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[Zakalwe]

Sure wish I could read up on these reasons. Maybe then I wouldn't feel so jaded?

Many of us have articulated them in comprehensive detail many times in this thread.

They're the same reasons so many are disappointed.

That's the thing. They're not even playing it. Half the people posting don't/no longer own the game.

Aside from the fact you don't know this for certain, you don't have to own the game to be put off by Bungie and Activision's practises.

Yeah, I love the endless dramatic posts saying "this made me delete Destiny from my PS4".

So you're telling me that even though you clearly enjoy Destiny, since you are still playing 9 months after launch, the announcement of optional cosmetic DLC coming in the fall is the last straw that has caused you to delete the game? Right...

Again, this is not just about the DLC.

Pay attention.

 

[benicillin]

Has Bungie addressed the main issue of UK price being more expensive. Who have they just ignored this issue.

Bungie doesn't get to set prices or address those kinds of things, their distributor / publisher Activision does.

 

[Snkfanatic]

No, it's the fact that it's repetitive and boring. Like I said. Doesn't mean there aren't tons of people out there playing nothing else. But being told "masses of people like it" certainly isn't going to change my mind about something. The masses are usually idiots when it comes to art/entertainment.

*cringe*

 

[i plays game lol]

Right, because they can't possibly have legitimate reasons for writing these things.

More than likely people who hate on destiny have played far worse games though...Sure Destiny has some problems, all games do, but it's still an insanely solid and well developed game.

Most of the bashing in any destiny thread is probably by people who played very little or never played it to begin with... It's apparent.

We get it, you don't like the game, no idea why you all are so butthurt about it. It's not a game for you, bottom line. I, along with TONS of others, have found Destiny insanely fun and addictive and will continue to stick by the franchise for a long time.

The hate is just tiring at this point

 

[Lothars]

Right, because they can't possibly have legitimate reasons for writing these things.



You don't understand people voicing disappointment?

There's such things as voicing dissapointing and such thing as complaining for the sake of complaining which it seems like alot of the people complaining are.

There are certainly valid complaints especially about UK pricing and the such but you can't tell me that there isn't a contingent of people shitting on Destiny just because it's destiny.

Again, this is not just about the DLC.

Pay attention.

You should be taking your own advice.

 

[mhows]

Except that like half of the states in the US pay tax on digital purchases.

Really! Wow, I'm sorry. That sucks. That's the only reason I buy digital.

 

[Wilde]

Again, this is not just about the DLC.

Pay attention.

I know there are some upset about the price of the expansion in general, or the inflated price for EU gamers, but the current outrage is very clearly primarily directed at the cost of the OPTIONAL DLC cosmetic items.

...Pay attention.

 

[backflip10019]

Really! Wow, I'm sorry. That sucks. That's the only reason I buy digital.

Yeah, it's rough for sure. That extra like 6% or so adds up after a while. Kinda been reluctant to go purely digital for this (and storage) reasons.

 

[DorkyMohr]

I held off from buying Destiny convincing myself that it would be a better experience in a year's time. Now it feels like I dodged a bullet.

 

[Zakalwe]

More than likely people who hate on destiny have played far worse games though...Sure Destiny has some problems, all games do, but it's still an insanely solid and well developed game.

Most of the bashing in any destiny thread is probably by people who played very little or never played it to begin with... It's apparent.

We get it, you don't like the game, no idea why you all are so butthurt about it. It's not a game for you, bottom line. I, along with TONS of others, have found Destiny insanely fun and addictive and will continue to stick by the franchise for a long time.

The hate is just tiring at this point

For many of us this has nothing to do with how fun the game is, this is about how the game is being handled.

Not everyone who's tired of the way this game is being handled is hating.

I know there are some upset about the price of the expansion in general, or the inflated price for EU gamers, but the current outrage is very clearly primarily directed at the cost of the OPTIONAL DLC cosmetic items.

...Pay attention.

So you're actually arguing that previous events have no bearing on current ones, that there's no such thing as tolerance?

