I am immensely impressed with Bernie Sanders

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As someone who supported Hillary Clinton, I decided to do some more research after taking the isidewith poll which said my views aligned most with Bernie. I admit I've only followed the election peripherally and am not well educated on many issues. So I watched:
Bernie Sanders Rally in Portland, Maine
Followed by:
Hillary Clinton's Rally in New York for comparison purposes. I also watched this fantastic Katie Couric interview. And I've been noticing some important differences:

1. When I watch Hillary speak, I think "yes of course that makes sense, everyone knows that" but when I watch Bernie speak I think "that makes so much sense, I can't believe I've never thought about it quite like that before." Hillary at times feels like she is reading a speech off of note cards, but Bernie feels like he's talking to the common person from across the table.

2. Hillary feels like she does the right thing when it's the popular opinion. Bernie feels like he does the right thing no matter what. I was incredibly impressed when, during the Katie Couric interview, Bernie refuses to speak negatively about Hillary in any way, showing the utmost respect. I remember during the 1992 election, when so much focus was placed on character, and both Bush and Clinton said they were "trouble by the negative tone of the campaign" yet both still ran attack ads against each other on the air. Finally there is someone in Bernie who seems to walk the walk. Bernie and Hillary are both against Citizens United, but Bernie is the only one who actually refuses to take any PAC money, to his great detriment.

3. To follow up on #2, I was surprised to find out that Bernie Sanders has been supporting gay marriage since 1996. He voted against the Iraq War, against renewing Bush tax cuts, and against the Patriot Act, an issue which Hillary and Obama has disappointed me on. He seems very consistent on doing the right thing, no matter the public opinion at the time.

4. I noticed Hillary ended her rally with the traditional "thank you, God bless you, and God bless the United States of America" while Bernie ended his rally with "Thank you very much." In a country that was founded on religious freedom, with many religious groups and an ever-decreasing Christian population, one that preaches the separation of church and state, it makes so much sense to drop the "God" part from a political speech and just end with "Thank you very much" yet he's the only candidate I've seen who does this. (I also like that he identifies as Jewish but says he's "not very religious")

5. More logic that makes so much sense: "if banks are too big to fail, they are too big to exist." How can anyone argue against this? He follows in another interview "if Teddy Roosevelt were president today, what would he do?" (Interviewer: "he would probably break them up")

6. He's incredibly right in saying that no president, no matter who it is, can do it alone. I think that was the mistake we made with President Obama, thinking all we have to do is vote him in all he'll do it all alone, and then being disappointed when he can't get it done all alone. We need to all become more active in the political process, vote in every election possible, take some precious time out of our weeks and educate ourselves on the issues, and vote in progressive Senators and Congressmen, not just the President. When we have a conservative-leaning Supreme Court voting in favor of gay marriage nationwide, it shows that the public opinion matters and the people matter. We don't just have to sit back, look at a Republican Senate and House, and say well nothing will ever get done so why bother. Because when the people voice their opinions and take action, the government must listen.

So, I have made a $25 contribution to the Bernie Sanders campaign (having never contributed to anyone) and looking into doing some volunteering for him. Let me make this clear about Hillary: I have a ton of respect for what she has done, agree with her on most issues, and would happily vote for her in the general election if she's the candidate. I think she would make a great president, and I think having a woman president would have a large positive impact on today's young women. However, when we compare the two candidates side by side, when it comes to the issues and character, I have to admit Bernie Sanders is simply the better candidate.

In this thread, feel free to comment on how you came to support the candidate you are supporting, and how you are contributing.

FAQ:


Q: Do we really need another Bernie Sanders thread?
A: Yes. Yes we do. I think GAF is too liberal on many issues but Bernie is clearly the best candidate we currently have.
 
It seems Bernie really believes what he's saying. Perhaps that just means he's a really good politician. Hilary like Obama seems to be willing to go with the flow and say what people want to hear at the time and adjust accordingly.

I'd vote for Bernie.
 

Arksy

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Meh, I'm an Australian conservative or soft-libertarian to use the American terminology and even I think Bernie is the best you've got right now.
 

Pastry

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Seems like a cool guy.

100% unelectable though. So I am not wasting much interest or any $$$ on him.

That's pretty much my opinion on the matter, maybe he'll push Hillary to the left a little.

I personally feel this election is too important to throw a vote away on Bernie. Losing Supreme Court nominations would be disastrous in the long run.
 
Bernie is awesome. I'm constantly impressed with the guy. I'm always glad to see people like him run, even against long odds.

Oh and blah blah blah hero you need blah blah blah not the one you deserve.
 
Obama, Clinton, Bush, etc are all cut from the same corporate mold.

They say different things but at the end of the day the result is the same, less money for us, more money for rich corporations.

