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[lyre]

Okay, I have a launch US 60 giger PS3, you know one of those lochness monster units that has *your favourite arbitrary number* percent backwards compatibility with its far more successful older brother, the PS2.

However I got one of them new fangled Mad Catz Tournament Fight stick doohickies so I can play all the PS2 fighters I've had for a while now so I can wash some of the staleness of SF4 out of my palate. Little do I know the stick doesn't work with PS2 games at all and there is no chance Mad Catz will ever do any sort of fix for this since they are all too keen to dropping support for the stick themselves. So it all comes down to Sony releasing a firmware update which fixes this; however this doesn't seem like it's going to happen since they're more than happy to continue to not support something they haven't touched for a few years now.

Also, Sony is incompetent enough to bugger up the one feature relating to the console that I actually use consistently. They accidentally locked out all of my region-free EU region blurays due to their 2.70 firmware update (I was told this was the cause of the 80029946 errors the discs give out). So this means not only can I not watch the Being Human set I got, but also the few EU region BRs that I have that worked on the damn thing before (as well as other BR players I've tried, even Sony made ones).

And will they fix this mistake? Probably not unless there's a new firmware update some time soon and if they bother to acknowledge this.

 

[Keyser Soze]

...and the clock!

 

[Ranger X]

The region thing is bad but the rest? meh.

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[TTP]

Wait, region-free BD don't work anymore?

 

[Cruzader]

The region thing is bad but the rest? meh.

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Yea. Madcatz is know for their crappy hardware stuff so I can see why it wont work on PS3. I remember my bro having Madcatz stuff for ps1/ps2 and always died on him.(memory cards/controlers)

 

[rainking187]

I doubt Sony will be spending any extra effort to get any third party accessories working with PS2 games. I dunno about the blu rays though. Have you emailed someone about it?

 

[onken]

Yeah I'm sure those issues are right at the top of Sony's list of priorities right now.

 

[SoccerGoaliePro]

Just hoping a Firmware update will be announced at Gamescon.

 

[lyre]

The region thing is bad but the rest? meh.

It is when you have ten times as many PS2 games as you do PS3 games.

Wait, region-free BD don't work anymore?

So far only EU region blurays; I don't have nay Asian blurays atm.

 

[vocab]

I doubt Sony will be spending any extra effort to get any third party accessories working with PS2 games.

They did it before.

 

[Katana_Strikes]

Huh, I don't have a problem running UK Blus on my launch US 60 giger.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Research is always better

Madcatz controllers are not backward compatible. Hori controllers, however, are!

Oh and not sure why your region free blu locked out on you
Tried deleting the cache/save-files?

 

[fuzzyreactor]

Also, Sony is incompetent enough to bugger up the one feature relating to the console that I actually use consistently. They accidentally locked out all of my region-free EU region blurays due to their 2.70 firmware update (I was told this was the cause of the 80029946 errors the discs give out). So this means not only can I not watch the Being Human set I got, but also the few EU region BRs that I have that worked on the damn thing before (as well as other BR players I've tried, even Sony made ones).

looks at unwatched copy of "Let the right one in"

 

[gokieks]

As far as the FightStick PS2 BC is concerned, MarkMan said that the way the older sticks from Hori (FS3, HRAP3) and Sega (VSHG) implement it is no longer supported/allowed, so it's only up to Sony to update the FW to allow it. I definitely agree that it sucks, which is why I'm also going to get a X360 TE dual-modded (MC Cthulhu works for PS2 BC) and probably a HRAP3 SA as well.

 

[jonremedy]

looks at unwatched copy of "Let the right one in"

That is such a beautiful and remarkable movie. Easy top 10 for me...

 

[fuzzyreactor]

That is such a beautiful and remarkable movie. Easy top 10 for me...

yea, easily the best film of 08 IMO(liked it so much i read the book which pales). Watched the crap US version then ordered import for like $40 only to find out 2.70 added Blu ray restrictions(i know this because it works on my dad outdated ps3)

 

[Dragona Akehi]

Wait, region-free BD don't work anymore?

I have the same problem, and it's the same disc: Being Human. It seems to boot up fine, goes through the 2Entertain/BBCHD logos and then boots me out of the system right before getting to the Menu saying "Video Cannot Be Played (80029946)".

