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[gundamkyoukai]

lol, people are killing me with this "we probably wouldn't get SFV without Sony" shit. SF isn't Shenmue. It's one of the two series Capcom can really back themselves on. Is Sony going to save Resident Evil next or DMC? Those are 5x more likely to disappear than fucking SF.

RE is capcom biggest IP number wise so you would be wrong .
ROI wise mostly like MH .
Also capcom did not bring out a SF in 10 years .
So the idea that they really back there self on it is funny.

Still not like this matter cause SE is not Capcom .

 

[Rembrandt]

Resident Evil makes Capcom a lot more money than Street Fighter.

are you including RE movie deal and excluding the multiple SF editions for each title?

Exactly, more speculation. Before the exclusivity deal rise of the tomb raider was releasing on PS3. It went up for preorder on PS3 at least. Launching a PS3 game more than a year from now makes less sense than it does a few months from now.

Not when the PS4 version isn't coming out for a year or are you saying they should have a completely staggered release like XB1/360 > PC > PS3 > PS4? also the only thing i could find was the PS3 version having a preorder on amazon which doesn't mean much, tbh.

RE is capcom biggest IP number wise so you would be wrong .
ROI wise mostly like MH .
Also capcom did not bring out a SF in 10 years .
So the idea that they really back there self on it is funny.

They back themselves on it in the sense that I bet SF will be around longer than RE. It's a consistent series of theirs and one they know will always be a success.

 

[Birgitte2004]

IIRC Tomb Raider was shown as PS4/One and then was taken away due to an exclusivity deal

You recall wrong. Platforms were not mentioned at the reveal...the first time platforms were officially talked about was the exclusivity announcement.

Having said that, there is like zero chance that it was exclusive at the announcement because if it was it would have been trumpeted by Microsoft on the spot instead of waiting several months.

 

[Steroyd]

People seem to forget that Street Fighter always has annoying Super Duper editions that could have just been patched into the "Vanilla" version. So this just makes sure that said Super Duper edition will come out this gen, and to all platforms more than likely.

But again, speculation as much as it coming out at all in a timely manner this gen.

They recently announced that all new DLC characters can be unlocked for free by earning in game currency by playing the game, this murders the probability of a super deluxe edition down the line.

 

[Poeton]

The thing that baffles me is a publisher, as far as I know, have never announced a game's release on another platform until the exclusivity deal has passed. I wonder if pre-orders weren't tracking very well and SE felt this was a good way to convince people to pre-order the game on Xbox or PC now. I think a lot of people thought the exclusivity deal was only for 6 months (myself included) and many people may have decided to wait it out for the PS4 and PC release.

 

[Septic360]

How exactly do you know this? It's a crossgen game. Much the same way it might be "Capcoms decision not to release SF IV on XB1" because of cross platform play. Point is not to speculate why it isn't coming on a platform but the fact that it clearly isn't, contrary to what you suggested.

Huh? Are you saying that this deal specifically negated the PS3 version of the game?

It makes no sense. Absolutely none. Im talking about the context of this exclusivity deal. You might as well then bring the Wii U into this then.

 

[Iorv3th]

Now I have to decide to get it on PC or PS4 (probably PC).


However if we wait a year for a chance to play the game do you guys think we will get any exclusive stuff so we don't feel like second class citizens?

 

[foxbeldin]

Now I have to decide to get it on PC or PS4 (probably PC).


However if we wait a year for a chance to play the game do you guys think we will get any exclusive stuff so we don't feel like second class citizens?

Probably a bit of DLC stuff. I don't see how they could just release the vanilla game a year later. They need to gain their audience back.

 

[Three]

Not when the PS4 version isn't coming out for a year or are you saying they should have a completely staggered release like XB1/360 > PC > PS3 > PS4?

What? What are you talking about? I'm saying game was releasing on all platforms PS3/360/PC/XB1/PS4. Some deal was negotiated that meant the game was releasing on 360/XB1 with other platforms having to wait. MS and SE clearly negotiated a deal that meant it cannot release on a Playstation platform for a year and the PC 6 months. The terms (length of time) they negotiated means that a PS3 version would be more than a year from now, meaning they stopped PS3 sales still in the generation transition. I suspect part of that is to also attract PS3 owners who played tomb raider to get an XB1 to play it. The reason now that there may not be a PS3 version at all more than a year from now is because 360/PS3 sales become even less relevant then.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I think they already confirmed that they aren't doing 'Super' iterations

They recently announced that all new DLC characters can be unlocked for free by earning in game currency by playing the game, this murders the probability of a super deluxe edition down the line.