It's all about using your money and giving it to military corporations.

I for one am tired of that.

A vote for Hillary is a vote for the Reagan era
 

War Peaceman

You're a big guy.
Part of the appeal is that Bernie isn't hamstrung by needing to appease a wide base or control himself. He knows he is not going to win so he is liberated and able to speak openly about his beliefs. I'm sure many previous (Republican and Democrat) candidates have beliefs that would be more appealing to liberal youth but have had to obscure them in order to appeal to more people.
 

USC-fan

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Really show how weak Mrs Clinton is...

Really crazy we have no choice. Just likely won't vote. Or just vote for Donald...bc it just be lol.
 
I'm most definitely for Bernie Sanders, and it is nice to see him pick up momentum. However, I don't see him have a large chance at winning myself. The guy is outrageously progressive and his policies, as amazing and socialist as they are, will be demonized by the right for pretty much being "communist".

I do admire Sanders. Most consistent views out of any politician in my life time it seems. And he does what he thinks is right, rather than what money or popular opinion says. Honestly, Democrats and Republicans probably see him as a dangerous politician when taking this into account.
 
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Deleted member 231381

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To someone who's not politically savvy, why is he unelectable

Socialists are the second most disliked group in America, just ahead of atheists and slightly behind Muslims.
 

Blader

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He's not going to win, but ideally he gets to push the conversation in a way that forces Hilary into some more left-leaning positions.
 

Jag

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2. Hillary feels like she does the right thing when it's the popular opinion. Bernie feels like he does the right thing no matter what.

Which is why he will never get elected.

Q: Do we really need another Bernie Sanders thread?
A: Yes. Yes we do. I think GAF is too liberal on many issues but Bernie is clearly the best candidate we currently have.

We need a Bernie Sanders OT

And on Civil Rights? Dude was there.

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inm8num2

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To someone who's not politically savvy, why is he unelectable

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Of course, that shouldn't stop people from voting for whom they truly want to be president, but then you get into the whole "well I need to vote for X so that Y doesn't win" mentality.
 

T'Zariah

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Obama, Clinton, Bush, etc are all cut from the same corporate mold.

They say different things but at the end of the day the result is the same, less money for us, more money for rich corporations.

It's all about using your money and giving it to military corporations.

I for one am tired of that.

A vote for Hillary is a vote for the Reagan era

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Absolutely fucking insulting.

We're STILL trying to fix the fuck ups the Reagan administration handed down. To believe that somehow Hillary is on Reagan's level is mind boggling.
 

Africanus

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If he makes it past primaries, I'll vote for him.

However, unfortunately, Clinton has much influence, a tad too much actually.
It's unfortunate because the U.S. hasn't had a socialist with this much potential since Eugene V. Debs of 1912.
 
Seems like a cool guy.

100% unelectable though. So I am not wasting much interest or any $$$ on him.

You know if everyone who said he's unelectable voted for him, he would have a really good chance.

I mean, if you're gonna vote for him at least vote for him in the primaries, in the general election he will wipe the floor against any republican candidate.
 
You know if everyone who said he's unelectable voted for him, he would have a really good chance.

I mean, if you're gonna vote for him at least vote for him in the primaries, in the general election he will wipe the floor against any republican candidate.

This group isn't really that many people though. It's just a vocal (and probably, correct) segment of the Internet.
 

boiled goose

good with gravy
Oh please.

No democratic system allows people that are far out of the mainstream to be elected.

Just because you or I like him doesn't mean he is entitled to become President.

Issue by issue he is not that far off.

Drop the labels and american stances are not far off.
 
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Of course, that shouldn't stop people from voting for whom they truly want to be president, but then you get into the whole "well I need to vote for X so that Y doesn't win" mentality.

Man, just seeing meryl lynch on hilaries campaign donor list gives me reason to pause.

Bernie definitely makes a connection with the working class!
 
Seems like a cool guy.

100% unelectable though. So I am not wasting much interest or any $$$ on him.

That's pretty much my opinion on the matter, maybe he'll push Hillary to the left a little.

I personally feel this election is too important to throw a vote away on Bernie. Losing Supreme Court nominations would be disastrous in the long run.

Completely untrue. A candidate is elected if enough people vote for him or her. It's entirely possible for enough people to vote for Bernie Sanders. It's up to us. There's no commandment in the sky that dictates how we can vote.

Some people say a Socialist is unelectable. While I disagree with Socialism and had similar concerns, I have few problems with Bernie's brand of Socialism which he describes in this video, and neither does the audience. His ideas are electable if we get the message out.

Hillary for president and Bernie Sanders for Vice President? or vice versa? That would be awesome.