Oh and not sure why your region free blu locked out on you
Tried deleting the cache/save-files?

And how might one do that? I somehow doubt it'll fix it, but...

yea, easily the best film of 08 IMO(liked it so much i read the book which pales). Watched the crap US version then ordered import for like $40 only to find out 2.70 added Blu ray restrictions(i know this because it works on my dad outdated ps3)

I've contacted Sony regarding this, and apparently they were completely oblivious to the problem. So I doubt it was intentional, especially when their OTHER non-PS3 blu-ray players have no problem. However, I doubt they're going to bother fixing it...

 

[fuzzyreactor]

I've contacted Sony regarding this, and apparently they were completely oblivious to the problem. So I doubt it was intentional, especially when their OTHER non-PS3 blu-ray players have no problem. However, I doubt they're going to bother fixing it...

thats BS. Sony wont fix this and Magnolia wont release updated US version with correct subtitles

 

[HUELEN10]

...and the clock!

First post, nice.

Wow Lyre, the BD issues is pure BS, first I've heard of it. That sucks man. As for the controller, you might as well invest in a secondary stick for your PS/2 games as a firmware fix is not likely. at all. This may sound stupid, but it is something I would do so listen up: Be cheap and open your stick, re-wire all contacts, make a switch, and solder these new contacts to a regular old Dualshock (1), and make 2 leads that come out of the stick, one with usb, one with the PS controller plug. Obviously you need an adapter, but it is comparatively a cheaper solution. If you know how to solder, this is the way to go.

Sorry to hear about the BD problems though...

 

[panda21]

i'm confused, what is an EU region region-free blu ray? its either one or the other surely? how can that be?

i have a japanese ps3 and i watch region free EU blu-rays on it..

 

[Dragona Akehi]

i'm confused, what is an EU region region-free blu ray? its either one or the other surely? how can that be?

i have a japanese ps3 and i watch region free EU blu-rays on it..

Discs that originate in EU but are region-free (ie: that don't have region flags).

Also, is your JP PS3 up to date? What are your connection settings?

It could possibly be a US Firmware issue only, I don't know.

 

[BoilersFan23]

Well, there's actually no possible way for Sony to test every single accessory (whether its PS3 or every single PS2 accessory with every PS2 to USB adapter out there), movie (DVD or blu-ray), game (whether it be PS3, PS2, or PS1), bluetooth headset, etc. when working with future firmwares. Since Sony is trying to reduce the size of the OS/firmware, where more features can be implemented, sometimes things can happen when they are compressing/re-writing the OS software. Its just the price you have to pay for trying to add certain features, unless every PS3 console had more RAM made available. I remember a while ago when Wild Arms 4 stopped working on the 20GB/60GB SKU. I honestly don't think Sony meant it to happen, just kind of happened. But since people reported it, it was fixed. I remember some firmware kind of messed up bluetooth headsets, but they seem to work fine now. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the PS3 firmware is now tested on non-BC PS3 consoles, and if that's the case, it might be possible they didn't know certain PS2 accessories may not work.

 

[HUELEN10]

Out of curiosity, how are you guys updating your PS3s? USB stick, or direct download to console? Doubt it would make a difference, but...

 

[MarkMan]

However I got one of them new fangled Mad Catz Tournament Fight stick doohickies so I can play all the PS2 fighters I've had for a while now so I can wash some of the staleness of SF4 out of my palate. Little do I know the stick doesn't work with PS2 games at all and there is no chance Mad Catz will ever do any sort of fix for this since they are all too keen to dropping support for the stick themselves. So it all comes down to Sony releasing a firmware update which fixes this; however this doesn't seem like it's going to happen since they're more than happy to continue to not support something they haven't touched for a few years now.

This is so wrong. Mad Catz will support anyone regarding service/warranty on their fightsticks. If I could have made this stick backwards compatible with PS2 emulation on PS3s, I would have. It's not that simple.

Also, what really needs to be fixed is the backwards compatibility itself. I hate playing PS2 games (fighters mainly) on PS3 because of the lag.

That's what I hope gets fixed.