I did not know this. Thank you for the information. That "money grab" (player base splitting) trend needed to die.

What? What are you talking about? I'm saying game was releasing on all platforms PS3/360/PC/XB1/PS4. Some deal was negotiated that meant the game was releasing on 360/XB1 with other platforms having to wait. MS and SE clearly negotiated a deal that meant it cannot release on a Playstation platform for a year and the PC 6 months. The terms (length of time) they negotiated means that a PS3 version would be more than a year from now, meaning they stopped PS3 sales still in the generation transition. I suspect part of that is to also attract PS3 owners who played tomb raider to get an XB1 to play it. The reason now that there may not be a PS3 version at all more than a year from now is because 360/PS3 sales become even less relevant then.

This. And it was only about this.

Not because they wanted their "Uncharted". If that was their true intent, they would have Mojang'ed that mofo, and not a year rental of the IP. They had their "Uncharted" either way.

 

[GlassEmpires]

They recently announced that all new DLC characters can be unlocked for free by earning in game currency by playing the game, this murders the probability of a super deluxe edition down the line.

There will most likely be a budget GOTY release for really late adopters, EVO converts, or tournament holders

 

[Zombie James]

There will most likely be a budget GOTY release for really late adopters, EVO converts, or tournament holders

 

[Rembrandt]

What? What are you talking about? I'm saying game was releasing on all platforms PS3/360/PC/XB1/PS4. Some deal was negotiated that meant the game was releasing on 360/XB1 with other platforms having to wait. MS and SE clearly negotiated a deal that meant it cannot release on a Playstation platform for a year and the PC 6 months. The terms (length of time) they negotiated means that a PS3 version would be more than a year from now meaning they stopped PS3 sales still in the generation transition I suspect part of that is to also attract PS3 owners who played tomb raider to get an XB1 to play it. The reason now that there may not be a PS3 version at all more than a year from now is because 360/PS3 sales become even less relevant then.

I'm assuming you're getting this from the amazon listing but that was before any consoles were even announced, so they were probably placeholders to be adjusted once the consoles were announced, not indicative of actual launch platforms. Your latter part doesn't even make sense. If they were trying to convince PS3 owners to get a XB1, why have a 360 version in the first place? Why not kill two birds with one stone and try to get PS3 and 360 owners to upgrade by having it only available on XB1?

 

[StevieP]

The thing that baffles me is a publisher, as far as I know, have never announced a game's release on another platform until the exclusivity deal has passed. I wonder if pre-orders weren't tracking very well and SE felt this was a good way to convince people to pre-order the game on Xbox or PC now. I think a lot of people thought the exclusivity deal was only for 6 months (myself included) and many people may have decided to wait it out for the PS4 and PC release.

Resident Evil 4

 

[Loudninja]

There will most likely be a budget GOTY release for really late adopters, EVO converts, or tournament holders

Nah
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2015/07/18/street-fighter-v-a-new-way-to-play/

Btw we should get back on topic here.

 

[Infernostew]

are you including RE movie deal and excluding the multiple SF editions for each title?

No. I don't know the numbers but I'm willing to bet RE6 alone did better for them than all editions of SFIV combined. Not even to mention over the course of the gen they had RE5,6, Op Raccoon City, RE4 HD, Code Veronica HD... This gen alone already has Rev2, REmake HD, and RE0 HD is coming. SF is hardly comparable to RE... I mean people are acting like Capcom pumps out new base SF games every 2 years

 

[Rembrandt]

No. I don't know the numbers but I'm willing to bet RE6 alone did better for them than all editions of SFIV combined. Not even to mention over the course of the gen they had RE5,6, Op Raccoon City, RE4 HD, Code Veronica HD... This gen alone already has Rev2, REmake HD, and RE0 HD is coming. SF is hardly comparable to RE... I mean people are acting like Capcom pumps out new base SF games every 2 years

I don't think so. According to Wiki: 5.2 October 2013. & SFIV (All editions): 8 million Sept 2014.

