Support NeoGAF

[Huw_Dawson]

QA tester perspective:

Stress is very hard to test.

Capcom should probably have staggered beta entry over a couple of days to monitor load.

Ultimately the fact that their server fell over in July 2015 will have been long forgotten in March 2016.

 

[Dahbomb]

Ultimately though if Capcom is smart and competent, this experience should result in a better overall SFV. This is still far better than just testing servers/netcode almost exclusively in Japan and then being surprised that the netcode isn't up to snuff out of Japan.

I think the real mistake is that Capcom shouldn't have made the beta so readily available if they didn't have full confidence in meeting server demands. I may complain about the beta but I am still going to be back for the future betas but other people might not be willing to give it a second chance and some might have already canceled pre-orders.

 

[Chavelo]

It should be pointed out that D3 worked fine in the beta but was unplayable for days when it actually launched. So this SFV beta might be pretty bad now but it can actually be WORSE on launch date due to even more people playing it.

It can also be BETTER when it comes out, too. It can go either way, there's no way to tell right now, especially when we are MONTHS away from the release. :S

 

[Cosmo Clock 21]

I feel like this happens with almost every game that at least by this point somebody would have caught on and prepared for it.

I mean, isn't that what these tests are for? "We think we set up our matchmaking servers to handle extreme server load better than last time but we don't know how well it will turn out until it actually happens ". I don't think it's wise to just copy paste the previous working matchmaking code because a) there will come a time when that is no longer sufficient and b) there's no guarantee things will with the same the second time around anyways, because computers.

 

[enzo_gt]

I think part of the reason they didn't stagger the beta launch is to simulate as large of a load as possible (for at least 1 region coming online at their midnight at once).

 

[vulva]

I feel like this happens with almost every game that at least by this point somebody would have caught on and prepared for it.

Its almost like they ran a beta super early to try to avoid the issue on launch

 

[Lulubop]

Did DSP get to play tho?

 

[Huw_Dawson]

I think part of the reason they didn't stagger the beta launch is to simulate as large of a load as possible (for at least 1 region coming online at their midnight at once).

You traditionally try and break your server at the END of your beta, not the start.

I think there's a formerly over-optimistic server engineer somewhere in Japan regretting their life choices right now.

 

[Astarte]

Did DSP get to play tho?

According to this 3 hour obnoxious stream no

 

[BadWolf]

Better the big issues occur now rather than later, we don't need another Driveclub on our hands.

 

[Numb]

According to this 3 hour obnoxious stream no

Bad enough to be entertaining?

 

[irfaanator]

Its almost like they ran a beta super early to try to avoid the issue on launch

still doesnt make it any better that this one got scrapped to some later date that they probably dont know yet. And yea obviously it's better for launch, but I'm just looking at the beta seperately. I came into this with the expectation to at least play a bit. At least I get to laugh at combofiend saying that the scheduled maintenance was to cool down the ps4, when all my ps4 did was get hot from looking at the title screen for so long

 

[Dahbomb]

As much as I shit on Destiny's game design choices, I was actually surprised at how stable the game's launch was. And A LOT of people were playing that game day 1 and it's a fully online game as well. The beta was pretty solid too.

 

[Huw_Dawson]

Bad enough to be entertaining?

You either like DSP or don't... but I'd advise watching the Infiltration ft1000 MM vs the any button instead.

 

[Astarte]

Bad enough to be entertaining?

Just bad lol

 

[MikeBreezy92]

Capcom is really living up to the stereotype of adding basic features five years after their competition

I mean you got it, why complain about them just now doing it?

 

[Lostconfused]

Its almost like they ran a beta super early to try to avoid the issue on launch

They are not going to avoid this issue on launch. Hopefully there will be training mode and offline versus play on launch.

 

[BumblebeeCody]

I feel like this happens with almost every game that at least by this point somebody would have caught on and prepared for it.

