BadAss2961
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Looks like an ashen-haired woman with a scar on her face.
I bet all of this could've been settled with a round of Gwent.
Video shows FSU QB throwing a punch at a woman at a bar
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I bet all of this could've been settled with a round of Gwent.
If she was the first to initiate violent contact then he is completely justified in defending himself.
He didn't hit her to make her suffer, he hit her to disable the threat. And it worked. Now, had he gotten on top of her and started hitting her repeatedly then I'd say fuck him. but that's not what happened.
Hopefully things will get sorted out in court.
He didn't hit her to make her suffer, he hit her to disable the threat. And it worked. Now, had he gotten on top of her and started hitting her repeatedly then I'd say fuck him. but that's not what happened.
Hopefully things will get sorted out in court.
RockTurtle
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but she physically assaulted him twice....
Mammoth Jones
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This is why I avoid bars filled to the brim with young cats. Too aggressive.
Dude should be drinking in a place that's chill where he can sit down in peace and have someone bring him his booze.
First step in avoiding confrontation is realizing when to swallow your pride and walk away.
Dude should be drinking in a place that's chill where he can sit down in peace and have someone bring him his booze.
First step in avoiding confrontation is realizing when to swallow your pride and walk away.
Delta Assault
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Oh jeez. The KHarvey spiral begins. I remember that crazy train lady thread.
*slits wrists*
*slits wrists*
Sho_Nuff82
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Throwing a drink at someone can be construed as assault in a court of law. I don't recommend this ever, it's passive aggressive and stupid.
On the other hand, it's going to be really hard to convict someone of assault if they punch you seconds after you deck them in the face.
She assaulted him, lets not get it twisted. Being small does not give you more rights.
I dunno. I remember Jay Z doing the right thing against Solange and receiving widespread mockery for it. Dudes are told to just walk away or restrain a woman that assaults them, but then get endless shit for it from everyone. There are some serious conflicting messages about this sort of thing.
ESPN article says he was attempting to cut in to the bar "line" by pushing past her while she was waiting for her order(s) to come in. If anything, her confronting him makes her in the right for him being a dick like that, but her attempting to punch him/start a fight over it is a bit bullshit. Looking at the .gifs it seems readily apparent they both could be at that bar if they squeezed in no problem. They're both pretty much dicks in this case.
why are we pretending that im speaking in absolutes, and I didnt say walk away?
take the other option then mate. and no a drink in the face isnt the same as a concussion, bloody nose, or a black eye.
unless there is a language barrier and you think I mean throwing a glass at someone.?
Except for the fact that she assaulted him first.
The fact that her assault didn't do anything to him doesn't change that.
It goes for physical and verbal provocation. Unless he needs to physically defend himself, assault is not excused. Even if he were in a position to justifiably defend himself, his response must be proportional to the threat.
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Oh no, she allegedly used the N-bomb! How did he survive?!
crisdecuba
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This is interesting because it feels like we're in different worlds. Ingrained in me, probably by my parents, is the notion that retaliating against such a small person is the real sign of weakness, and that what the "public" thinks about it is meaningless.
PantherLotus
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Oh please.
cubicle47b
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If you're a high profile athlete with a promising future you've got to be smarter than this. You're potentially throwing away a *lot* of money. Doesn't matter if it's a man or woman that hits you. You've got to walk away. She's an idiot too, of course.
They even pants you. Bunch of drunken ex cons, the lot of them.
So a weakly thrown punch and a kick to her groin?
CountAntonius
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She shouldn't have done that. He shouldn't have done that.
This was not self defense.
This was not self defense.
You are a complete hypocrite with that statement. So men are suppose to take the violence and do nothing, whereas women can unleash all sorts of self-defense?
Firelord Chargrilled
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She called him a nigger then kicked and punched him
What? Are you saying that didn't happen?
Was her response proportional to the threat. She's raising her fists literally the second he bumps into her.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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And that's exactly what he did. She punched him. He proportionally punched her back. She hit him 3 times the limit amount that she didn't need to do to get him to remove himself. He hit her once and ended the entire situation.
I don't advocate for men hitting women in any situation, but the video is pretty clear.
It wasn't self defense. If he were backed into a corner then it would be self defense but he could have just walked away from the crazy bitch. As it is, it looks like they were both in the wrong. Her because she initiated the altercation, called him a nigger, kneed him in the balls and punched him in the face unprovoked, and him because he's a college football quarterback and is obviously going to be much stronger than some chick at a bar and he shouldn't have smacked the shit out of her like that.
drinks are expensive
Jawbreaker
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Anything can be settled with a game of Gwent and upgraded Axii.
yeah, are people thinking the glass and all? or jusy the liquid.
and youd be justified tossing a drink.in someones face "spilling" seconds after they assaulted you.
just no need for punching at all, in thie scenario that you're being antagonized.
brianmcdoogle
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You know how many women and men I've punched in my life?
None. Don't punch people.
None. Don't punch people.