 

[Steroyd]

There will most likely be a budget GOTY release for really late adopters, EVO converts, or tournament holders

I don't know, that sounds like it would kill the revenue of selling the DLC characters for the whales who don't have time or patience to unlock said characters in game.

 

[GlassEmpires]

I know about that stuff. What I'm saying is when all content is released, they could release a disc with all that for tournament holders.

 

[Three]

I'm assuming you're getting this from the amazon listing but that was before any consoles were even announced, so they were probably placeholders to be adjusted once the consoles were announced, not indicative of actual launch platforms. Your latter part doesn't even make sense. If they were trying to convince PS3 owners to get a XB1, why have a 360 version in the first place? Why not kill two birds with one stone and try to get PS3 and 360 owners to upgrade by having it only available on XB1?

You think a ps3 owner is going to transition to a 360? Why, to play one game and the same games s/he has been playing instead of moving to a new generation?

Believe it or not MS makes money on XBox 360. They would be stopping themselves from making money by preventing sales of a crossgen game. Same reason Titanfall and FH2 released on 360. There were several listings not just one it's how we knew a PS4 version was coming even and how we knew a 360 version was, and it is.

 

[GlassEmpires]

Btw we should get back on topic here.

You're right. Kind of forgot what thread this was >.>


I can wait a year for Lara. Maybe I'll pick up PS4 DE in the meantime

 

[Zombie James]

I know about that stuff. What I'm saying is when all content is released, they could release a disc with all that for tournament holders.

Why would they need to manufacture and ship a new disc when everything post-launch can be downloaded and unlocked? You can even buy everything outright if you're impatient:

 

[Rembrandt]

You think a ps3 owner is going to transition to a 360? Why, to play one game and the same games s/he has been playing instead of moving to a new generation?

Believe it or not MS makes money on XBox 360. They would be stopping themselves from making money by preventing sales of a crossgen game. Same reason Titanfall and FH2 released on 360. There were several listings it's how we knew a PS4 version was coming even and how we knew a 360 version was, and it is.

If they wanted to shift consoles, there should be no last gen version at all, but I guess it doesn't matter cause just like with TF/FH2, they're going to act like the 360 version doesn't exist. I don't see why MS would pay to have a 360 version made but a PS3 version excluded from the PS4's launch. I'm assuming that it was never originally going to come out on last-gen consoles but it was part of the deal for them to port it over.

Link me, bruh. We know the 360 version was coming because there was a post on the Xbox website listing 360/XB1. People assumed the PS4 version was coming because we assume everything is coming to PS4, not that there was any actual evidence backing it. The only thing i've found were placeholder amazon listings before we knew it was even an exclusive. Not conclusive evidence in the slightest.

 

[Shahed]

Yeah this topic isn't about Tomb Raider anymore. It's not far off delving into bickering about semantics

 

[Infernostew]

I don't think so. According to Wiki: 5.2 October 2013. & SFIV (All editions): 8 million Sept 2014.

Only SFIV Vanilla was sold at $60... SSFIV was $40 and AE and Ultra were $15 upgrades and retail was a bit more.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Yeah this topic isn't about Tomb Raider anymore. It's not far off delving into bickering about semantics

Yes it is. It is still on topic about how we feel for the paid delay. It is every bit relevant to the announcement.

 

[jediyoshi]

Why would they need to manufacture and ship a new disc when everything post-launch can be downloaded and unlocked? You can even buy everything outright if you're impatient:

Emphasis on tournament holders.

It's a logistics nightmare if you had to juggle accounts and ensure access to multiple accounts that constantly kept up to date versus having a disc.

 

[klee123]

I wonder why S-E announced the PS4 version's existence so early.

You'd think they'd try to maximize the sales potential of the X1 version first and then announce the PS4 and PC versions like Jan or Feb next year.

With the upcoming release schedule for the remainder of 2015, I highly doubt non X1 owners are going to rush out to buy an X1 when come next year they have a choice of getting potentially superior editions with all the dlc packed in.

Unless of course MS does another fire sale and pretty much give away X1 with a copy of TRs similar to what they did last year.

