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I'm guessing there's gonna be a few more attacks this summer
Man decapitated at company near Grenoble, France, Islamist flag found on site
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Kiever Sher
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One gunman killed in Tunisia but ''multiple'' casualties.
I have bible-news for ya:
http://biblehub.com/luke/19-27.htm
Please, let not generalize again. The only ones who benefit from that are those IS scumbags and the far right scum here in the West.
Not al Muslims follow the same interpretation, not al believe the Quran word for word (if I'm not mistaken, that is even impossible, as it has to be interpreted).
For my part, we could just ban religion outright, because I believe it does more harm than good to believe in an imaginary friend and bossman in the sky, but that's immposible. So let's just keep the extremist scum in their own marginal corner and mock them, while we respect other believers for what they are and believe; That way, maybe, we don't push them to the extremist side too
Kenshin001
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French beheading.
Bomb attack on Shia mosque.
120 slaughtered in Kobane.
Al Shabab blows up convoy and kills 30 at AU base.
Is this a Ramadan thing?
Kiever Sher
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Bobby Jindal is going to tell it like it is next on Fox, you Americans may want to watch your next president weigh in.
That's not really the question though. It's a dodge.
Things like colonialism and supporting tyrants may indeed be very bad things, but that doesn't mean that religious ideas might not be destructive. These are two different topics.
It seems though that whenever an attempt is made to speak honestly about the ideas within Islam that may be essentially problematic in the 21st century, people are quick to try and change the conversation in a way that makes it impossible to speak openly about religion.
It is valid to criticize the foreign policy of western nations, but that is NOT an appropriate response to an attempt to speak about ideas within Islam that may have serious consequences.
There's nothing bigoted about opposing a bigoted religion like Islam. Many prominent atheists like Richard Dawkins make a point of going after Islam with a level of zeal not unlike that seen on Fox News. But unlike those hypocrites Dawkins and the other New Atheists also blast Xtianity, Judaism and other religions.
You see, this is the problem with the modern Western world, any attempts to criticise a religion like Islam is shouted down as "bigotry" and "Islamophobic". But yet criticising Christianity is perfectly acceptable for some strange reason.
Keyser Soze
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There are photos on Twitter of fatalities on the Tunisian beach
Mr. Giggles
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Wtf.. These guys are gonna burn in hell. It's Ramadan, you're not supposed to even argue or use bad language and these douchebags are killing innocents.
My condolences to the families and I hope they catch the rest of these fuckers and deport them.
My condolences to the families and I hope they catch the rest of these fuckers and deport them.
bequietdrive
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Great post Erevador, couldn't agree more.
Are the majority of Muslims violent extremists? Of course not.
That doesn't mean that there isn't an inherent problem with the religion though, as all the widespread violence and extremism attests. Muslims needs to start having the conversation and looking inward to helping to stop the spread of extremism in their communities.
So their intention was to blow up the plant, leave a decapitated head as a message, they failed horribly, one in custody and the other suspect is dead, all the workers at the plant are safe. The question is who the decapitated man is. Were the suspects armed with guns, I don't think they were, how did they manage to apprehend one of them and one was killed by a unarmed fire fighter.
My thoughts goes out to all the people that are affected by this.
My thoughts goes out to all the people that are affected by this.
Kiever Sher
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7 people killed in Tunisia
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Funny how these radical guys have problems with our society and how they consider us infidels and promiscuous. Then they go to Syria and trade sex slaves... They make up the rules how they see fit.
Killed by a firefigghter? Was he strangled with a firehose or something? French firemen are pretty epic.
Probably with an axe or the ran him over with a car, but it's all speculation at this point.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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The whole religious dogma thing is clearly just romanticism to draw people to the cause.
Sex slaves and polygamy are permissible under Islam.
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Many of whom have very low intelligence. Mix that with religious indoctrination from birth. They are easy targets for the extremists.