Ok!

There's such things as voicing dissapointing and such thing as complaining for the sake of complaining which it seems like alot of the people complaining are.

There are certainly valid complaints especially about UK pricing and the such but you can't tell me that there isn't a contingent of people shitting on Destiny just because it's destiny.


You should be taking your own advice.

Again, this isn't just about the DLC. If you see someone in this thread write "That's it, I've had enough. Deleting the game!" , then why can't it be that their tolerance has reached breaking point and they've simply had enough of the way this game's being handled?

While it has been fashionable to hate on Destiny, this kind of practise has been occurring since day one, a good amount of the criticism here is not just mindless hating.

Defend the game all you want, I think it's fun too, but there's too much valid criticism here for you to write it off as "hate" or complaining for the sake of it.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Again, I don't agree with the price point, and I support coherent objection to the pricing.

My impression of the collective/average reaction in the Destiny OT (admittedly hardcore players) to the TTK pricing was fairly neutral. People who had drifted in and out of the OTs for months seemed to object more than the people that were still playing a lot.

I'm personally "OK" with the TTK pricing. If you try to break down by "content per dollar", it doesn't offer the same value proposition as the original vanilla game (less of everything except raids, which are one each). The problem is that breaking it down this way isn't comprehensive. When you compare the content in TTK to TDB or HOW, though, it's obviously more significant. New subclasses are a huge deal, more strikes, a proper (hopefully better than TDB's) raid, more exotics. They're also, theoretically, not done announcing what else is in it.

I also know how many hundreds of hours I've spent playing vanilla/TDB/HOW; and it's *easily* the lowest $/hr I've ever spent on a game.

I don't intend to defend the overall pricing structure of the various packages. The Digital CE costing the same as the physical one with all the tangible doo-dads is absurd, and there are definitely things they could have done better. But I think the TTK digital download pricing is reasonable. Not ideal, just not "torches and pitchforks".

I agree with that.

And at the end of the day, every individual will have to do their own value determination. If you project you'll be able to get more than...say 40 hours of enjoyment out of this expansion pack, it's fair to say $1/entertainment hour is a worthy investment. And certainly the more time you play, the more of a bargain you're really getting. This is generally how I determine whether I'm going to pay for a multiplayer-focused game and its DLC. For me, this DLC will not be worth $40 because I know I will not play it enough to get the value out of it and I still have some questions about the quantity of content and diversity it offers at that price. Too much other shit to play offering a better value proposition. At $20, I'll probably bite but not before. The thrist isn't as real for me as a primary PC gamer than it would be if I only owned a console, where software dry periods are a regular point of pain.

 

[PooBone]

Haha you're so smart. Who could ever argue with you.

LOL, you guys are killin me.

Ohh wow, Im called an idiot for liking something that you dont like!

Not trying to call you an idiot because we have different tastes. I apologize if it came out that way. I'm jsut saying, and I hope literally everyone in NeoGAF feels this way: I'm not ever gonna like something just because it's popular.

 

[ArkkAngel007]

I know there are some upset about the price of the expansion in general, or the inflated price for EU gamers, but the current outrage is very clearly primarily directed at the cost of the OPTIONAL DLC cosmetic items.

...Pay attention.

Question: Why shouldn't people be able to object vocally to the pricing? Personally, I know I won't pay that amount and know it's not going to be much of a factor aside losing out on some grimoire. But since it's Bungie and optional, suddenly that's an acceptable solution? Especially when those 9 little things are being sold at the same price as what Bungie/Activision called expansions.

For some reason, this thread has become anyone who objects doesn't play Destiny. And maybe I'm weird in seeing an issue with the $20 throwaway, but not finding an issue with the $40 TTK (though I think the quid pricing is ridiculous and heavily sympathize for those who are being dealt that hand).

 

[stb]

Right, because they can't possibly have legitimate reasons for writing these things.

I'm sure some do. I wish they'd voice them coherently instead of shitposting with what amounts to "Destiny sux" and "Fuck Bungie".

