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[Princess Carl]

I think you have no clue what you are talking about, you can chat with people on your team just like halo before it. The game modes are fun, the biggest issue is how some of the modes are only around for a week at a time but that doesn't take away from how good they are.

Yeah you could go on but you would still be wrong.

The only PVP mode that is not matchmade is Trials and that wouldn't be fun with randoms. The elimination game mode that has matchmaking is a blast and easily one of the funniest modes I have played in crucible.

Iron Banner is easily one of the best multiplayer experiences i have had especially with a fullfire team.

Look I like Halo multiplayer and think it's fun especially Halo 3 and Reach but I think the experience of Crucible are just as fun as previous bungie games.

This "randoms" argument comes up only in Destiny threads.

You know why they're randoms? Because there's no meaningful way to communicate and turn these randoms into wait for it, FRIENDS. Something that has been how MP gaming has worked for years before this game decided to say fuck that.

Halo 2,3,Reach all predicated on the crazy idea that MP meant communicating with these people you are playing with and eventually making friends with them. Would you like every single person you came into contact with? Of course not, but that's what the mute function has been made for.

 

[Caja 117]

But you do know that WoW and Final Fantasy literally have 100x more content than Destiny does? (WoW even more so. If we count quests as missions....then it probably has 1000x more content than Destiny does.)

14 subscription is cheaper if you pay for more time. I think it's around $12 or something if pay for three or six months at a time. Not a huge difference, but enough to make note of.

I realize that's not what the thread is about.

Also WoW and FFXIV blow Destiny away in terms of content, so you're not matching price for content with this comparison.

I know for a fact FFIV has more content than Destiny as I have it, thats why I believe that the monthly subscription is justified, just as I feel that Destiny tag is worth for the content you are getting, basically for half of what you pay for a proper MMO, you get Destiny content, that is greater than a lot of console games, especially console FPS.

but this went of topic, so we should just stop.

 

[The Flash]

https://twitter.com/DyingLightGame/status/613758146830594048/photo/1

lawd have mercy

 

[Jest Chillin]

14 subscription is cheaper if you pay for more time. I think it's around $12 or something if pay for three or six months at a time. Not a huge difference, but enough to make note of.

I realize that's not what the thread is about.

Also WoW and FFXIV blow Destiny away in terms of content, so you're not matching price for content with this comparison.

But you do know that WoW and Final Fantasy literally have 100x more content than Destiny does? (WoW even more so. If we count quests as missions....then it probably has 1000x more content than Destiny does.)

The nature of the games and how they're constructed (additionally in WoW's case, it's 10-ish year existence) means they're bad comparisons regardless of the Subscription and Expansion costs (which are actually higher than he projected if you calculate from the original launch at full prices).

Apples and Oranges.

 

[RoboPlato]

This pisses me off way more than the emotes.

 

[piratethingy]

This "randoms" argument comes up only in Destiny threads.

You know why they're randoms? Because there's no meaningful way to communicate and turn these randoms into wait for it, FRIENDS. Something that has been how MP gaming has worked for years before this game decided to say fuck that.

Halo 2,3,Reach all predicated on the crazy idea that MP meant communicating with these people you are playing with and eventually making friends with them. Would you like every single person you came into contact with? Of course not, but that's what the mute function has been made for.

I'm as disappointed in Destiny as I think I could possibly be in a videogame, but I think this is a bit much to lay at Bungie's feet. This is a problem that's pretty consistent across every current gen console multiplayer game I've played, the newest CoD, Splatoon (lol!), Diablo, etc. Nobody talks and it fucking sucks.

 

[Lothars]

This "randoms" argument comes up only in Destiny threads.

You know why they're randoms? Because there's no meaningful way to communicate and turn these randoms into wait for it, FRIENDS. Something that has been how MP gaming has worked for years before this game decided to say fuck that.

Halo 2,3,Reach all predicated on the crazy idea that MP meant communicating with these people you are playing with and eventually making friends with them. Would you like every single person you came into contact with? Of course not, but that's what the mute function has been made for.

You can communicate with anyone that you play with in crucible that you get matched up with. Which is exactly the same as Halo did.

 

[Kinsella]

Destiny is far from content starved, those who play the game on a regular basis understand what the game is, and how it didn't match up with what was communicated to gamers before the Alpha came out. The game is far, far from perfect but Bungie seems to be listening to their audience and changing it on a monthly basis, anyone who's been playing the game since September can tell you how different it is now.

I'm not defending Bungie or Activision's actions, but the blind shit posts being made by people who clearly say they have no interest or are super happy they never got into it seem to have a lot of interest in ripping Bungie apart for business decisions regarding their game that I've seen many times over with other AAA "blockbuster" titles.