 

[benny_a]

If you said that it wasn't true because neither is available to everyone, then fine. But you didn't. You said it was because he was ignoring platforms, as though PS4 + PC meant SFV was available to everyone.

I was out but I was referring to the PS3 platform, which is equally as capable as the 360 to run that game if they build from the Tomb Raider reboot base, which worked better on PS3.

Nothing to do with pedantic but clearly just dropping one major platform when talking about "NOBODY" and "EVERYBODY" is conveniently ignoring aspects of this game.

 

[Steroyd]

Emphasis on tournament holders.

It's a logistics nightmare if you had to juggle accounts and ensure access to multiple accounts that constantly kept up to date versus having a disc.

Not really? All Capcom has to do is give tournament holders a cheat code or a special tournament disc with everything selectable, or just buy all the DLC for that console if it isn't being sponsored by Capcom/Sony.

 

[Poeton]

Resident Evil 4

Interesting, I still think the announcement was to try and spur pre-order sales on Xbox.

 

[foxbeldin]

I wonder why S-E is announcing the PS4 version's existence so early?

You'd think they'd try to maximize the sales potential of the X1 version first and then announce the PS4 and PC versions like Jan or Feb next year.

With the upcoming release schedule for the remainder, I highly doubt non X1 owners are going to rush out to buy an X1 when come next year they have a choice of getting potentially superior editions with all the dlc packed in.

Unless of course MS does another fire sale and pretty much give away X1's like what they did last year.

My take :

Because everyone understood it was timed (except for some people with their fingers in their ears shouting 'lalalala i can't hear you') and assumed it was around 6 months.

They get to come out and say it's double that amount of time. I'm pretty sure MS greenlighted this announce.

 

[Rembrandt]

Only SFIV Vanilla was sold at $60... SSFIV was $40 and AE and Ultra were $15 upgrades and retail was a bit more.

3.3 million at $60. 1.9 at $40 = 5.2 million at $274 million
It said full game on wiki for the AE ($30?) so $33 million + 274 million = $307 million vs $294 million (RE6).

Not including Ultra or 3D edition. Math may be wrong, tbh, but I think SF did better.

this is also the pettiest debate i've been involved in, lol.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I wonder why S-E announced the PS4 version's existence so early.

Pre-orders probably were not setting their world on fire, because people assumed it was coming to the PS4/PS3 a little later (most assumes only 6 months). Announce it a whole year later, and hope you can get impatient people to bite since that pretty much kills the PS3 version.

 

[Purest 78]

Yeah, it's not like Ono has ever lied before or anything.

Sony's money is helping get this product out quicker (and as its financial situation goes - probably quite a bit earlier), not saving it from oblivion.

Wasn't there reports that capcom only had 50 million in assets last year? I'm not positive but I believe I read that. Bottom line is capcom is broke, they only publish remasters themselves. You truly believe if capcom had the money to publish SF, they would have taken a life exclusive deal for SFV?

 

[Synth]

He very clearly said he is ignoring platforms. Meaning Wii U, PS3 etc. You just misunderstood badly.

I was out but I was referring to the PS3 platform, which is equally as capable as the 360 to run that game if they build from the Tomb Raider reboot base, which worked better on PS3.

Nothing to do with pedantic but clearly just dropping one major platform when talking about "NOBODY" and "EVERYBODY" is conveniently ignoring aspects of this game.

I was out too, so only just got caught up.

Yea, I guess I fucked up reading your post. Sorry about that.

 

[jim2011]

My take :

Because everyone understood it was timed (except for some people with their fingers in their ears shouting 'lalalala i can't hear you') and assumed it was around 6 months.

They get to come out and say it's double that amount of time. I'm pretty sure MS greenlighted this announce.

I agree. It will actually encourage the hold outs to buy the xb1 version.

 

[ChaosZeroX]

Well. At least we will get it on PS4 eventually.

 

[Synth]

Wasn't there reports that capcom only had 50 million in assets last year? I'm not positive but I believe I read that. Bottom line is capcom is broke, they only publish remasters themselves. You truly believe if capcom had the money to publish SF, they would have taken a life exclusive deal for SFV?

Yes. because deals like that happen all the time. It's a pretty safe deal to make as well, because the core audience for the title will follow it to any platform.