 

[fuzzyreactor]

Out of curiosity, how are you guys updating your PS3s? USB stick, or direct download to console? Doubt it would make a difference, but...

direct dl

 

[Dragona Akehi]

Well, there's actually no possible way for Sony to test every single accessory (whether its PS3 or every single PS2 accessory with every PS2 to USB adapter out there), movie (DVD or blu-ray), game (whether it be PS3, PS2, or PS1), bluetooth headset, etc. when working with future firmwares. Since Sony is trying to reduce the size of the OS/firmware, where more features can be implemented, sometimes things can happen when they are compressing/re-writing the OS software. Its just the price you have to pay for trying to add certain features, unless every PS3 console had more RAM made available. I remember a while ago when Wild Arms 4 stopped working on the 20GB/60GB SKU. I honestly don't think Sony meant it to happen, just kind of happened. But since people reported it, it was fixed. I remember some firmware kind of messed up bluetooth headsets, but they seem to work fine now. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the PS3 firmware is now tested on non-BC PS3 consoles, and if that's the case, it might be possible they didn't know certain PS2 accessories may not work.

I reported the BD problem as soon as 2.70 hit. It's now 2.80 and there isn't a fix. This is a major problem for their system, especially since their other players do not have this issue.

 

[fuzzyreactor]

I reported the BD problem as son as 2.70 hit. It's now 2.80 and there isn't a fix. This is a major problem for their system, especially since their other players do not have this issue.

when you contacted them, did they seem aware and did they seem to care?

 

[Dragona Akehi]

when you contacted them, did they seem aware and did they seem to care?

As mentioned earlier, no they had no idea. But they didn't seem to really consider it important. They "put it in the pile" for the "engineers to read".

I wish there was a way for me to downgrade to the last firmware before 2.70.

 

[conman]

However I got one of them new fangled Mad Catz Tournament Fight stick doohickies so I can play all the PS2 fighters I've had for a while now so I can wash some of the staleness of SF4 out of my palate.

Hate to sound like an ass, but doing your research first may have persuaded you that this was a bad idea.

Knowing that peripherals are already hit-and-miss on the platform (guitars, wheels, etc) should have made you a bit more careful. Because there are sticks that will work with PS2 games on the PS3.

 

[BoilersFan23]

I reported the BD problem as soon as 2.70 hit. It's now 2.80 and there isn't a fix. This is a major problem for their system, especially since their other players do not have this issue.

Eh, I wouldn't expect it to be there right away. Personally, I'd get more worried if it wasn't done by Firmware 2.9 or 3.0. I remember the headset issue took at least two full firmware updates to address or something.

Hate to sound like an ass, but doing your research first may have persuaded you that this was a bad idea.

Knowing that peripherals are already hit-and-miss on the platform (guitars, wheels, etc) should have made you a bit more careful. Because there are sticks that will work with PS2 games on the PS3.

I've learned to just not bother with PS2 accessories on PS3. I know for certain the Taiko drum don't work, and neither do guitars (unless you are playing GH1, SOME guitars might work with certain adapters). It's a huge hit or miss, because I know some adapters have been able to make a DDR pad work, while others could not. And especially since Sony doesn't officially license an accessory to make PS2 accessories work (and I doubt they ever will), I just say don't bother. I just leave my PS2 accessories to the PS2 since I know they'll work without any input lag and will continue to work on the PS2 (because its possible a PS3 firmware update could mess up the accessory or even the game).

 

[fuzzyreactor]

I wish there was a way for me to downgrade to the last firmware before 2.70.

agreed, if it wasnt for the fact i can t play online with outdated firmware i would have already traded my 60 gig for my pops outdated 40 gig. IMO this is a huge issue

 

[panda21]

Discs that originate in EU but are region-free (ie: that don't have region flags).

Also, is your JP PS3 up to date? What are your connection settings?

It could possibly be a US Firmware issue only, I don't know.

i have 2.80. its connected via hdmi - dvi-d cable to a monitor with hdcp. i always check online to see if they are region free before i buy them but warner ones all are afaik and even some that say they aren't on the box still work.

never had any problems with it

 

[HUELEN10]

This is so wrong. Mad Catz will support anyone regarding service/warranty on their fightsticks. If I could have made this stick backwards compatible with PS2 emulation on PS3s, I would have. It's not that simple.

Also, what really needs to be fixed is the backwards compatibility itself. I hate playing PS2 games (fighters mainly) on PS3 because of the lag.