I can't stand the fact that strikes, weapons, and maps are paywalled by Sony. But that's kinda how shit works and I chose to play on the Xbox to join a much larger group of my friends so that's a choice I made. I can also choose not to buy the TTK, or not to purchase a can of Redbull if I sorely disagree with the business decisions that are being made, I don't see how blindly shitting on a developer makes any sense.

I play the game on a regular basis. It's content starved. Especially considering it cost me 100 dollars for all this amazing "content".

 

[Caja 117]

I'm as disappointed in Destiny as I think I could possibly be in a videogame, but I think this is a bit much to lay at Bungie's feet. This is a problem that's pretty consistent across every current gen console multiplayer game I've played, the newest CoD, Splatoon (lol!), Diablo, etc. Nobody talks and it fucking sucks.

Reach got like this also with the implementation of Mute ban, it got to a point where i think everyone was baned.

Yeah I really really don't think these are the comparisons you want to be encouraging if you're attempting to defend the amount of content in Destiny.

If you see my post History on the matter in no way Im trying to defend Destiny content vs two MMOs, rather than saying how callling it content starved is not correct base on what you pay.

 

[Cave Johnson]

Now I'm beginning to understand why Activision was willing to spend half-a-billion on this franchise. This is an amalgamation of blending marketing and gaming into one.

 

[Spirit of Jazz]

The only PVP mode that is not matchmade is Trials and that wouldn't be fun with randoms. The elimination game mode that has matchmaking is a blast and easily one of the funniest modes I have played in crucible.

Why can't trials be fun with match-making? As long as you're not put against any pre-made teams it would be great.

Iron Banner is easily one of the best multiplayer experiences i have had especially with a fullfire team.

Iron Banner is no different from control other than it has rep grinding and a tonne of lag.

 

[piratethingy]

You can communicate with anyone that you play with in crucible that you get matched up with. Which is exactly the same as Halo did.

Halo never (to my knowledge) had opt-in voice chat that defaulted to off. Big difference.

But again I don't blame Bungie for this, it's the way of the current generation and it is hugely disappointing in it's own right.

 

[Kinsella]

Not to mention actual meaningful player interaction.

You mean you don't enjoy using gamefaqs, reddit, GAF etc to do what Bungie was too lazy to do? "We won't give you an easy way to group with randoms, but feel free to group with randoms on your own." And people defend it.

 

[a secret-boss]

bwahahaha
good thing I stopped once I finished the single player on disc
and returned back from rental

 

[XenoRaven]

This "randoms" argument comes up only in Destiny threads.

You know why they're randoms? Because there's no meaningful way to communicate and turn these randoms into wait for it, FRIENDS. Something that has been how MP gaming has worked for years before this game decided to say fuck that.

Halo 2,3,Reach all predicated on the crazy idea that MP meant communicating with these people you are playing with and eventually making friends with them. Would you like every single person you came into contact with? Of course not, but that's what the mute function has been made for.

I haven't communicated with a random person in a Halo game since Halo 2. As soon as I could mute players globally, I did it. I imagine a lot of people did the same when party chat was introduced. People not communicating in a multiplayer game is not exclusive to Destiny, so please stop pretending it is.

Also if you're going to blame someone for it, blame the idiots playing music in the background, or the annoying kids screaming, or people singing, or any of the other myriad of stupid morons online.

 

[Lothars]

Why can't trials be fun with match-making? As long as you're not put against any pre-made teams it would be great.



Iron Banner is no different from control other than it has rep grinding and a tonne of lag.

If they added that matchmaking in than great but trials would be terrible if matchmade teams would play against premade teams.

It's the same game mode, you are correct but I find it's way more competitve and rewarding than normal control. Maybe it's partially the rep but seem to have way more fun playing Iron Banner than normal crucible.

 

[Clunker]

This "randoms" argument comes up only in Destiny threads.

You know why they're randoms? Because there's no meaningful way to communicate and turn these randoms into wait for it, FRIENDS. Something that has been how MP gaming has worked for years before this game decided to say fuck that.

Halo 2,3,Reach all predicated on the crazy idea that MP meant communicating with these people you are playing with and eventually making friends with them. Would you like every single person you came into contact with? Of course not, but that's what the mute function has been made for.

Not sure the last time you played the game, but Destiny added in team chat channels for all of its multiplayer modes as I understand (I haven't played Trials of Osiris yet and I haven't done any raiding, but everything else I've played allows you to toggle between fireteam chat and team chat).

 

[Jest Chillin]

Why can't trials be fun with match-making? As long as you're not put against any pre-made teams it would be great.

Trials wouldn't be a true "Competitive" mode if you couldn't use pre-made teams and it would also make the weapons you can earn from Trials too easy to get in comparison to the PvE routes.