Street Fighter V was getting made regardless (it's Street Fighter ffs), and the likely of it being a bit later doesn't mean much for an owner of the console it will now never release on. That like if Tomb Raider would release next year, but Xbox got it this year at the expense of their ever being a PS4 version.

 

[Spaceking]

I hope SE add something to the the Tomb Rider PS4 version to keep gamers interested.

One year is way too long.

 

[Lady Gaia]

The thing that baffles me is a publisher, as far as I know, have never announced a game's release on another platform until the exclusivity deal has passed.

Resident Evil 4 on GameCube had a PS2 port announced before launch despite timed exclusivity, but it's definitely a rare occurrence.

I wonder why S-E announced the PS4 version's existence so early.

Good question to which I can see several possible answers. They thought the one year delay was longer than most people assumed, so it would incentivize picking up the Xbox One version instead? Or the exclusivity contract guarantees a certain number of X1 sales so they don't care if they impact the launch, they're already focused on mending their reputation with PS4 owners?

 

[SmokedMeat]

Personally I like Ms approach because atleast everyone gets the game eventually (sorry WiiU)

I'm loving Dead Rising 3 and Titanfall on PS4.

 

[Conduit]

3.3 million at $60. 1.9 at $40 = 5.2 million at $274 million
It said full game on wiki for the AE ($30?) so $33 million + 274 million = $307 million vs $294 million (RE6).

Not including Ultra or 3D edition. Math may be wrong, tbh, but I think SF did better.

this is also the pettiest debate i've been involved in, lol.

You forgot to include taxes, marketing etc... Pretty sure total earnings is nowhere close like your math.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Yeah, it's not like Ono has ever lied before or anything.

Sony's money is helping get this product out quicker (and as its financial situation goes - probably quite a bit earlier), not saving it from oblivion.

So since you seem to know better than the developer about what budget he has, i'd like to hear more about your take on the situation.

Cause from where i'm standing, Capcom hasn't made a game without a publisher's backing, or F2P this whole gen so far. Unless its a remaster or low budget split release like RER2.

I don't think anyone is saying SF5 would never have come out, ever. But Sony did save the SF5 that Ono wanted to have made in the end that Capcom refused the budget on initially(that is without the nonsense Capcom seems to be pushing in their self made releases), as well as a much quicker timeframe.

I don't even know why SF comes up in every thread regarding Tomb Raider anyway, as they are obviously two different situations. Ono had to go to SCEA himself to get Capcom to agree to back the project, the deal between MS and SE was purely delaying other platforms for an already in development game with 'publishing rights' and other such nonsense.

Its the same kind of scummy practice as MS and EA going behind Respawn's back to make Titanfall a full exclusive without their knowing.

But i guess that "Sony too" nonsense is still around even 2 years later to make false equivalencies.

 

[Three]

If they wanted to shift consoles, there should be no last gen version at all, but I guess it doesn't matter cause just like with TF/FH2, they're going to act like the 360 version doesn't exist. I don't see why MS would pay to have a 360 version made but a PS3 version excluded from the PS4's launch. I'm assuming that it was never originally going to come out on last-gen consoles but it was part of the deal for them to port it over.

Link me, bruh. We know the 360 version was coming because there was a post on the Xbox website listing 360/XB1. People assumed the PS4 version was coming because we assume everything is coming to PS4, not that there was any actual evidence backing it. The only thing i've found were placeholder amazon listings before we knew it was even an exclusive. Not conclusive evidence in the slightest.

You're going back to what we discussed already. MS want to shift consoles but they also want to make money that's the whole point. You keep saying you dont see why but I'm giving you reasons. Telling SE to not make a 360 version would only stop themselves from making money. It would also make it more expensive to them to tell SE to stop making money. That's also why they make other games available on the 360. It's a large chunk of sales. Almost comparable or even higher than the XB1 in some cases. I've also said why I think a release on PS3 more than a year from now makes less sense.

