Hulk Hogan sex tape included racist tirade - WWE cuts all ties

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mgs2master2 said:
will this suddently go up in value? because
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so glad no one was interested when i was trying to sell it. now it is one of the last things from WWE he did
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You should make a thread on a racist forum trying to sell it.

Throw in a confederate flag.
 
foxtrot3d said:
People past their 50's rarely ever change their beliefs and 8 years ago isn't that long ago. When your throwing out deep seething racial hatred and epithets and saying explicitly "I am a racist," I'm not going to exactly buy that you've had a sudden change right after it's discovered you harbor said feelings.
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There's no point in making this kind of speculation, his apology was hollow enough to make it clear he hasn't changed. He thinks, like all celebrities who do stuff like this, that people are going to believe that he actually has always believed the exact opposite of what he's on record as saying.

If I, for some reason, got called up for some racist stuff I said in the past I would own up to it and say yes, I was an idiot back then. Sorry, I have learned better since. That isn't what Hogan said, or what any celebrities ever say.
 
Game4life said:
Sorry Hogan. This guy will always be the GOAT now. The argument is over.

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They'll tell you he's a wife-beater. In any event, he already had surpassed him when he singlehandedly saved the company from the man who made it as big as it ever got. Had Austin not won KOTR96 there would be no WWE blacklisting Ho Kogan here.
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Damn, didn't he just appear in a segment with Snoop Dogg not too long ago (I think it was at Mania)? I wonder if Snoop is still marking out.
 
Freedom = $1.05 said:
totally agree

well why do you suppose that?
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Wtf?

Do you know what benefit of the doubt even means? Through a lack of evidence and history you decide to believe them and trust in them instead of doubting them.

This is evidence, this is history.

There is no doubt that Hulk Hogan is a racist. He even admits that himself.
 
foxtrot3d said:
Because past behavior is an indicator of future behavior...
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but that's a logic that isn't sound. it makes it more possible and/or likely but it doesn't guarantee anything.
ElectricBlanketFire said:
Are you trolling or being purposely obtuse? If I have unequivocal evidence that someone is a racist, why would I give that person the benefit of the doubt that they've changed?
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Do you have unequivocal evidence to point to his or any other person's ability to change? Because you're assuming that people are incapable of a certain degree of change. Why is that assumption fine by you?

Wavebossa said:
Wtf?

Do you know what benefit of the doubt even means? Through a lack of evidence and history you decide to believe them and trust in them instead of doubting them.

This is evidence, this is history.

There is no doubt that Hulk Hogan is a racist. He even admits that himself.
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The benefit was going to the fact that his apology might be earnest and sincere, not that he wasn't or isn't a racist. Both remain a possibility. It just seems folks are unshakable on the possibility that a person is capable of shifting their personal views over the span of a decade. I'm not saying they're wrong regarding HH but I do find it unsettling that so many posters are certain that it's not possible.
 
Freedom = $1.05 said:
but that's a logic that isn't sound. it makes it more possible and/or likely but it doesn't guarantee anything.


Do you have unequivocal evidence to point to his or any other person's ability to change? Because you're assuming that people are incapable of a certain degree of change. Why is that assumption fine by you?
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Yeah, you clearly have no idea what benefit of the doubt means.
 
Freedom = $1.05 said:
but that's a logic that isn't sound. it makes it more possible and/or likely but it doesn't guarantee anything.


Do you have unequivocal evidence to point to his or any other person's ability to change? Because you're assuming that people are incapable of a certain degree of change. Why is that assumption fine by you?
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I'm literally done with you, clearly you don't understand what the term "benefit of the doubt" means. When you have clear evidence of a person's behavior from the past they no longer have the benefit of the doubt, rather the burden is upon them to prove that their current behavior is not consistent with their past behavior.
 
I see they got around to scrubbing him from the wwe.com search results.

I wonder if they'll go so far as to give his stuff the Benoit disclaimer now.
 