Trust me on this, you can never prepare for what will happen on launch. You can the best server maintenance guys ever with a great programming team and still completely have a terrible launch. It's the worst feeling knowing that it failed on day 1 or at an early point regardless of all your tests. Even on game development there is not way to simulate 1million+ people figuratively "DDoSing" to play your game. I've done testing for games with online multiplayer nearly 2 years before they came out(obviously you have to take my word on it since NDA and stuff), but you'd be surprised by how early these games are actually tested. It wouldn't surprise me if SFV was already being tested both internally 9 months ago(at least).
In SFV case, this game is still so early on in development that they did say there would be another 2 more upcoming betas. The first is always the worst.

For one Randy is the public face of the studio and is willingly putting himself out there.

You also need to separate development from marketing. Because despite whatever development goals at play, this is part of Sony marketing campaign.

I would be willing to Randy is putting himself on the brunt of the gamer backlash so that his team don't get fucked over. Any good CEO is like the captain of a ship. Don't get me wrong, what they did with AC:M was fucking disgusting but it doesn't warrant the response it got. Hems being ambiguous with his answers for a reason.

According to this 3 hour obnoxious stream no

 

[enzo_gt]

You traditionally try and break your server at the END of your beta, not the start.

I think there's a formerly over-optimistic server engineer somewhere in Japan regretting their life choices right now.

How does that work exactly?

I assume you'd get the most players possible at the start as opposed to the end. Or is it not a connections thing?

 

[vulva]

^^staggered access to ease the load and better define breakpoints

They are not going to avoid this issue on launch. Hopefully there will be training mode and offline versus play on launch.

O ok

 

[notworksafe]

This beta just reminded me of FFXIV's first beta. You couldn't barely get in and once you did nothing worked anyway. At least SFV let you mess around in training mode.

 

[direct_quote]

They are not going to avoid this issue on launch. Hopefully there will be training mode and offline versus play on launch.

What....

 

[fader]

They are not going to avoid this issue on launch. Hopefully there will be training mode and offline versus play on launch.

well. obviously.

This is a online beta test so the beta is online only. off course the retail will allow for offline features.

 

[enzo_gt]

It's weird seeing people in the other thread thinking it might be always online, but I do wonder how they'll handle the in game economy offline. It's good that premium currency is a separate thing, but it would suck if it's like SCV local matches which don't earn you experience (or money, in this case). How does KI handle this to prevent abuse?

 

[Marz]

Man Bison looks way cooler in V than IV, looking all evil, psycho powers n shit.

 

[BumblebeeCody]

It's weird seeing people in the other thread thinking it might be always online, but I do wonder how they'll handle the in game economy offline. It's good that premium currency is a separate thing, but it would suck if it's like SCV local matches which don't earn you experience (or money, in this case). How does KI handle this to prevent abuse?

Level progression. You have a GamerTag/Profile that you level up over your use of play. Basically if you can get to level 40, you then unlock Sadira hat costume thing. You earn exp via playing the game normally. If you can't be arsed to do any of that you can buy it straight out from the store(think Time Saver DLC). Also playing offline (local match and/or console not connected to the Internet) still gives you profile exp since the game wasn't design around currency unlike SFV.
Edit: KI currency is an Iron Galaxy(Season 2)thing. Double Helix(Season 1)never had currency.

 

[StriKeVillain]

Did anyone wind up getting sick from Evo? Twitter has been silent with evola and I haven't seen any posts here of post-evo sickness.

 

[irfaanator]

Did anyone wind up getting sick from Evo? Twitter has been silent with evola and I haven't seen any posts here of post-evo sickness.

I've been fine

 

[Pure_Phazon]

I don't think anything offline besides maybe beating story or arcade will earn you fight money, and it'll probably be a miniscule amount compared to winning online ranked matches.

 

[Kalamari]

Maybe it will be like Xrd where you have to play arcade or story mode in order to earn currency.

 

[Master Milk]

Did anyone wind up getting sick from Evo? Twitter has been silent with evola and I haven't seen any posts here of post-evo sickness.

i got bodied on saturday, been fighting it all week, just started feeling better today. will probably be fine by tomorrow

 

[Skab]

I'm digging the SF5 training stage music.

 

[Lostconfused]

What....

Saying "but the launch" isn't some magic salve that makes everything that's happening now fine.

There might not be even any tangible benefits at launch despite or because of whatever happened now.

The online could function just as well as it does now and it would be less of a problem.

