This. Though it's getting dangerously close to Uncharted time.
Rise of the Tomb Raider coming to PC Early 2016. PS4 Holiday 2016
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This. Though it's getting dangerously close to Uncharted time.
vpance
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Insider insight on preorders numbers could be pretty interesting.
I think they dun goofed on this whole thing and probably hurt the franchise irreparably. At least until the next reboot next gen.
Ghost Slayer
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You missed his point
We already know Respawn didn't know another deal that MS made with EA "lifetime exclusive" a.k.a block other platforms exclude PC.
And since when showing the game in a conference = helping the reborn of the TR franchise? You count marketing deal by revealing a game a beautiful history?
DeepEnigma
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Nothing sure screams, lets shift the focus off this bullshit 1 year delay like bringing in SFV as if it was the same scenario. Fan damage control at it's finest.
Nothing, just seems like damage control.
One is exclusive and one is not? Actually neither are exclusive.
Ghost Slayer
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Fixed.
Infernostew
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PJSalt
Edit: bitters were trying to say this deal with MS was better for gamers because it's coming to all consoles and SFV is a scummy deal blah blah blah
Primethius
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Think the hint is to get back a bit more on-topic.
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As kagari says, bringing up SF in regards to Tomb Raider is ridiculous, so this is my last post on it.
The titanfall financial situation only gave them timed exclusivity, to help them bring out the game Respawn said. They didn't intend for the game to be a full exclusive, and were disappointed(maybe more then that) to realize their plans were dashed by EA and MS's deal without their knowing.
http://venturebeat.com/2013/10/29/t...sivity-deal-we-will-make-playstation-4-games/
And TR was in the process of being made to begin with, that MS stuff is all marketing PR.This is why i've become so disillusioned with MS in recent years, their game division has become much less about games. Atleast when Allard and company were at the helm they atleast made an effort.
I like how you take his statements out of context.
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2014/...-and-playstation-4-some-point-no-plans-wii-u/
He never said it would come to Xbox 1.
And as for the "it was an easy sell" if you actually read the full interview, it was only after the deal with Sony that Ono's pitch had the desired effect on Capcom higher ups. Otherwise he could not get funding. This is a fact.
As kagari says, bringing up SF in regards to Tomb Raider is ridiculous, so this is my last post on it.
The titanfall financial situation only gave them timed exclusivity, to help them bring out the game Respawn said. They didn't intend for the game to be a full exclusive, and were disappointed(maybe more then that) to realize their plans were dashed by EA and MS's deal without their knowing.
http://venturebeat.com/2013/10/29/t...sivity-deal-we-will-make-playstation-4-games/
And TR was in the process of being made to begin with, that MS stuff is all marketing PR.This is why i've become so disillusioned with MS in recent years, their game division has become much less about games. Atleast when Allard and company were at the helm they atleast made an effort.
I like how you take his statements out of context.
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2014/...-and-playstation-4-some-point-no-plans-wii-u/
He never said it would come to Xbox 1.
And as for the "it was an easy sell" if you actually read the full interview, it was only after the deal with Sony that Ono's pitch had the desired effect on Capcom higher ups. Otherwise he could not get funding. This is a fact.
DeepEnigma
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Perfect post to end it too. All the damage control spin just got diffused.
I personally think this will hurt them with the PS4 delay (and no PS3 version) more so than people think. Not just in units sold, but revenue. MSFT must have paid a pretty penny to make up for some of the profit gap of releasing a game a year later (which we all know won't be above $40).
08/13 - No Street Fighter V until 2018 - Capcom producer
08/14 - PS4/Xbox One will get Street Fighter, but no plans for Wii U
10/14 - Capcom won't greenlight sequels unless previous installments sell 2 million? (Street Fighter IV sold over 8 million)
01/15 - Polygon Dev Interview: "This time, he didn't have to dance around the idea. Thanks to the ongoing popularity of Street Fighter 4 and fighting games in general, Capcom executives had enough evidence from the market."
All these point to is that SFV would probably not be releasing in 2016. None of them indicate that SFV was not happening.
I'm not taking his statements out of context. He was answering questions. Asked about XB1 and PS4 he replied with "at some point", and asked about WiiU he said "no plans". How many ways can you read that?
The SFV stuff doesn't bother me at all. I just don't understand why everyone's so certain that it was simply never happening otherwise. Fact? I assume that means you have something that says without Sony's funding Street Fighter was doomed, or at least wasn't going to happen at all this gen? Because everything I've seen suggests against that.
But yea... this is a discussion for a different topic I guess... it's not the same situation as Tomb Raider (which is evident by Tomb Raider actually having a PS4 release). I was just responding to Purest 78's post that seemed certain a Street Fighter game wasn't happening any other way.
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SE already made their money on Rise of the Tomb Raider via Microsoft paying for the game to be a timed exclusive. As long as SE doesn't screw up the PC version, they should make some money on that version and even at $60, the PS4 version will basically just be a bonus. I definitely believe that SE received enough money to where they already made a profit and the game hasn't even been released yet. Otherwise, why take the money if it wasn't truly worth taking?