Freedom = $1.05 said:
The benefit was going to the fact that his apology might be earnest and sincere, not that he wasn't or isn't a racist. Both remain a possibility. It just seems folks are unshakable on the possibility that a person is capable of shifting their personal views over the span of a decade. I'm not saying they're wrong regarding HH but I do find it unsettling that so many posters are certain that it's not possible.
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BRUH.

No one is saying it is impossible for him to change. We are saying he no longer has the benefit of us believing it until he proves it.

There is no doubt anymore.

EDIT: removed personal insult. Sorry no need for that.
 
Freedom = $1.05 said:
but that's a logic that isn't sound. it makes it more possible and/or likely but it doesn't guarantee anything.


Do you have unequivocal evidence to point to his or any other person's ability to change? Because you're assuming that people are incapable of a certain degree of change. Why is that assumption fine by you?


The benefit was going to the fact that his apology might be earnest and sincere, not that he wasn't or isn't a racist. Both remain a possibility. It just seems folks are unshakable on the possibility that a person is capable of shifting their personal views over the span of a decade. I'm not saying they're wrong regarding HH but I do find it unsettling that so many posters are certain that it's not possible.
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That's what happens when you take away the benefit of the doubt.

Done arguing.
 
CornBurrito said:
I'm not going to watch the sex tape, but why exactly would a sex tape of all things have a racist rant?
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You serious? Porn is undoubtedly the most racist corner of the entertainment industry.

SummitAve said:
Wasn't he just asking Heyman what the deal was with Jews and diamonds?
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Yeah... that was really awkward. Heyman quickly goes into the Jew-commentary in every interview he's in too, and I guess "he's a jew, so it's okay!" but it's still uncomfortable as all hell. Austin's was just like "uhhhmmmm..." he's trying to sound off-the-cuff riffing with him, but it just sounds so odd, even Heyman was like "uhh, how can I save this..?"
 
How are they going to Benoit him? I'm really curious to see how they're going to completely disacknowledge their arguably biggest star.

Also damn that rumor wasn't kidding, he's not coming back from this.
 
Dammit! Not Hulk. Fuck. It's like you can't even have childhood heroes anymore. You'll never take my Suburban Commando though.

At least I still have The Rock... right?

And Captain Lou.
Cant go on racist tirades when you're dead, right?
 
Game4life said:
I did not know that at all. Do you have a link by any chance?
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It was in the Austin / Heyman podcast that Austin does, early on too... first 10mins or so. Heyman mentions he's a Jew in wrestling, or what have you (Heyman does this all the time) and Austin is like "Ya... what about that?" And he goes down a brief Jews/owning things/diamonds/etc, and Heyman plays it off mostly. But, Heyman aaaalways mentions Jewry in his interviews (it's very annoying), so I dunno if maybe that's why Austin went into it with him. It was pretty awkward and I was like "oh.. jesus.."

I doubt Austin would ask Goldberg the same question.
 
SummitAve said:
Wasn't he just asking Heyman what the deal was with Jews and diamonds?
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Eh, I wouldn't call that racist. Jews have a pretty dominant role in diamond trade, just inquiring why isn't racist. At worst its probably in poor taste to ask someone that has no connection to the trade himself.
 
Freedom, after this leak, why does Hogan deserve the benefit of the doubt? The benefit of the doubt isn't something you are entitled to. It is a privilege one has when they have yet to give you reason to doubt them. This leak gives us reason to doubt Hogan. The burden is on Hogan to demonstrate that those views are not his today. The very first step of that is acknowledging that his views in the past were racist. He didn't even do that.
 
Freedom = $1.05 said:
yes, it proves he was a piece of shit nearly a decade ago. It proves that beyond a shadow of a doubt. and that more than likely he had those beliefs up to that very point.

What does it prove in 2015?
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That he stopped at that very point and immediately made the switch to being a more inclusive, better person. Seriously, how old are you?
 
Wow Hogan's a racist huh? Crazy.

Double wow at people being angry that others are calling him racist. There was someone on this site that said being called/labeled as racist is worse than racism. Seems to be true.
 
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