 

[Omegasquash]

It's amusing you're writing about mistakes in communication, you cut off the part of my post that made it clear this is not just to do with poor communication.

This is all about outcome and results. Poor ones.

The point of my post was to highlight that yes indeed it is all about the outcome and results, as you say, and to note that this was an example of terrible communication from Bungie. I don't see what's so amusing about it.

The outcome here is that they're selling some DLC separately now, which I'm pretty sure is literally what was asked for.

 

[Lothars]

LOL, you guys are killin me.

Granted, I don't like things just because they're popular. So sorry.

good for you, I don't like things just because they are popular either but I like destiny because it's a great experience.

 

[Caja 117]

LOL, you guys are killin me.



Not trying to call you an idiot because we have different tastes. I apologize if it came out that way. I'm jsut saying, and I hope literally everyone in NeoGAF feels this way: I'm not ever gonna like something just because it's popular.

Or maybe people like popular things, because... well, they like it? Im for one that likes things regardless of popularity, but somethings I like are bound to be popular.

 

[Fury451]

Yeah, I love the endless dramatic posts saying "this made me delete Destiny from my PS4".

So you're telling me that even though you clearly enjoy Destiny, since you are still playing 9 months after launch, the announcement of optional cosmetic DLC coming in the fall is the last straw that has caused you to delete the game? Right...

You're missing the point of why people are chuffed about this. It's their "sorry, not sorry, here's more chances for you to give us money" attitude. They're incredibly tone-deaf about everything, and for a game that was already lacking content, putting up walls and hacking off more bits to resell for frankly outrageous prices is insulting.

For what it's worth, I played for 2 months, then sold it. I was thinking about getting back into it once this released, but now after seeing their approach and prices, I'm good just going to other games. I'm sure my loss won't impact their sales at all, but whatever.

 

[joecanada]

Yeah, I love the endless dramatic posts saying "this made me delete Destiny from my PS4".

So you're telling me that even though you clearly enjoy Destiny, since you are still playing 9 months after launch, the announcement of optional cosmetic DLC coming in the fall is the last straw that has caused you to delete the game? Right...

wont make me delete the game but I bought the LE and I'm not forking over a penny more than I already have.... when the content inevitably runs dry, I'm out.

 

[Kyne]

I'm sure some do. I wish they'd voice them coherently instead of shitposting with what amounts to "Destiny sux" and "Fuck Bungie".

Haven't you heard? Their reasons resonate within the confinements of this and many other Destiny threads. No need for them to spell it out for us.

 

[cakely]

I held off from buying Destiny convincing myself that it would be a better experience in a year's time. Now it feels like I dodged a bullet.

I think these are the best posts. I never played Destiny, but I'm just here to pile on and tell you that thank god I never did.

 

[Lothars]

You're missing the point of why people are chuffed about this. It's their "sorry, not sorry, here's more chances for you to give us money" attitude. They're incredibly tone-deaf about everything, and for a game that was already lacking content, putting up walls and hacking off more bits to resell for frankly outrageous prices is insulting.

I disagree they are doing a good job of listening to the community, I don't see how you can say they are tone deaf about things when they are specifying hitting on things that are complaints in the community.

 

[PooBone]

Or maybe people like popular things, because... well, they like it?

I agree.

My quote was originally in response to this comment: Still one of the most highly viewed games on Twitch. So it's so incredibly boring and repetitive that people not only can't stop playing it, but they also can't stop watching other people play it.

To which I say: the highest viewed/played game doesn't mean jack shit to me in terms of quality or appeal. Call of Duty is a good example. Or Farmville.

Everyone has their own tastes, but saying "this is the most successful X" is not a way to get others to share your tastes.

 

[Zakalwe]

The point of my post was to highlight that yes indeed it is all about the outcome and results, as you say, and to note that this was an example of terrible communication from Bungie. I don't see what's so amusing about it.

The outcome here is that they're selling some DLC separately now, which I'm pretty sure is literally what was asked for.

I'm pretty sure you've missed the point. Again.