In short, SE is the big winner while Microsoft could end up being the big loser money wise. I can also see Crystal Dynamics end up on the losing side because if the game doesn't sell on Xbox One, you know that they will be blamed and take the fall regardless if the game is good or not.
In the middle are the gamers. If you have an Xbox One, you get the game in a few months. If you have a PS4, you get the game in over a year. If you game on PC, you'll get it in six to eight months from now.
After reading a lot of the posts and seeing Street Fighter V get included in this discussion, there's an easy solution - own both PS4 and Xbox One. Problem solved.
Complaining about timed exclusive games, full exclusives, console exclusives or even timed content exclusive is just a waste of time. As long as Microsoft an Sony are willing to pay for any of that, it will continue for years and years to come. It's not going to change.
In short, SE is the big winner while Microsoft could end up being the big loser money wise. I can also see Crystal Dynamics end up on the losing side because if the game doesn't sell on Xbox One, you know that they will be blamed and take the fall regardless if the game is good or not.
In the middle are the gamers. If you have an Xbox One, you get the game in a few months. If you have a PS4, you get the game in over a year. If you game on PC, you'll get it in six to eight months from now.
After reading a lot of the posts and seeing Street Fighter V get included in this discussion, there's an easy solution - own both PS4 and Xbox One. Problem solved.
Complaining about timed exclusive games, full exclusives, console exclusives or even timed content exclusive is just a waste of time. As long as Microsoft an Sony are willing to pay for any of that, it will continue for years and years to come. It's not going to change.
What's the difference? MS saved the game, and wanted the game exclusive for them. Same for SF V.
Maybe there's not so much fanboys trying to make Ono an evil man like those twitters on the Zampella profile (Geez so much drama), but I'm pretty sure Ono would want their game on Xbox too.
Some posts on the Zampella twitter:
- "So you want us to wait? it's ok plenty of other loyal devs to support."
- "keep your games aboard the crap XBone. We don't need your fucking consolation games. F your studio"
- "its all about the money, you don't care about the players, of course it will be a complete MONEY exclusive"
- "Lies. Respawn is owned by the big EA now, only looking for $$$ not about making games. Shame."
- "So much for being independent eh. Respawn are just anothe Bioware to me now. Talk about an anti-consumer move"
Other day I entered the Tomb Raider facebook page and was the same thing. For curiosity, got to the SF page and was everything ok, maybe just one or two post whinning about the exclusivity. No doubt that Sony fans are really invested in those things.
Must be really hard to make exclusives for MS, at least to deal with the internet rage.
DeepEnigma
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*Looks up*
Nothing at all
how on earth would i have access to those numbers? come on now.
That's according to an Amazon listing that offers the game for pre-order on PS4, PS3, Xbox 360 and PC, alongside the previously confirmed Xbox One version.
All is according to just the amazon listing. We're going in circles. You keep putting faith in Amazon listings before we even had concrete announcements of any consoles. It makes sense for them to have placeholders for all systems because they didn't know what systems it would appear on.
and we disagree on the viability of having a 360 version. I would be curious to see the split between XB1/360 on TF and FH2.
also the people saying this is damage control by saying this deal is better than the SF one are absolutely fanboys. you're kidding yourself if you think SFV was never getting made and you're kidding yourself if you think this is worse for general consumers than a complete exclusive. But if we're done talking about, we can revert back to people being happy (or upset) about the length of this deal.
I'd say the "Sony too" thing applies more towards the way they lock up exclusivity for DLC than Street Fighter 5 so both companies go about these things in different ways.
Scorpion Soldier
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Considering the fact that they're aiming that release only at PC I don't think they should be too worried. It would've been problematic if the PS4 version had the same time frame though.
If that gets announced, I'm so into it.
On a more serious note, I'm really glad the publisher is letting this info out. The ambiguity in the window after the first announcement wasn't doing anyone any favors. It's a good thing, and the staggered release means more resources for optimization and playtesting on each individual platform.
LicenceToK1ll
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Will pick this up in a steamsale after i finish uncharted 4 on ps4. Fuck square
Chris Metal
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JayhawkerStL
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I always thought of it as a PC game. Then Sony bought up the franchise to prevent Dreamcast and Nintendo owners from having access to it.
For me, I played it on the PC, and then really enjoyed Legend and Underworld on the 360. I didn't get to play on TR games on my GameCube and Dreamcast, not because Sony care more about the franchise, but because they wanted to use it increase their bottom line.
Now, considering the fact that this is only a timed exclusive, explain to me how this is worse than what Sony did that somehow convinced you that this is a Sony franchise?
