Bungie apologizes for Taken King controversy, CE items to be sold separate
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firehawk12
Subete no aware
Well, I'm not defending Deej at all because what he said made him sound like an ass and he wasn't being interpreted through any other filter. Like I said though, I think the actual product is stupid, I just feel bad for Luke for being put into this position at all.
I mean, the only other E3 interview I saw with Luke was at Giantbomb, and it was basically all joking and drinking while also pushing the game. I'm sure there are quotes that you can take from that to make him look just as bad if someone wanted to.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
People like Luke Smith are great for ragtag games podcasts, but they are poison to multi-million dollar project ships.
Destiny going so over budget, releasing in such anaemic shape, and then still finding ways to incite fans a year on shows the level of disconnected arrogance you've let take the captain's chair. Half billion dollar marketing campaigns certainly buy a lot of momentum, but even Kinect had to die a death sometime too.
Destiny going so over budget, releasing in such anaemic shape, and then still finding ways to incite fans a year on shows the level of disconnected arrogance you've let take the captain's chair. Half billion dollar marketing campaigns certainly buy a lot of momentum, but even Kinect had to die a death sometime too.
The only thing I'm seeing when I Google "House of Wolves Raid" is some leaked images from a "reliable" source. One image does mention a raid, but Bungie never stated anything about a raid for that DLC. You can't imply something like that, it either it has it or it doesn't.
The supposed $500 million budget is for the entire series, not one game.
AlucardShinigami
Member
But what about the physical goods that come with The Taken King CE, I want those along with the exclusive dlc. I already own the first CE with the first batch of dlc I want the physical goods more than dlc.
Lys Skygge
Member
What the actual fuck. I'm actually more pissed than I was before...they can't be serious! Do they think we're fucking idiots? Jesus Christ Bungie/Activision....
That oft quoted $500M development figure is meant for the entire 10 year Destiny lifespan, not simply for Destiny 1.
Pancakes R Us
Member
Agreed, the furore certainly seems to have had an effect. I suspect it took this long because they thought it'd blow over, but people just weren't having it. I've no interest in this game, but well done to everyone that made a fuss - your voices have been heard. As to whether this outcome is fair / good or not, I don't know because I don't know enough about it. Never played the first game.
SmackAttack
Member
All I can do is sigh.
They've legit handed out more free DLC than this already, and with more to come!
TheChewyWaffles
Member
I lol'd
nobodyshero
Banned
I mean $100 so far. I can't judge what doesn't exist yet.
Yeah, it's totally subjective. I 100% agree that I wish the main game was more meaty, but I'm conflicted by the fact that I've stuck with it. It isn't like The Order, where people spent $60 for literally 5-6 hours of content. But I'm still playing and having fun, so I mean, do I just get angry out of principle?
I dunno. I get it though. I get why people are angry. Even though I do believe some people may be convincing themselves they're angrier than they actually are
Bungie/Activision are gonna clean up with the emote pack. Publishers think they can treat gamers like shit because 99% of the time they can get away with it. There's a reason we have pre order content, retailer exclusive content, day 1 dlc, disc-locked content, broken games on release, etc. Sure, some people complain and a few might actually not buy the game, but it's not nearly enough to make that stuff not worth doing. Even on GAF you still have people screaming "DAY 0!!!" for fucking Fallout 4 even though Bethesda games have been bug-ridden dumpster fires for years.
TheChewyWaffles
Member
Taken From Behind
VaultBoy101
Member
It has money for leaves, and they're extending the small end to us.
CreateNowSleepLater
Member
Really? It was on the leaked roadmap. Besides, who didn't think it was coming with a Raid? They could have also said when they announced the DLC (before the game was out and people found out they tore the story out)
I get the 10 year plan now, its nothing but trickling content for a constant revenue stream while the user basically plays the same content. It's brilliant actually.
How is that the right thing? The apologists are nearly as bad as Bungie. The actual right thing is to give everyone that bought everything already all the extras that they're giving the people that bought none.
It has nothing to do with wanting him to look bad. Nothing at all. It's about knowing how to behave given what you're doing, something he clearly knows how to do but opted not for the Eurogamer interview. It's his own fault.
boredofcanada
Member
Fuck the taken king I'm not buying it. You ruined it bungie.
Thinking a leaked image would remain 100% true was your first mistake.
SteveO1683
Member
They are so disconnected.
PKMNTrainer
Member
So from what I understand they are giving year one players who have both current expansions or a level 30 guardian some exclusive shaders and stuff. Sounds cool. Don't like the price point but it's available to players who aren't interested in repurchasing old content. And Luke Smith gave a decent apology. I can dig it.
Orochinagis
Member
I highly doubt any regular destiny player will only buy the $40 TTK expansion alone now. so more extra $20 for Bungie
HalfBakedProphet
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SolicitorPirate
Member
After thinking about this for quite some time, I've come to believe that Destiny's pricing model has largely been borne out of Destiny's development going over budget and/or sales being lower than expected. Bungie and Activision aren't stupid; they know the value proposition for their dlc is poor. I'm just starting to believe they have no choice but to sell at those prices to recoup costs.
A lot of what Bungie is doing now reminds me of when I used to work in tax advice, some years ago. We used to monitor the tax situations of countries and published yearly reports, and I remember one particular country where the incumbent government had drastically overspent and had gone dangerously overbudget. They then introduced onerous new taxes that the population was financially unprepared for, and despite knowing this, pushed through because they were desperate for anything to stop the bleeding.