That's what I hope gets fixed.

What causes laggy PS/2 games anyways? It can't be upscale lag, I mean it shouldn't be that if playing the PS3 over 480i on an SD set still shows lag. Seriously, I can't play a lot of music games because of it. I ask in the hope that someone knows more on this.

 

[Dragona Akehi]

i have 2.80. its connected via hdmi - dvi-d cable to a monitor with hdcp. i always check online to see if they are region free before i buy them but warner ones all are afaik and even some that say they aren't on the box still work.

As mentioned the discs are definitely region free: they work on other players and they DID work before 2.70.

never had any problems with it

Guess it's a US only firmware problem. Mind telling me what your video settings (480p/720p/etc)?

 

[snap0212]

Wait, region-free BD don't work anymore?

Did I miss the shitload of Sony-hate that should have come up after it happend?!?

 

[IrishNinja]

wait, what lag? i guess i havent played many fighters BD, but all others games/genres havent had any lag so far. granted, its mostly been RPGs and katamari.

that said, sony shot themselves in the foot this gen by promising me true backwards compatibility with my 60 GB, but Wu-Tang: Shaolin Style cant get past the character select screen. ive tried 2 copies! im this close to bringing down the hammer and starting an online petition.

 

[BoilersFan23]

What causes laggy PS/2 games anyways? It can't be upscale lag, I mean it shouldn't be that if playing the PS3 over 480i on an SD set still shows lag. Seriously, I can't play a lot of music games because of it. I ask in the hope that someone knows more on this.

PS2 games lag a little when played on PS3, where it has some effect, but not major IMO. Now playing PS1 games on PS3 has major lag.

As for lag, could be the conversion process when accessories are hooked up. Could partially be the bluetooth wasn't designed to work with PS1/PS2 games years ago. Could be that the PS3 wasn't technically made to play PS1/PS2 games first in mind, more so PS3 games (because even PS3 consoles with full BC are built a bit different than a PS2).

wait, what lag? i guess i havent played many fighters BD, but all others games/genres havent had any lag so far. granted, its mostly been RPGs and katamari.

that said, sony shot themselves in the foot this gen by promising me true backwards compatibility with my 60 GB, but Wu-Tang: Shaolin Style cant get past the character select screen. ive tried 2 copies! im this close to bringing down the hammer and starting an online petition.

Wu-Tang: Shaolin Style is a PS1 game, its playing off of a PS1 100% software emulator. Trying to make an emulator run every single game out there flawless is not an easy task. For what the PS1 emulator runs on PS3, I'd say its good.

Sony is moving away from BC (it seems to be Kaz's plan), so I really doubt many future fixes will come to games.

 

[Stinkles]

My only issue is faulty surround through my TV's Dolby Digital (stereo) speakers - which I put down to a HDMI issue, which may or may not be the PS3's fault. But it's annoying and I can't fix it.

 

[HUELEN10]

PS2 games lag a little when played on PS3, where it has some effect, but not major IMO. Now playing PS1 games on PS3 has major lag.

As for lag, could be the conversion process when accessories are hooked up. Could partially be the bluetooth wasn't designed to work with PS1/PS2 games years ago. Could be that the PS3 wasn't technically made to play PS1/PS2 games first in mind, more so PS3 games (because even PS3 consoles with full BC are built a bit different than a PS2).

I see. All I know is that Parappa 1 & 2, Older DDR, and Um Jammer Lammy becomes unplayable.

 

[panda21]

As mentioned the discs are definitely region free: they work on other players and they DID work before 2.70.



Guess it's a US only firmware problem. Mind telling me what your video settings (480p/720p/etc)?

wait so no discs work or only the 'being human' disc? that really sucks if they all suddenly broke.. i'm worried about mine now.

720p, audio via an old ps2 s-video cable.

possibly the US hardware is different but from what i remember the firmwares are the same across all regions, and there are just multiple versions for the varying BC hardware in the early models. i usually download the firmware from my US account and it makes no difference, although i'm not sure how all that works..

 

[lyre]

This is so wrong. Mad Catz will support anyone regarding service/warranty on their fightsticks. If I could have made this stick backwards compatible with PS2 emulation on PS3s, I would have. It's not that simple.

