Street Fighter V Roster Discussion: P-P-P-P-PATTERN BREAKER

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KAL2006 said:
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As you can see there are a lot of SF2 characters to get the casuals in but you have some missing like Honda and Blanka as well as the remaining Super and Shadaloo characters which will be DLC. Then you also have fan favourites like Alex which I reckon will be DLC.

If they have a new boss or its Urien replace Karin with Urien in my list.
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Why are you making the roster 18? Capcom clearly said 16, and not "16 plus two secret characters". Just 16.

hooijdonk17 said:
No Balrog oe Dudley? I doubt it.. If that were the roater Ryu and Alex for me.
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You are going to be disappointed.

Shadoken said:
Dont you think its a a little grappler heavy? 3 of them? + possible pure grappler.

I really think we might need a Dhalsim character and a Zangief style true grappler. However one of the new characters might do that.

I still dont think we will get ALL 3 i.e Mika,Karin,Urien AND Alex in the initial roster. Seems just a bit unlikely given they are all fan requested, they are perfect for DLC material. One or two of them might move to the first wave of DLC.
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Three very different grapplers. Alex is more like Gief. Mika will be more like El Fuerte. Birdie has zoning tech.

I know people keep bringing Dhalsim and Gief up, but this game needs to shake things up. 8 repeat characters means only half the roster is new to the public.

We don't know how the three new characters play. One might take the Dhalsim role on.

Ushay said:
Gouken isn't making a comeback is he? :( He was such an entertaining character to play with, wins felt very satisfying with him.
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Gouken is dead at this point in the story.

Urien shares his fireball game.
 
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The green box is clearly Street Fighter 4 returning characters so I think the three characters we'll see come back from 4 are;

Juri
Guile
Abel

The purple box is also clearly newcomers so there's no point in speculating there. The blue box to me is returning characters not in 4, mainly Alpha and 3. IMO Nash and Birdie fill the Alpha quota (I know Birdie's from 1 technically but as long as he has his Alpha appearance I'll always consider him an Alpha character) so to me the other two spaces should go to SF3 characters and Alex and Urien make the most sense both story wise and popularity wise. R.Mika and Karin I think will be reserved for DLC. So my full prediction list is;

Ryu
Chun-Li
Nash
M.Bison
Birdie
Cammy
Ken
Necalli
New
New
New
Juri
Abel
Guile
Urien
Alex
 
ViewtifulJC said:
Ono all but confirmed Blanka so put that down in your list right now
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I'm surprised some people takes his tease at face value. He was teasing anything but Blanka, over the top references all over the screen makes it an obvious joke.
And:
- SF5 Cammy has his double knee overhead
- SF5 Chunli has his slide
- Trusted leak implies the Brazilian character teased is a brand new one.


Triple Oceans said:
Anyone heard any rumors or believe Fei could make the cut for SF5?
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Seeing as he has a background cameo in the HK stage, it would imply he wont be in the game, at least not in the initial roster.
 
So, I was watching the SFV match up between Daigo and HumanBomb from Hong Kong, and I noticed this graphic on the top left corner:
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Anybody here who knows Cantonese can translate for us on what this reads?
 
Beelzebufo said:
Couldn't it have always been obnoxious, even if it wasn't as noticeable?
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If it was that much of an issue, Capcom would have addressed it the same way they addressed the initial Poison debate. Not saying that nobody should have a problem with it, but some people are trying to equate this:

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with this:

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One is a win pose. The other is something specifically made to titillate. Also, I imagine Balrog might make an appearance later down the road. You literally can't have a feature in the game revolve around 'Fight Money' and then not include the character that name is even referencing.
 
Beelzebufo said:
Couldn't it have always been obnoxious, even if it wasn't as noticeable?
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It's really not an issue in the older games- she's showing skin but she's a cartoon character and there's no direct focus on it.

The issue's coming (for me, at least) with the increased realism in SF5 + blatant pandering camera shots. Take a look at her win animation to see the difference.
 
Karsticles said:
Why are you making the roster 18? Capcom clearly said 16, and not "16 plus two secret characters". Just 16.


You are going to be disappointed.


Three very different grapplers. Alex is more like Gief. Mika will be more like El Fuerte. Birdie has zoning tech.

I know people keep bringing Dhalsim and Gief up, but this game needs to shake things up. 8 repeat characters means only half the roster is new to the public.

We don't know how the three new characters play. One might take the Dhalsim role on.


Gouken is dead at this point in the story.

Urien shares his fireball game.
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So is this the latest chronologically, I mean in the story? I'm assuming (story spoiler)
Akuma was responsible for his death?
Sucks that he is dead, hopefully they have someone new with a similar playstyle to his. I loved his counters and ultras.
 
Karsticles said:
No way are we getting Charlie and Guile. Casuals will call them clones.
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Same could be said about having ryu and Ken in but that was quickly dismissed once Ken was shown to play differently. It makes sense from a story perspective to have Guile in and once you play them you realize how different they are now.
 
JayEH said:
Same could be said about having ryu and Ken in but that was quickly dismissed once Ken was shown to play differently. It makes sense from a story perspective to have Guile in and once you play them you realize how different they are now.
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Ken is so big that people would skip on the title with him gone. Guile receives much less passion.

Ushay said:
So is this the latest chronologically, I mean in the story? I'm assuming (story spoiler)
Akuma was responsible for his death?
Sucks that he is dead, hopefully they have someone new with a similar playstyle to his. I loved his counters and ultras.
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Given Nash's appearance, it has to be, right?
 
kirblar said:
It's really not an issue in the older games- she's showing skin but she's a cartoon character and there's no direct focus on it.