 

[SixMachine]

i got bodied on saturday, been fighting it all week, just started feeling better today. will probably be fine by tomorrow

You might have caught something from the smash 4 quarters and not eating that day lol.

Did anyone wind up getting sick from Evo? Twitter has been silent with evola and I haven't seen any posts here of post-evo sickness.

Germ free. I'm surprised since I was walking around the strip 3 days prior to Evo. I'm also surprised I didn't get any sinuses or sore throat because of all the smoking people do in casinos and the ecigs during the pools didn't help.

 

[Professor Beef]

Dahbomb is like Drax from GOTG. He's completely literal when it comes to the English language, and doesn't get sarcasm or anything that deviates from a definition.

Did anyone wind up getting sick from Evo? Twitter has been silent with evola and I haven't seen any posts here of post-evo sickness.

I noticed more people fistbumping after matches rather than shaking hands. Maybe that helped? I'm no people doctor, after all.

 

[Nyoro SF]

I'd much rather have everything crash and burn almost a year before release than on release.

Maybe this is easier for me to say because I don't own a PS4 yet.

 

[Rhapsody]

Did SFIV training mode do anything worth mentioning? i guess it had CPU record and input display...

Nothing too much. It was great for an SF/Capcom game, but didn't excel at anything else before it.
Everytime I go back to it, I hate using its training mode features. At least it has save states now...

 

[Parallax Scroll]

SF5 beta should have used The Cloud imo, that would solve this

 

[QisTopTier]

Not even mad.

Spoiler

Is enjoying bbcpe

 

[Beckx]

I don't get it, are you saying they shouldn't have tried to test massive userloads prior to release?

they should probably take down the PSN ad offering immediate beta access in connection with a pre-order that's paid immediately and non-refundable.

And maybe run it like a free beta unconnected to a sales initiative.

 

[Lostconfused]

Not even mad.

Spoiler

Is enjoying bbcpe

BB and Xrd player on gaf were at least getting games in yesterday, lol. Probably the most useful thing to come out of this beta.

Well that and maybe Rising Thunder will now look a bit better and comparisons will be kinder to them. If they don't fuck up that is.

 

[Skab]

they should probably take down the PSN ad offering immediate beta access in connection with a pre-order that's paid immediately and non-refundable.

And maybe run it like a free beta unconnected to a sales initiative.

How would letting more people in be better?

 

[Tripon]

Yung Art is in the middle of his own harem situation. LMAO.

Edit: I won't say too much except to check out /r/kappa and look up the near 300 comment post (at this time).

 

[Beckx]

How would letting more people in be better?

That's not how you do it.

You let everyone sign up and admit people in waves if you have too many people.

That's if your main goal is to actually test and improve infrastructure, though.

 

[Professor Beef]

That's not how you do it.

You let everyone sign up and admit people in waves if you have too many people.

That's if your main goal is to actually test and improve infrastructure, though.

Let me grab my tin foil hat.

 

[SolarKnight]

Dahbomb is like Drax from GOTG. He's completely literal when it comes to the English language, and doesn't get sarcasm or anything that deviates from a definition.

I noticed more people fistbumping after matches rather than shaking hands. Maybe that helped? I'm no people doctor, after all.

Yeah, I barely got any handshakes this year which sounds like a neat idea if it does actually help. It did make for a couple of awkward moments though when both of us weren't going for the same thing lol

Still I may or may not be coming down with something rn so who knows

 

[Clawww]

fist bumping literally makes a huge difference. honestly, any effort towards maintain hand hygiene pays off big time.

 

[mbpm1]

Patch corrupted certain save files, game would not boot on 360 as it would freeze on a black screen after the 360 logo, effectively making your disc and/or save useless. People could not play their game period. Gigantic thread about it on their forum and all, but got little to no media coverage so it was kind of swept under the rug/nobody heard about it and then it was fixed like 9 months later.

Wow. Glad I'm PC again

 

[irfaanator]

i think fist bumps are whack. I'd rather get sick and get a handshake than an awkward fistbump

 

[notworksafe]

I made sure to sneeze in my hand right before I met anyone at EVO. You're welcome.