Another attack in Tunisia. Obviously not related but there is no point creating a new thread after every militant attack.
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Tunisia attack: Seven killed in Sousse hotel
At least seven people have been killed in an attack on a tourist hotel in the Tunisian resort town of Sousse, according to the Interior Ministry.
At least one gunman has been shot dead, a security source told Reuters news agency.
Sousse is a popular tourist destination.
Tunisia has been on high alert since March when militants killed 22 people, mainly foreign tourists, in an attack on a museum in the capital Tunis.
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Confirmed 19 Dead in Tunisia now
Cops on beach too...
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Keyser Soze
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Confirmed 19 Dead in Tunisia now
Cops on beach too...
Cops on beach too...
Mr. Giggles
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It makes my blood boil.
Palette Swap
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Fucking hell at Tunisia on top of this. Les Echos says "at least 19 dead". Sousse is a pretty great place, we spent a few weeks there with my friends over a decade ago.
And many of whom don't have very low intelligence, or even high intelligence, to the point where a profile of the typical ISIS volunteer almost doesn't exist. One factor that does make somewhat of a difference however is that those who converted to Islam tend to be more susceptible to their bullshit than those who were born into a Muslim family.
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This "widespread violence and extremism" would not be as noticeable if there were legitimate Muslim armies fighting against Western powers.
Look at what was happening before the toppling of the last Islamic caliphate. Did you see this "widespread violence and extremism" then? That was because many Muslims did not need to be frustrated and forced towards extremism to challenge foreign armies. The state itself was ready to fight. The creation of Da'esh is testament to this fact. There wouldn't be a Da'esh if there weren't certain foreign policies by the West that support things that are only in its own interest at the expense of the locals. There wouldn't be a Da'esh if people didn't feel frustrated that their governments aren't doing anything to challenge what the West does in Muslim countries. Of course their violent and crazed response is indefensible but it is easy to understand how someone reaches a point where he just wants revenge/vengeance.
In the Muslim world, people are aware of the drone strikes that have killed tens of thousands, the unwavering support of Israel despite it being in the wrong, and the support of tyrants that the West has shown. They are aware that even if Muslims play by the West's rules (i.e. democracy) but the results aren't in the West's favour, that the West will intervene (Hamas) or not try to support the result (Muslim Brotherhood). They know that the West speaks against the spread of extremism yet is one of the biggest supporters by proxy (Saudi Arabia).
They even see this single event that creates a rallying cry against Islam yet at the utter silence when the same extremists kill Muslims in the Muslim world. Most Muslims are against this murder. Most if not all of the terrorist attacks carried out by Da'esh or whatever are condemned by Muslim organizations. The same isn't said when Obama's drones kills a wedding procession and then kills the mourners at the funeral of those who died at the wedding procession. It's as if all of us Muslims are responsible for what Da'esh does yet none in the West can do the same for what their ELECTED LEADERS do.
The hypocrisy is palpable.
The Ottoman Empire, especially in the 18th and 19th centuries was anything but extreme. Why do you think there wasn't anything close to the level of extremism then as there is now? Islam didn't suddenly change. The Qur'an didn't suddenly change. And it wasn't as if people didn't believe in the Qur'an as the literal word of God then.
We don't even need to go that far in history. Heck, even in the 80s, whenever you heard of terrorism and Islam together was when the Palestinian and Israeli conflict was mentioned - which is inherently a nationalistic conflict, rather than a religious one.
Keyser Soze
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There is speculation all these might be a distraction for something bigger - which is a horrible thought
Yes, it's not true at all that everyone in ISIS is some kind of poor abused villager who turned to radicalism because of desperation.
Many are very educated, highly intelligent individuals who really do believe what they say.
This idea that religious extremism is only appealing to trod upon victims, mad men, and fools... this is entirely untrue.
Just call it 'Worldwide Day of Carnage as Daeshbags Strike'.