I suspect Destiny is in a similar boat. We know the budget was massive. While we aren't clear how accurate the fabled 0.5 billion doller budget is, it should be clear that the budget is definitely huge. Couple that with the anemic state of the base game and the long standing rumors that the game was gutted halfway into development, and it seems possible the game costs way more than they estimated and as strong as sales were, they are struggling to make their estimated profits.
A lot of what Bungie is doing now reminds me of when I used to work in tax advice, some years ago. We used to monitor the tax situations of countries and published yearly reports, and I remember one particular country where the incumbent government had drastically overspent and had gone dangerously overbudget. They then introduced onerous new taxes that the population was financially unprepared for, and despite knowing this, pushed through because they were desperate for anything to stop the bleeding.
I suspect Destiny is in a similar boat. We know the budget was massive. While we aren't clear how accurate the fabled 0.5 billion doller budget is, it should be clear that the budget is definitely huge. Couple that with the anemic state of the base game and the long standing rumors that the game was gutted halfway into development, and it seems possible the game costs way more than they estimated and as strong as sales were, they are struggling to make their estimated profits.
MrGreencastle
Member
I draw the line at $40 for dances. But $20? [long pause] I will throw my money at the screen.
I have no self respect.
Extra Sauce
Member
Bungie/Activision are gonna clean up with the emote pack. Publishers think they can treat gamers like shit because 99% of the time they can get away with it. There's a reason we have pre order content, retailer exclusive content, day 1 dlc, disc-locked content, broken games on release, etc. Sure, some people complain and a few might actually not buy the game, but it's not nearly enough to make that stuff not worth doing. Even on GAF you still have people screaming "DAY 0!!!" for fucking Fallout 4 even though Bethesda games have been bug-ridden dumpster fires for years.
Bethesda Studios games might be buggy but they offer a ton of content for your money. Until they go "Destiny" on us I will consider them one of the good guys.
ethomaz
Banned
The only issue was you need to pay $80 to get the CE Digital no matter what you have.
They fixed the issue... now you can get the CE at $60 if you have the previous Destiny + Expansions.
Before: You need to pay +$40 do get the Digital CE Edition.
Now: You need to pay +$20 to get the Digital CE Edition.
It is the same for Retail and Digital... no more issue.
I will upgrade my digital preorder to CE Edition with addiction cost of $20 now... before I needed to spent $40.
nobodyshero
Banned
Considering the sales and general positive opinion of Destiny, I feel like a stronger case could be made that we are disconnected
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OrlanisWorks
Banned
Agreed. The mod capability in Fallout 4 will be god-like. They do have a serious issue with consoles, I've heard. But I'll take some bugs and a shitload of content over few bugs and very little content. Erryday.
bananafactory
Banned
Let me get this straight - this "massive" expansion is $40, or 2/3 the cost of the full game, and then some emotes and shaders are $20, or 1/2 the cost of the entire expansion?
Did I miss something? So to get the expansion AND the CE content you're paying $60, aka the same price as the full game?
Did I miss something? So to get the expansion AND the CE content you're paying $60, aka the same price as the full game?
Conkerkid11
Member
I feel extremely bad for Bungie right now.
Feel like they went to Activision for some sort of compromise, and this was their best offer.
Ugghhhh
Feel like they went to Activision for some sort of compromise, and this was their best offer.
Ugghhhh
Souldestroyer Reborn
Banned
That was not the only issue dude :/
Price disparity by using a 1:1 ratio was arguably a bigger deal than that.
ethomaz
Banned
Here the graph (thanks @MrGreencastle) about the previous issue.
Now it is fixed.
What is the other issue? The overpriced? I don't see this like a issue at all... it is like to say iPhone is overpriced compared with Android phones.
SwordStruck
Member
Yep, except new players can pay $80 for the base game and all expansions + emotes and shaders.
Orochinagis
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pixel monkey
Banned
Did you honestly come on here to type that? Nothing better to do on a Wednesday night than complain about DLC for a title you don't even care for, eh? You're going to fit in well here along with all the others who cried to the heavens of the social injustice of their being denied emotes, class items and shaders. Items they were apparently owed for playing a videogame.
The hundreds of hours of entertainment (even over a thousand for some of us) we've gleamed from Destiny for less than a hundred bucks (including both TDB and HoW), that's all well and good... but what have you done for me lately, Bungie?
And so they listened. And when try to give those who screamed to the stars what they asked for at a meager cost?
"How dare I be asked to pay for this, I am outraged, sir... OUTRAGED!"
Sadly, Bungie can't win with many of you. If you're so offended, if you're this entitled, maybe just don't buy TTK?
I can't take the apology as sincere, when they are charging this much for the content... It's like "oh yeah, we understand that you are upset that we frequently ask you to spend a lot of money, with little in return... So please, buy this overpriced item.
Why not just throw it in with the expansion? Or at least list it at a price more in line with its true value... Surely no one thinks a couple emotes and shaders are worth $20...
They do realize that number is HALF THE COST of the expansion itself, right?In what universe does that valuation make sense?
Why not just throw it in with the expansion? Or at least list it at a price more in line with its true value... Surely no one thinks a couple emotes and shaders are worth $20...
They do realize that number is HALF THE COST of the expansion itself, right?In what universe does that valuation make sense?