Also, what really needs to be fixed is the backwards compatibility itself. I hate playing PS2 games (fighters mainly) on PS3 because of the lag.

I stand corrected and thanks for the reply.

It's unfortunate that this has to happen cause now I'm back to using the old Hori Tekken5 stick which doesn't feel remotely as good as the Fight stick.

Hate to sound like an ass, but doing your research first may have persuaded you that this was a bad idea.

Knowing that peripherals are already hit-and-miss on the platform (guitars, wheels, etc) should have made you a bit more careful. Because there are sticks that will work with PS2 games on the PS3.

Unfortunately I had to import mine and unless I made my order well in advance, I wouldn't get it in a timely fashion, or if I'd get it at all. And then I hear Mad Catz had some supply problems for a little bit.

It's not really me not doing my research but by the time issues like this show up, it'll be too late to cancel my order.

 

[CPS2]

Yea. Madcatz is know for their crappy hardware stuff so I can see why it wont work on PS3. I remember my bro having Madcatz stuff for ps1/ps2 and always died on him.(memory cards/controlers)

Same thing happened with Sega and Hori until Sony updated. It's a firmware thing, not hardware. TEs are good in case you haven't heard.

 

[Knightfall]

When will people stop making threads to bitch about whatever miniscule problem they have with there playstation?

 

[fuzzyreactor]

When will people stop making threads to bitch about whatever miniscule problem they have with there playstation?

when you stop clicking on them

 

[Christoff Yurievich]

I have a copy of the two seasons of "Life on Mars" UK...

*runs to check*

ok, the discs load fine. whoo.

When will people stop making threads to bitch about whatever miniscule problem they have with there playstation?

jr vs mod, fight [/sfannouncer]

 

[Barry Lightning]

2 things nag me:

every time i put a bluray in it asks me if i want to connect to the internet. there's no option that states, "never connect to internet"

the other thing is when i am watching a video, say from ps3 media server, the buddy notifications for "buddy logged on/off" pop up. i cant find a way to shut that off ONLY while watching videos.

 

[Opiate]

Hardware incompatibilities and inconsistencies are creeping, ever so slowly, in to the console space.

 

[IrishNinja]

Wu-Tang: Shaolin Style is a PS1 game, its playing off of a PS1 100% software emulator. Trying to make an emulator run every single game out there flawless is not an easy task. For what the PS1 emulator runs on PS3, I'd say its good.

huh, id not noticed the ps1 lag as much, but then i havent played them on their original hardware in years.
and i know you're right, its a PS1 game, i just figured PSX emulated better/easier than PS2, wasnt expecting any trouble.

Sony is moving away from BC (it seems to be Kaz's plan), so I really doubt many future fixes will come to games.

/HAMMER COMIN' DOWN.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Why would SCEA create an update for a product, which if you use, voids the warranty on the system? Madcatz products are considered unlicensed products.

 

[Dragona Akehi]

When will people stop making threads to bitch about whatever miniscule problem they have with there playstation?

Oh it's a LITTLE problem when a MAJOR aspect of their system doesn't work. A large contingent of my blurays, part of the reason I bought a PS3 are no longer working. Also you might want to look up what "possessive" means in regards to English grammar.

wait so no discs work or only the 'being human' disc? that really sucks if they all suddenly broke.. i'm worried about mine now.

None of my EU originating discs are working asides from Paprika, which boots directly to the menu. So that's a lot of useless blurays I have right now...

720p, audio via an old ps2 s-video cable.

Ah, just wondering. I had read online that someone was able to get it working again by "playing with the settings", but I was never able to figure out what those settings were. So nothing I haven't tried anyway...

possibly the US hardware is different but from what i remember the firmwares are the same across all regions, and there are just multiple versions for the varying BC hardware in the early models. i usually download the firmware from my US account and it makes no difference, although i'm not sure how all that works..

Well I have no idea, but it's really annoying. Isn't the 60GB US console identical to the JP 60GB unit? Maybe you should check your discs...


Oh and one other problem that's been bothering me. Why on earth will the PS3 not play region free PAL DVDs? Don't give me "it can't play PAL signals" because if I rip the DVD and put an unaltered VOB onto a memstick.... oh look it plays! It's all kinds of bullshit.