Allegedly .
In the video none of that is visible. Even the punch misses.
Anyway nobody is saying she's innocent, but the response is disproportionate and the only demonstrable crime that nobody is refuting is the QB's underage drinking.
Proportional, not identical.
And?
I still don't understand why pointing out his wrongdoing has you thinking anyone is justifying hers.
He was not justified in using force to defend himself and, regardless, his response is obviously not proportional.
Your defense completely relies on the idea that because he's bigger than her, then he loses his right to defend himself or be seen as the attacked party. I just don't know if I agree with that.
crisdecuba
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Nah, it wasn't as universal or widespread as you're perceiving it. I saw more instances of props being given from what I remember.
Randolph Freelander
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Correct. We're just accepting the athlete's claim of the unseen knee and the unheard epithet? Is that what we're doing here?
Icewear Vezzo
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So wait, the woman allegedly called him a nigger, kicked him in the nuts, and swung at him twice......
and people are shocked he retaliated?
Literally being called a nigger alone is infuriating enough to provoke someone, and she did much more than that. Like literally, what was he supposed to do? Walk away from all that, call the police and take her to court?
Please, stop. Props to this QB if she did call him a nigger, no sympathy for racists.
and people are shocked he retaliated?
Literally being called a nigger alone is infuriating enough to provoke someone, and she did much more than that. Like literally, what was he supposed to do? Walk away from all that, call the police and take her to court?
Please, stop. Props to this QB if she did call him a nigger, no sympathy for racists.
There are grounds for both of them to be charged with assault.
I watched the full CCTV video, it was clear that the woman initialled and escalated the confrontation, then threw the first punch. She was the primary aggressor, but chose to fight someone much bigger and stronger than her. The fact she came off worse should be no surprise to her.
The confrontation started when the dude tried to squeeze past to get to a free space at a busy bar. His arm was just reaching out to claim his spot at the bar. It's not like he was harming her, or groping her, or anything untoward. His arm touched her on the back, and he his back to her when she turns around and started mouthing off at him.
She then raises her fist at him while shouting in his face. If she kneed him, it's hard to see. Te grabs her raised arm, and she clocks him with a closed fist. He returns in kind and obviously hits with much greater force. She's mouthing off throughout the entire thing.
She started a bar fight and came of worse from the altercation.
I watched the full CCTV video, it was clear that the woman initialled and escalated the confrontation, then threw the first punch. She was the primary aggressor, but chose to fight someone much bigger and stronger than her. The fact she came off worse should be no surprise to her.
The confrontation started when the dude tried to squeeze past to get to a free space at a busy bar. His arm was just reaching out to claim his spot at the bar. It's not like he was harming her, or groping her, or anything untoward. His arm touched her on the back, and he his back to her when she turns around and started mouthing off at him.
She then raises her fist at him while shouting in his face. If she kneed him, it's hard to see. Te grabs her raised arm, and she clocks him with a closed fist. He returns in kind and obviously hits with much greater force. She's mouthing off throughout the entire thing.
She started a bar fight and came of worse from the altercation.
First of all, Johnson pushed her from behind into the bar escalating the situation. And yes, if some drunk idiot who weighs 100 pounds less than you decides to start something, you walk away. Tell a bouncer and have them tossed or find somewhere else to go. You don't smash someone's face over a weak ass glancing blow like that.
Starfish Hero
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Well, facing ridicule doesn't sound so bad when the alternative is decking someone in the face.
Josh with a J
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Don't start punching if you can't back it up
stop being hyperbolic and be intellectually honest for a moment. im talking about this exact thread, and this exact scenario. its how I act because when faced with viloent women, you leave, as youre capable of changing the situation.
thats a broad statement you're making that can't possibly be entertained without specific instances.
id rather be a hypocrite than someone hitting a woman at a bar. and no need to mention losing my life dream. always.
Icewear Vezzo
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Rightfully so.
If only a QB could move goalposts as quickly as you.
he should have just walked away maaaan
Maybe it was just in places I hung around then. I remember a ton of "funny" gifs and images that came from that event.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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Tbh, I don't know if she was drunk and that's why she threw such a weak misguided punch since some people are naturally more bold and brazen when drunk.
And I partially agree that he used a lot of force, but I mean, she did try him 3 times until he finally broke. In that confined area, what was he to do after getting punched? Push her back into more people so she could continue wailing on him? Throw her over the counter? Like, he retailed back with a hit because she hit him first, multiple times.
At the beginning of the video, she is in his ear about something and then he says something back, then goes to completely ignoring her until she clocked her shoulders back forcing him back. She literally provoked this situation
I'm not defending her in the slightest, I'm just not defending him either. It's hard to tell what all really happened from the video. If she was really swinging at him and trying to knee him in the balls and he had a hard time backing away because it was so crowded, then yeah I can understand why he would take a swing at her in the heat of the moment.
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Are you really saying you need to be backed against a wall with no other recourse for someone to defend themselves?
fuck that.
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