I'm sure some do. I wish they'd voice them coherently instead of shitposting with what amounts to "Destiny sux" and "Fuck Bungie".

Posts like that are obviously something to ignore. They're not even worth mentioning. Ignore them.

 

[deadduck]

I held off from buying Destiny convincing myself that it would be a better experience in a year's time. Now it feels like I dodged a bullet.

You didn't. It's a much better game already.

It's easily my fav game from the last few years (until MGSV) and TKK pack with everything is great value regardless of all the salt from people that don't play it.

 

[urge26]

Again, I don't agree with the price point, and I support coherent objection to the pricing.

My impression of the collective/average reaction in the Destiny OT (admittedly hardcore players) to the TTK pricing was fairly neutral. People who had drifted in and out of the OTs for months seemed to object more than the people that were still playing a lot.

I'm personally "OK" with the TTK pricing. If you try to break down by "content per dollar", it doesn't offer the same value proposition as the original vanilla game (less of everything except raids, which are one each). The problem is that breaking it down this way isn't comprehensive. When you compare the content in TTK to TDB or HOW, though, it's obviously more significant. New subclasses are a huge deal, more strikes, a proper (hopefully better than TDB's) raid, more exotics. They're also, theoretically, not done announcing what else is in it.

I also know how many hundreds of hours I've spent playing vanilla/TDB/HOW; and it's *easily* the lowest $/hr I've ever spent on a game.

I don't intend to defend the overall pricing structure of the various packages. The Digital CE costing the same as the physical one with all the tangible doo-dads is absurd, and there are definitely things they could have done better. But I think the TTK digital download pricing is reasonable. Not ideal, just not "torches and pitchforks".

I'm not sure you are going to convince a single person who's stamping their feet and kicking the walls over stupid pricing mistakes made by Activision/Bungie. But I agree 100% probably because I fall into the hardcore players and I know how easily I can piss away $40.00 bucks at a bar or restaurant in a couple hours.

Bungie really needs to just shut up at this point, they're not doing themselves any favors. Deej comes off sounding like a tool in the update and even though the original whiners now get what they want (DLC content without being forced to buy the content they own), it's clearly overpriced.

 

[stb]

Haven't you heard? Their reasons resonate within the confinements of this and many other Destiny threads. No need for them to spell it out for us.

They don't have time to explain why they don't have time to explain. /meta

I'm not sure you are going to convince a single person who's stamping their feet and kicking the walls over stupid pricing mistakes made by Activision/Bungie. But I agree 100% probably because I fall into the hardcore players and I know how easily I can piss away $40.00 bucks at a bar or restaurant in a couple hours.

Bungie really needs to just shut up at this point, they're not doing themselves any favors. Deej comes off sounding like a tool in the update and even though the original whiners now get what they want (DLC content without being forced to buy the content they own), it's clearly overpriced.

Oh, I'm not deluded enough to think I'll convince anyone. Logic generally doesn't matter to emotional responses.

And yes, their best strategy would be not address it further; it's unwinnable. It's really PR 101: "don't engage". I'm really surprised a company as big as Activision hasn't tightened up the communication reins yet.

 

[PooBone]

I think these are the best posts. I never played Destiny, but I'm just here to pile on and tell you that thank god I never did.

Even non-players of Destiny have an opinion on price-gouging.

 

[blue_phazon]

I held off from buying Destiny convincing myself that it would be a better experience in a year's time. Now it feels like I dodged a bullet.

Um...Destiny's structure has changed significantly since the game launched and is now way less grindy and more rewarding.

 

[Lord Kefka]

First i saw of the FREE stuff they are giving to year one VIP's and i have to say i want that stuff way more

 

[VincentMatts]

"We're sorry. Please pay $20 to accept our apology."

fuck video games

20$ for that? How is this an apology? Are they trying to piss me off?

 

[IXIKelsonIXI]

No, it's the fact that it's repetitive and boring. Like I said. Doesn't mean there aren't tons of people out there playing nothing else. But being told "masses of people like it" certainly isn't going to change my mind about something. The masses are usually idiots when it comes to art/entertainment.