Well yes we are going in circles but I keep saying that it wasn't just amazon who had the listing and that listing confirmed all other versions including PS4,PC and 360 which we did not know about at the time. You can discredit that and say it's not concrete but I don't see how you believe that anything unofficially is not evidence when the entire point is that we're trying to find out about an unannounced perhaps now cancelled game. I'm also giving viable reasons to its crossgen nature but you simply keep repeating that you don't know why they would allow a 360 version. Splits on Titanfall are irrelevant because this isn't trying to compete with the other as long as the crossgen game is viable and profitable but for some information when Titanfall released on 360 it went to no 1 and had a
71% xbox 360
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27% XB1 split.
The 8-Bit Raider
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The following is pure speculation but I think PS4 owners in particular are going to greatly benefit from MS and SE arrangement in the long run...allow me to explain:
The SE and MS deal occured a while ago and may have been made before It was known that the PS4 would be the market leader with almost double the install base as the Xbox One.
Now, did SE benefit greatly from the deal? They may or may not have, we don't know the specifics but what we do know is that TR fans are not very happy with the agreement and that there may be a great loss in potential profit by delaying the PS4 versions release date.
I believe that SE will now try to go the extra mile to cater to the PS4 user base as a result of this decision. There has already been some recent examples of SE showing some favor to Sony and I believe these instances will increase as time goes on.
Again, this is all speculation and may not mean anything but its worth a thought.
The SE and MS deal occured a while ago and may have been made before It was known that the PS4 would be the market leader with almost double the install base as the Xbox One.
Now, did SE benefit greatly from the deal? They may or may not have, we don't know the specifics but what we do know is that TR fans are not very happy with the agreement and that there may be a great loss in potential profit by delaying the PS4 versions release date.
I believe that SE will now try to go the extra mile to cater to the PS4 user base as a result of this decision. There has already been some recent examples of SE showing some favor to Sony and I believe these instances will increase as time goes on.
Again, this is all speculation and may not mean anything but its worth a thought.
Ps1 generation says hi.
Think we had some insider confirmation that this was a last minute deal so square made the deal knowing how well ps4 was doing . But yeah extra content point is still valid .
brickarts295
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XD Perfect, I love Sully's expression. Should have added the entrance with a "Hey what's going on... shit"
The 8-Bit Raider
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Question is how last minute and how long ago. I remember that the announcment that it was "Exclusive on the Xbox for the 2015 Holiday" to be sometime ago.
AKA the first time Tomb Raider exclusivity was bought (at the expense of the Saturn).
OrbitalBeard
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That announcement was made at Gamescom last August.
Whenever Sony buys exclusivity, there's always a very altruistic reason behind it. They care.
According to Kagari the deal was made after MS lost the June NPD, then about two onths later it was announced at Gamescom.
The 8-Bit Raider
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That was my assumption. I wonder if they had any idea that the difference between user base would be as high as it is now at the time of the agreement.
The 8-Bit Raider
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The extra content would be a no brainer at this point. I believe SE's future projects will show more favor (exclusives,etc)to the PS4 as a result of this agreement.
JayhawkerStL
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You mean when it debuted on the PC and Sega Saturn at the same time. Yeah, I was a PC gamer at the time.
That still doesn't get around that fact that Microsoft is doing lighter version of what sony did when TR was on the PS2. It's all business. And it seems to have worked out pretty well for sony using that "shit" tactics.
I don't think exclusive titles are good for gamers. But there have been exclusive titles and competition since the Atari 2600. I have no idea what this is some sort of a last straw moment.
SEGAvangelist
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Yeah. If anything, we should be comparing it to FFVII Remake. First on PS4 is pretty vague much like the way Rise of the Tomb Raider has been handled.
Not even close, the ROTR wording made it sound like a full on Xbox exclusive (and several sites reported it as such), there was no vagueness about that, it was straight up misdirection.
It will likely be similar to the original FF7 release:
1997 PS1
1998 PC
I recall Kagari saying the situation is similar to that of SF5, so it may never come to XB1.
PC version will probably be 1 year after the PS4 release.
JuanLatino
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iirc Verendus on the other hand indicated, that it will come to Xbox One aswell
OrbitalBeard
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It's a battle of the insiders!
link? haven't seen that one.
SEGAvangelist
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Maybe that's how it turns out, but we don't know for sure. Kagari was correct about the timed exclusivity but way off on the amount of time. Things change and that could be why, but the same could be said for FFVII Remake. I think the moral of the story is that we don't know what the hell SE is going to do, and they (or the publishers like MS and Sony) don't want us to know. Insider information becomes a bit useless especially if we are to assume that things can change on a dime.
I have no problem with exclusives and I'm even okayish on timed exclusivity . The point I was making is the vast majority of tr fans were ps gamers going back to the ps1 gen that's why the fan base is mainly still there . PC/Saturn were non factors in that gen.
Kenzodielocke
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Do you have a link of his post implying that ?
Ditto, I've read the kagari quote but didn't know about the Verendus one, my personally guess would have been ps4 followed by pc 6 or 12 months later.
Though I wouldn't be surprised if the xb1 decision would be made off the back of ffxv sales.
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