to be absolutely transparent about a) what kind of product it will be, what its scope will be depending on the amount raised, b) how much money you will need to complete it and c) where that money will come from. From my point of view the Shenmue Kickstarter campaign failed on all three fronts.
During the span of a few days we've heard several different versions about Sony's involvement with the project. At first it was "we just want to help out a friend so we're giving him the stage", then it was "if fans back it we will absolutely make this a reality", which is what got everyone thinking that Sony was heavily investing in the project and sparked the backlash, and now it's "we'll help with marketing and pay for a PS4 version". If I got something wrong please correct me, there have been so many confusing and contrasting statements that I may still have it wrong.
I suppose I am going to be called out as a 'concern troll', the idiotic blanket statement that is lately being used to deflect all criticism and dismiss legitimate concerns. There is an unbelievable amount of hostility being directed towards people who are basically saying "when you are asking for money directly from consumers in order to fund the game you have to be as clear and transparent as possible".
Why didn't everyone say the truth from the beginning? Kickstarter backers will fund most of the development and determine the game's scope, some external investors will chip in, Sony will pay for the PS4 port and some of the marketing. Clear as day. Would anyone have a problem with that? Why did we have to put up with all this obfuscation in the first place?
this is a good summary of sony's involvement
yu suzuki said himself in a famitsu article that kickstarter would be the primary funding, but it seems the games media just ignored it because it would require doing some work and actually translating the fucking thing