Hahaha. Too good.

Why do you think anybody cares if you change your mind about this game? Like Team Destiny is trying to scout you or something because of your refined tastes?

 

[ArkkAngel007]

Even non-players of Destiny have an opinion on price-gouging.

That isn't really an opinion on the pricing itself though. It's just the same generalized shit posting that happens in controversial titles like this, Titanfall, Super Mario Sunshine, etc.

20$ for that? How is this an apology? Are they trying to piss me off?

It's a bit of a mistake to view that as an apology. The apology is Luke about how his comments came across in the Eurogamer interview. The DLC business is Activision/Bungies profitable solution to people's complaints about TTK, though I think they still missed the point.

 

[Homeboyd]

Everyone has their own tastes, but saying "this is the most successful X" is not a way to get others to share your tastes.

Neither is saying "if you like that thing, you're an idiot."

 

[OléGunner]

More than likely people who hate on destiny have played far worse games though...Sure Destiny has some problems, all games do, but it's still an insanely solid and well developed game.

Most of the bashing in any destiny thread is probably by people who played very little or never played it to begin with... It's apparent.

We get it, you don't like the game, no idea why you all are so butthurt about it. It's not a game for you, bottom line. I, along with TONS of others, have found Destiny insanely fun and addictive and will continue to stick by the franchise for a long time.

The hate is just tiring at this point

Get outta here with this bs.

I have over 100+ hours in Destiny and enjoyed the game a lot with friends during all that time.

I've sung its praises and bashed the game in equal measure since TDB expansion due to all the mishaps that have happened.

Don't lump everyone in the same category as having not played Destiny when they are legit issues that concern us. All we want is a better game experience and Bungie to not make us feel like human ATM's.

 

[-griffy-]

The posts with people saying "Pfft, stupid cosmetic stuff is what got you to quit a game you like?" are as bad and misinformed as the normal drive-by shitposts from people who don't even play Destiny.

 

[GlamFM]

"We're sorry. Please pay $20 to accept our apology."

That sums it up nicely.

 

[PooBone]

Um...Destiny's structure has changed significantly since the game launched and is now way less grindy and more rewarding.

I may be wrong so feel free to enlighten me, but this statement makes me assume they reduced a lot of the grind time by making upgrades with various currencies cheaper, or they've made certain currencies easier/more plentiful to loot. Am I wrong?

That scenario sounds like a free2play game putting arbitrary, high-time investment goals in place that you can pay a buck or two to get around, except instead of charging for that ability, they just tweaked the base game a little bit in that direction for the expansions.

 

[Zakalwe]

Even non-players of Destiny have an opinion on price-gouging.

I wasn't aware owning the game was a requited prerequisite to having an opinion on this?

 

[PooBone]

Neither is saying "if you like that thing, you're an idiot."

Touche'. Apologies. I'm not referring to any individuals, certainly no GAF'ers, but the "masses' opinion as a whole."

 

[Kyne]

Even non-players of Destiny have an opinion on price-gouging.

Non-destiny players won't get just how much someone who's at rank 70 on dead orbit might pay $20 for revenant.

 

[PooBone]

I wasn't aware owning the game was a requited prerequisite to having an opinion on this?

LOL. Neither did I. People getting upset because people that never played the game are happy they stayed out..... these DLC prices are unprecedented. Non-players can certainly give their 2 cents. Pretty sure we agree here and you read some sarcasm that wasn't intended.

 

[blue_phazon]

I may be wrong so feel free to enlighten me, but this statement makes me assume they reduced a lot of the grind time by making upgrades with various currencies cheaper, or they've made certain currencies easier/more plentiful to loot. Am I wrong?

That scenario sounds like a free2play game putting arbitrary, high-time investment goals in place that you can pay a buck or two to get around, except instead of charging for that ability, they just tweaked the base game a little bit in that direction for the expansions.