That was one of many listings before anything official:

http://m.uk.ign.com/articles/2014/06/16/rise-of-the-tomb-raider-may-hit-ps3-and-xbox-360

So you're ignoring the evidence of several retailer listings for 360/PS3 before the exclusive deal announcement to concentrate on the evidence being when it was officially announced on the xbox site? Then discredit how we knew it was coming to PS4 without an official announcement saying well we knew it was coming to PS4 because everything always does? That doesn't sound any more concrete. There was evidence that the game was crossgen as the retailers suggested before anything more official came out it only made it more credible when it was officially announced months later, the retailer evidence pointed to a PS4 version before anything more official came out. The whole point is that we are looking for evidence of things not officially announced. If all you consider as credible is official announcements then there would be no need to look for evidence in the first place. Just take the companys word for it, there was no PS4 version until yesterday then.

 

[shinnn]

So since you seem to know better than the developer about what budget he has, i'd like to hear more about your take on the situation.

Cause from where i'm standing, Capcom hasn't made a game without a publisher's backing, or F2P this whole gen so far. Unless its a remaster or low budget split release like RER2.

I don't think anyone is saying SF5 would never have come out, ever. But Sony did save the SF5 that Ono wanted to have made in the end that Capcom refused the budget on initially(that is without the nonsense Capcom seems to be pushing in their self made releases), as well as a much quicker timeframe.

I don't even know why SF comes up in every thread regarding Tomb Raider anyway, as they are obviously two different situations. Ono had to go to SCEA himself to get Capcom to agree to back the project, the deal between MS and SE was purely delaying other platforms for an already in development game with 'publishing rights' and other such nonsense.

Its the same kind of scummy practice as MS and EA going behind Respawn's back to make Titanfall a full exclusive without their knowing.

But i guess that "Sony too" nonsense is still around even 2 years later to make false equivalencies.

There's a beautiful history that MS saved Titanfall too.. I guess you missed.

Or a beautiful history that MS helped the reborn of the TR franchise right back (2011?) when they showed the game in their conference. Since then they have a strong relationship bla bla bla

 

[Game4life]

Yes. because deals like that happen all the time. It's a pretty safe deal to make as well, because the core audience for the title will follow it to any platform.

Street Fighter V was getting made regardless (it's Street Fighter ffs), and the likely of it being a bit later doesn't mean much for an owner of the console it will now never release on. That like if Tomb Raider would release next year, but Xbox got it this year at the expense of their ever being a PS4 version.

What is a bit later? One year? Two years? Three years? End of generation? Since you seem to contradict Ono and know about the internal workings of the company some insights would be helpful.

On topic - Anyone who compares this to the SF5 deal is totally clueless. SF5 and Dead Rising 3 cannot be compared to this TR deal in any shape or form.

 

[DSN2K]

I presume there will be a Direct X 12 build to push this ?

 

[Synth]

What is a bit later? One year? Two years? Three years? End of generation? Since you seem to contradict Ono and know about the internal workings of the company some insights would be helpful.

I'm not contradicting Ono. Ono contradicts himself. He has said both that Street Fighter would appear on PS4 and XB1 (but not WiiU), and that due to the success of Street Fighter IV, a Street Fighter V wasn't a hard sell to those at the top (as opposed to Street Fighter IV coming off Street Fighter III).

Street Fighter is one of Capcom's most bankable options. It's one of the very last things Capcom of today would choose to forego... having a shit cashflow would probably make just a new Street Fighter a priority if anything (think Sega and Sonic). It's not F-Zero...

I don't think estimating the delay is all that important tbh (tho 2018 was spitballed by Capcom themselves). Any year it would have released is earlier than it'll hit Xbox now. SF4 hit in 2008, and has lasted throughout the rest of that gen (and crept slightly into this one). The chances of there even being a SF6 this gen for Xbox owners to wait it out for doesn't even look good.

 

[Conduit]

I'm not contradicting Ono. Ono contradicts himself. He has said both that Street Fighter would appear on PS4 and XB1 (but not WiiU), and that due to the success of Street Fighter IV, a Street Fighter V wasn't a hard sell to those at the top (as opposed to Street Fighter IV coming off Street Fighter III).

From Gamespot article ( 2 years ago ) :

Street Fighter producer Yoshinori Ono has spoken out to say that Street Fighter V is not in development due to budgetary issues.
Ono also confirmed that Ultra Street Fighter IV is in development only for the Xbox 360, PlayStation 3, and PC. No plans are in place right now to bring the update to next-generation consoles (Xbox One, PlayStation 4, Wii U), he said.

He never said that. If you have another link, good then.