I love this exchange from Katie Couric's interview I linked in the OP:

Katie: "Is your plan to push Hillary more the left?"
Bernie: "No no no...I plan to win this election."
Katie: "Would you be interested in being Hillary's running mate?"
Bernie: "Would...Hillary...be interested in being...MY running mate?"
 

Crayons

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Bernie Sanders is THE MAN

I don't care what people say, bullshit about "wasting votes", he has my vote, and he'll probably get my money too

He is the only candidate that is actually in it for the people
 
The best thing Bernie can do is try and get as much attention as possible to put pressure on Hillary to sway some of her stances his way.

Because, who are we kidding? Hillary already has the nod.
 
You know if everyone who said he's unelectable voted for him, he would have a really good chance.

I mean, if you're gonna vote for him at least vote for him in the primaries, in the general election he will wipe the floor against any republican candidate.

No. He wouldn't.

Like it or not, mainstream Americans would not vote for him.


I will not vote for him in the primaries because he could become the nominee, and he wouldn't even break 100 electoral votes against the Republican.

That could lead to a slew of new conservative Supreme Court Justices..... not worth it.
 

Omikaru

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I like Sanders. Seems like a cool guy. Reminds me of Jeremy Corbyn, who is running for leadership of the Labour Party here in the UK.

Regardless of their electability (and I feel that saying that is counterproductive and self-fulfilling anyway), their increased profile shows that certain parts of the electorate are becoming increasingly disaffected with politics as usual, and actually want to see a government implement strong non-Neoliberal policies.

Unfortunately, politics is as much about image as it is policies, so the usual anti-austerity/alternative non-Neoliberal candidates tend to suffer. I just wonder how long it will take before these candidates see a major breakthrough.
 
This group isn't really that many people though. It's just a vocal (and probably, correct) segment of the Internet.

It's enough to narrow the gaps in New Hampshire polls.

And I know, the chance of him dethroning Hillary in the primaries is difficult, but if he can pull off wins in New Hampshire or get close in Ohio, that's more national recognition.

And just wait and see what he's like in the debates.
 

Davey Cakes

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That's pretty much my opinion on the matter, maybe he'll push Hillary to the left a little.

I personally feel this election is too important to throw a vote away on Bernie. Losing Supreme Court nominations would be disastrous in the long run.
Go for Bernie in the primary and Hillary as the "inevitable" candidate in the general.
 
Seems like a cool guy.

100% unelectable though. So I am not wasting much interest or any $$$ on him.

this mentality is so frustating. People complain about this and then follow up with a bunch of arm chair activism and naysaying. This is one reason so many politicians rely so heavily on corporate contributions. I always donate to candidates I support, 5 bucks here, 20 bucks there, 15 bucks, etc. The majority of people don't care, it means they may have to put forth the tiniest bit of effort.
 

Cheebo

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Bernie is a self-confessed open SOCIALIST.

Take a look at this recent poll. The public isn't a hardcore liberal friendly place like it is online.

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If he got the nomination he'd lose to the republican in a landslide.
 

Ehh, yea, Jeb would be a big issue.

But we are a year and some months away from the election, big things can happen between now and then and you don't know what national recognition will look like for candidates a year from now.

Bernie is a self-confessed open SOCIALIST.

Take a look at this recent poll. The public isn't a hardcore liberal friendly place like it is online.

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If he got the nomination he'd lose to the republican in a landslide.

That's because the current connotative definition of a socialist has been completely tainted and thrown threw loops in this country. He could easily change the national definition if he gains more traction in debates and people have a chance to listen to what that word actually means (and have people figure out that they have many socialist systems already working in their life)
 
this mentality is so frustating. People complain about this and then follow up with a bunch of arm chair activism and naysaying. This is one reason so many politicians rely so heavily on corporate contributions. I always donate to candidates I support, 5 bucks here, 20 bucks there, 15 bucks, etc. The majority of people don't care, it means they may have to put forth the tiniest bit of effort.

The current setup of our election system creates a rigid two party structure. As long as that exists the system will elect candidates relatively close to the center politically.

It has nothing at all to do with people "naysaying".
 
Socialists are the second most disliked group in America, just ahead of atheists and slightly behind Muslims.

Lol that poll was garbage.

First, its not exhaustive. Had they asked things like "Wiccan" or "Child Molester" etc etc then obviously it wouldnt be the second most disliked group.

Secondly, had they substituted "democrat" for "socialist" youd probably get the exact same result.
 
Just make sure you don't get caught up in the "if I can't have Bernie, then fuck the whole system" mentality like what happened in that other thread. I took the quiz, and Bernie was my #1 match at 95% followed by Hillary at 80%. I'd like to vote for Bernie in the general, but he won't make it that far.
Not that my vote matters anyway, I live in a solidly red state.
 
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