The bolded is correct. Not sure what you mean by the second part though. People complained that the game was too grindy and that good rewards were hard to get, so they made it easier through updates. Anyone who played Destiny at launch knows it's a way better game now

 

[Breakfast at Noon]

LOL, you guys are killin me.



Not trying to call you an idiot because we have different tastes. I apologize if it came out that way. I'm jsut saying, and I hope literally everyone in NeoGAF feels this way: I'm not ever gonna like something just because it's popular.

For somerhing to become popular it has too be good at something.

Destiny is popular because it is great, in my experience on destiny no one has bought destiny based on its popularity, hell most people are shocked that it is popular considering how loud the minority of haters are..

It has had legs based on word of mouth (after xmas) pretty much because people who play it and love it tell the badly informed that hey "this game aside from all its issues, is a fun game"

Non-destiny players won't get just how much someone who's at rank 70 on dead orbit might pay $20 for revenant.

Indeed.
all k want is god of war

 

[Omegasquash]

I'm pretty sure you've missed the point. Again.

Enlighten me then, because all I'm seeing are posts from one crowd that's OK with Bungie giving their community what they've asked for, and another that doesn't like what they're offering.

Each side is AOK in thinking what they think, IMO. What I'm seeing from you is snark in calling something that I wrote "amusing", and telling other people to pay attention.

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

Even non-players of Destiny have an opinion on price-gouging.

I have an opinion on "price-gouging". Wait for a price drop or just don't buy it. I don't care if that sounds harsh, and might not be what people want to do, but that is my opinion - especially for content like cosmetics or emotes.

Having a premium price on certain bits of content is nothing new. They were originally selling this in their collector's edition of the entire base game + DLC + expansion, right? They intended this to be "top" tier stuff, and it is their right to price it that way. And it is certainly not necessary towards enjoying the game.

 

[yodathesoda]

God you all love to whine like a bunch of man-babies.

Only legit complaint here is the UK pricing, that does suck but not the first time it's happened and isn't exclusive to Destiny.

Everybody whined when the cosmetic DLC wasn't included then whined fucking harder when it was but had to pay for it. Well guess what? This isn't a fucking charity non-profit we're talking about and people will buy the shit out of it.

Do you know why?

Because they find value in it.

I've played the game for about 700 hours and love hopping on with friends, shooting the shit and having a good time with the raids, POE or PVP. We got a raid night tonight and we've done it tons of times and we'll still have a great time tonight. Now that extra $80.00, $100 or even $200 expansion will be worth it for me. The time to dollar ratio is a value for me because of the time and enjoyment I get out of the game.

Now bitch and complain all you want about everything Destiny related even if you've never played it or set it on fire because of this outrage but at the end of the day, if you don't want it and don't find value in it then don't fucking buy it.

The consistent whining and shitting on it gets really fucking old.

 

[Not a Jellyfish]

20 bucks? I don't know if Activision ruined Bungie or if Bungie was just going down this path anyway.

Not liking it though.

 

[benicillin]

I'm genuinely wondering what the end-goal is for some people here. What could Bungie do to make you happy? Or are you just tired of Destiny in general?

They announce the CE - it's $80 and people get mad because it includes the previous game and DLCs and they don't want to "rebuy" that content to get the CE stuff.

Bungie says sorry, takes the CE content other than the game and previous DLCs and says "okay you can buy the CE upgrade stuff separately but it's $20." So if you're a vanilla user who owned both the previous DLCs and wanted the CE stuff, you're paying $20 less than you would have a day or two ago.

They're giving you an emblem, shader and sparrow for year one players only for free.

What is the end goal? What's your victory condition? Because I thought it was paying for the CE content separately, which made sense, but now it seems people are upset that it costs too much but that's entirely subjective and you can only be so mad about that before it becomes kind of silly.

 

[Saucycarpdog]

the real argument here is $40 vs £40 THIS is the real argument here.. fuck the crying about emotes and shaders.

I'm pretty sure they did the same pricing for TDB and HoW. I think the time to complain about that has passed.