Remove "Competitive," pre-made being mandatory, and weapon rewards... and you have Elimination.

Iron Banner is no different from control other than it has rep grinding and a tonne of lag.

Your load out stats matter much more.

 

[Princess Carl]

Not sure the last time you played the game, but Destiny added in team chat channels for all of its multiplayer modes as I understand (I haven't played Trials of Osiris yet and I haven't done any raiding, but everything else I've played allows you to toggle between fireteam chat and team chat).

I played long enough to get max light level at the time and raid and complete VOG.

 

[RdN]

Jesus, it just keeps getting worse and worse.

 

[nel e nel]

But you do know that WoW and Final Fantasy literally have 100x more content than Destiny does? (WoW even more so. If we count quests as missions....then it probably has 1000x more content than Destiny does.)

WoW has been out for 11 years, FFXIV for 5 years, if you consider that the current version is a relaunch of that original version.

Destiny has been out since September.

 

[Glitchesarecool]

https://twitter.com/DyingLightGame/status/613758146830594048/photo/1

 

[zethren]

I love Bungie, rather Bungie in their prime days of Halo 1-ODST. And I really do enjoy Destiny. But this is kind of lame. I'm hoping this is Activision's doing, and not a trend we see with Bungie going forward. Although I guess they're contracted for another 8 or so years.

 

[Razmos]

It just keeps getting worse and worse.

 

[Lalalandia]

WoW has been out for 11 years, FFXIV for 5 years, if you consider that the current version is a relaunch of that original version.

Destiny has been out since September.

And both launched with way more content than Destiny, now both are sub titles so they need tobe to keep you on the sub treadmill. GW and GW2 are pay to play but has been pointed out also rely on micro-transactions (cosmetic only) and again dwarf Destiny. Borderlands has more content than Destiny let alone BL2, now I was fine with Destiny being the 'smaller BL with better loot' but for some damn reason they wanted to pretend to be an MMO so they gunged everything up with grind mechanics to pretend the game was longer than it is.

 

[RowdyReverb]

41,895 views on this thread
83,481 views on the Kotaku article
Hundreds of thousands more views on every gaming site that picked this up with discussions galore. Had you completely forgotten about Redbull before this news released? I had. And now we're all talking about it. We are doing the advertisers work for them.

 

[Neuromancer]

https://twitter.com/DyingLightGame/status/613758146830594048/photo/1

lol lol lol

Those guys are great

 

[Lalalandia]

41,895 views on this thread
83,481 views on the Kotaku article
Hundreds of thousands more views on every gaming site that picked this up with discussions galore. Had you completely forgotten about Redbull before this news released? I had. And now we're all talking about it. We are doing the advertisers work for them.

No doubt Red Bull have a winner here from a publicity point of view I think most of us would agree, we're just baffled Bungie/Activision were so keen to be the loser

 

[Spirit of Jazz]

Trials wouldn't be a true "Competitive" mode if you couldn't use pre-made teams and it would also make the weapons you can earn from Trials too easy to get in comparison to the PvE routes.

Yet Mobas and CS manage to be competitive without pre-built teams and win streak rewards thanks to things like skill ratings. Also I'd argue that the trials weapons would be no more easy/hard to get than the PvE ones with matchmaking. As a solo player it's easy to get teams together that can finish all the PvE content that's up for one week, in trials you need to get a much more skilled group together to get a shot at the weapons because you liable to come up against teams who play together all the time or teams being carried by a ridiculously good player. Match-making would make the loot acquisition much more similar to what it is in PvE.

Your load out stats matter much more.

Not all that significant given I was doing fine with my level 28 last IB.

 

[la flama blanca]

It just keeps getting worse and worse.

Nope. It's been "worse" day 1. People are just in denial. Destiny fans deserve this.

 

[BokehKing]

Lol best comment I seen on a fb page

'do we get the whole drink at purchase or do we get it in segments'

Has like 2000 likes

Hysterical

 

[ryan299]

I love Bungie, rather Bungie in their prime days of Halo 1-ODST. And I really do enjoy Destiny. But this is kind of lame. I'm hoping this is Activision's doing, and not a trend we see with Bungie going forward. Although I guess they're contracted for another 8 or so years.

It's quite amazing to see how far they've fallen since ODST.

 

[Lothars]

Nope. It's been "worse" day 1. People are just in denial. Destiny fans deserve this.

Nope and you are delusional for thinking that.

 

[BokehKing]

Nope. It's been "worse" day 1. People are just in denial. Destiny fans deserve this.

Deserve what? I'll be happy with my $40 purchase, I'm not buying redbull it's optional. 'deserve this' gtfo with that

 

[DeepEnigma]

Now I'm beginning to understand why Activision was willing to spend half-a-billion on this franchise. This is an amalgamation of blending marketing and gaming into one.