Cpt.Underpants
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I don't think it has to do with intelligence at all. You've got people reporting in for ISIS from all over western europe who had it seems, have decent jobs but decided to go and fight for ISIS anyway.
These people are just far too devout to a point they can't tell what's bad or good. Yeah and indoctrination can be quite influential
19 dead tourists? WTF, I was expecting terrorists
Hoya Destroyer
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Another terrorist attack in France? These people really are the worst on the planet. RIP to the victim/s.
I wonder how that fireman killed the terrorist? Thats hero territory.
thenight11
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NBC News ‏@NBCNews 3s4 seconds ago
Gunmen kill at least 19 people in attack on #Sousse beach, Tunisia http://nbcnews.to/1NiEiOl
edit-Sky News Newsdesk ‏@SkyNewsBreak 3m3 minutes ago
Update - Interior ministry says at least 27 people have been killed in an attack on two hotels in the Tunisian town of #Sousse
Gunmen kill at least 19 people in attack on #Sousse beach, Tunisia http://nbcnews.to/1NiEiOl
edit-Sky News Newsdesk ‏@SkyNewsBreak 3m3 minutes ago
Update - Interior ministry says at least 27 people have been killed in an attack on two hotels in the Tunisian town of #Sousse
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You're right, I think I just find it hard to accept anyone of intelligence would be involved with what they do, but that is obvious if you watch any of their slickly edited videos (one recently had them lowering a cage full of prisoners into a swimming pool to drown). And the converts are even more fanatical, as if they have something more to prove.
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Isn't this mooted every time there is a terrorist attack? I seem to always hear that and it never comes to pass, thankfully.
and yet it seems to work. they are recruiting all over the place and getting traction. that part is the bit that most confuses me.
Terra Firma
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Actually, you don't have to be personally trod upon to join any sort of armed force to fight those who you think are being trod upon.
Shuggananas
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Religious extremism
27 dead fucking hell, they must have been carring tons of weapons/ammo for such a high kill count...
This is the problem of the human ego; it will forever continue to identify with a particular "story" to keep and justify the actions of the individual validating it. So long as someone is trying to justify something, and it can literally be anything, this circular logic of nonsensicality will continue.
For such people all the way lost in the illusion of selfhood, they merely fall onto the age old "well, MY God is canon, and thus what I do is right" fucking nonsense. Granted, this problem literally exists for every religion and evocated belief for the ego isn't real, but when one is on the deep end of it, to not see the illusion as illusion, you see the chaos it creates with radicalized terrorism such as this. Some say religion itself causes this, but I argue it's the illusion of self, which eventually can boil up to an individual identifying with thoughts so heavily, so out of line with nature, that this things erupt.
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It is about practicality. Islam cannot be learned by reading a limited amount of books or websites. Among the Da'esh, you'd be hard pressed to find any traditionally trained scholar.
Some converts end up believing that they're practicing a much purer version of Islam than the majority of Muslims (even majority of Muslim scholars). That's why you get things like the Ottawa shooting.
They seem pretty assured on the news. I hope they're wrong anyway.
I dunno, seems pretty easy given that its leader is one.
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No, he isn't really. Even his teacher condemned him.
Mailenstein
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Probably one of the turning points in Europe. Not calling for it, but hate will rise much faster from now on I believe. Crazy times.
I don't think that sentence came out quite the way you meant it to. It circles around and ends up making no sense.
You blame the West for making modern islamic terrorism, I blame the advent of the modern connected world. With the internet and cellphones, meeting up and organizing with the other crazies has neve been easier.
Singnificant portions of the muslim world hold abhorrent opinions as shown by that Pew study, so I don't buy the "most muslims in the world are level headed" argument. Sure their opinions are probably lip service and wouldn't actually kill an infidel or an adulterer, but it isn't a stretch to know where they got such a disgusting idea of punishment.
Yep, these people subscribe strongly to the concept of collective guilt, which is further drilled in by being disenfranchised themselves. It's a vicious cycle.
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