Just like CoD. Activision effectively created a certain gaming culture.

 

[mreddie]

So it's DLC locked in DLC?

It had to be Activision!

 

[XenoRaven]

Nope. It's been "worse" day 1. People are just in denial. Destiny fans deserve this.

What do we deserve and what did we do to deserve it? Please clarify.

I bought a game from a developer I liked and lo and behold I enjoy the game because it's fun. Obviously I've committed a crime so please read to me the charges, your honor.

Edit: That is if you even bother to read this. I imagine most people with shitty comments like this just post in the thread and leave thinking they accomplished something.

 

[Cave Johnson]

Just like CoD. Activision effectively created a certain gaming culture.

Now I can't look at any consumable items in the same way without thinking of the possibility that a hidden XP+ boost and side content plastered on their packages.

Why can't gaming go back to carry on where this non-XP, content laden design stems from?

 

[la flama blanca]

What do we deserve and what did we do to deserve it? Please clarify.

I bought a game from a developer I liked and lo and behold I enjoy the game because it's fun. Obviously I've committed a crime so please read to me the charges, your honor.

That's fine. They're getting their money and their practices will get worse. What I said before is my opinion and surely a ton of people will disagree, but I'm not going to sugar coat how I feel about the game and the scam around it.

 

[The Boat]

https://twitter.com/DyingLightGame/status/613758146830594048/photo/1

This is incredible.

 

[Souldestroyer Reborn]

Lol best comment I seen on a fb page

'do we get the whole drink at purchase or do we get it in segments'

Has like 2000 likes

Hysterical

At this point it i would be amazed if Bungie and Activision were not having discussions right now.

This is nothing short of a PR disaster for the developer, the publisher and their game.

Destiny is the laughing stock of video games.

How are you going to make a franchise last 10 years while being publicly ridiculed at every corner, deservingly so?

 

[la flama blanca]

At this point it i would be amazed if Bungie and Activision were not having discussions right now.

This is nothing short of a PR disaster for the developer, the publisher and their game.

Destiny is the laughing stock of video games.

How are you going to make a franchise last 10 years while being publicly ridiculed at every corner, deservingly so?

The words "PR disaster" aren't even close to what is being discussed internally. They are making a ton of money off the game, who gives a fuck if people talk shit about it online?

 

[OléGunner]

https://twitter.com/DyingLightGame/status/613758146830594048/photo/1

Amazing!

Shots fired lol.

 

[Crimson_Gold]

At this point it i would be amazed if Bungie and Activision were not having discussions right now.

This is nothing short of a PR disaster for the developer, the publisher and their game.

Destiny is the laughing stock of video games.

How are you going to make a franchise last 10 years while being publicly ridiculed at every corner, deservingly so?

Assassin's Creed is still alive and kicking, so it's possible

 

[I H8 Memes]

Who would have guessed MS was the only thing holding Bungie back from being an awful company.

 

[params7]

This is pathethic. Never tried the game but I was interested. No way I'm going to support this garbage.

 

[Lothars]

At this point it i would be amazed if Bungie and Activision were not having discussions right now.

This is nothing short of a PR disaster for the developer, the publisher and their game.

Destiny is the laughing stock of video games.

How are you going to make a franchise last 10 years while being publicly ridiculed at every corner, deservingly so?

It's far from that but yes I wouldn't be surprised if they are having discussions on what to do better with how this and the interview was handled.

That's fine. They're getting their money and their practices will get worse. What I said before is my opinion and surely a ton of people will disagree, but I'm not going to sugar coat how I feel about the game and the scam around it.

You are wrong there's just nothing else to say about it. it's not a scam and to say that people are being scammed out of the money makes you look really bad.

 

[border]

Now I can't look at any consumable items in the same way without thinking of the possibility that a hidden XP+ boost and side content plastered on their packages.

Why can't gaming go back to carry on where this non-XP, content laden design stems from?

XP grinds increase playtime, which means fewer games sold back to retailers which means more sales of new copies.

I'm relatively tired of all the singleplayer games with an XP grind or massive skill tree. Why can't I just get new abilities as I need them? Or have them all unlocked from the start?

 

[diablos991]

Guess this seals the deal about me not going back to Destiny. This type of stuff is comically bad to me and I don't know why publishers or developers enter into these agreements.

 

[la flama blanca]

It's far from that but yes I wouldn't be surprised if they are having discussions on better pr.

You are wrong there's just nothing else to say about it. it's not a scam and to say that people are being scammed out of the money makes you look really bad.

Like I care about how I look online. I am a piece of shit online, not gonna lie, but the game is a fucking scam and Activision thanks you for the money.