The issue's coming (for me, at least) with the increased realism in SF5 + blatant pandering camera shots. Take a look at her win animation to see the difference.
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What blantant pandering camera shots? Yes her animation is more realistic, but that's due to the power that Capcom is able to utilize on the PS4. It just sounds like you'd rather them be pixelated so it doesn't make you feel uncomfortable.
 
Karsticles said:
Ken is so big that people would skip on the title with him gone. Guile receives much less passion.


Given Nash's appearance, it has to be, right?
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Yeah you're right, he must be. I guess it's a safe bet he's been shelved for good. Ah well. Here's hoping for something similar.
 
Wynnebeck said:
What blantant pandering camera shots? Yes her animation is more realistic, but that's due to the power that Capcom is able to utilize on the PS4. It just sounds like you'd rather them be pixelated so it doesn't make you feel uncomfortable.
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Camera's actively following her butt/legs/crotch/cleavage in her win animation. It's noticeable and it is not just "realism". I'd be uncomfortable if they were doing it to a male character as well. It's not a matter of the character being "too sexy" - it's how they're framing the shots, and whether or not you'd be comfortable watching that alongside a family member, in the same way that watching a movie with a sex scene next to your parents is very uncomfortable. In-game it's actually really not an issue- it's the camera shots during the non-gameplay segments.
 
kirblar said:
Camera's actively following her butt/legs/crotch/cleavage in her win animation. It's noticeable and it is not just "realism". I'd be uncomfortable if they were doing it to a male character as well. It's not a matter of the character being "too sexy" - it's how they're framing the shots, and whether or not you'd be comfortable watching that alongside a family member, in the same way that watching a movie with a sex scene next to your parents is very uncomfortable. In-game it's actually really not an issue- it's the camera shots during the non-gameplay segments.
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I think it's only fair if this win pose comes back..
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Ushay said:
So is this the latest chronologically, I mean in the story? I'm assuming (story spoiler)
Akuma was responsible for his death?
Sucks that he is dead, hopefully they have someone new with a similar playstyle to his. I loved his counters and ultras.
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Gouken was supposed to be killed by Akuma prior to SF0, but he actually returned in SF4 where we learn he survided Akuma's attack. And, correct me if I'm wrong, he survived SF4, so he should still be alive in SF5, since SF1<SF0<SF2<SF4<SF5<SF3.

JayEH said:
Same could be said about having ryu and Ken in but that was quickly dismissed once Ken was shown to play differently. It makes sense from a story perspective to have Guile in and once you play them you realize how different they are now.
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Even if they play differently, Guile moveset (specials and normals) is too similar to Nash to be in the initial roster, but I think he is a given as DLC.
And I was wondering, since Capcom announced they will add content and upgrade the game regulary, what if they do a multipart story? The plot being split in 'seasons' like a TV series?
DLCs would bring new characters and make the story move on.
If that's the case, Guile would indeed make sense to come back later and confront Nash.
And it could also mean no Illuminatis(Urien, Gill etc) in the first version, they could keep them for latter parts of the story, since the plot is said to be a transition from Shadaloo to the Illuminatis.
 
Scotia said:
The green box is clearly Street Fighter 4 returning characters so I think the three characters we'll see come back from 4 are;

Juri
Guile
Abel

The purple box is also clearly newcomers so there's no point in speculating there. The blue box to me is returning characters not in 4, mainly Alpha and 3. IMO Nash and Birdie fill the Alpha quota (I know Birdie's from 1 technically but as long as he has his Alpha appearance I'll always consider him an Alpha character) so to me the other two spaces should go to ST3 characters and Alex and Urien make the most sense both story wise and popularity wise. R.Mika and Karin I think will be reserved for DLC. So my full prediction list is;

Ryu
Chun-Li
Nash
M.Bison
Birdie
Cammy
Ken
Necalli
New
New
New
Juri
Abel
Guile
Urien
Alex
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Wow I neve noticed that color in the background . 100% agree with it , though not the picks .

But we are surely getting
3 returning from SF4
2 returning not in SF 4
4 New
 
How come peole keep assuming the green box is SFIV returning characters. They could he right but it just makes send for it to be SF2 characters as all the characters so far in the green box are from SF2. Lets say if the characters in the green box were Juri, Ryu, Chun, and Dudley. Then I'd agree, but so far the green box has Ryu, Chun, Ken, Bison and Cammy. That's all SF2 characters So far which leads me to believe the rest of that green box will be more SF2 characters which is 3 more. Leaving only 2 characters in the blue box that are not from SF2.
 
KAL2006 said:
How come peole keep assuming the green box is SFIV returning characters. They could he right but it just makes send for it to be SF2 characters as all the characters so far in the green box are from SF2. Lets say if the characters in the green box were Juri, Ryu, Chun, and Dudley. Then I'd agree, but so far the green box has Ryu, Chun, Ken, Bison and Cammy. That's all SF2 characters So far which leads me to believe the rest of that green box will be more SF2 characters which is 3 more. Leaving only 2 characters in the blue box that are not from SF2.
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Ryu and Ken are from Street Fighter 1 so if you want to get technical that box isn't full of Street Fighter 2 characters.

EDIT: Also, fuck half the roster being SF2 characters. Street Fighter 4 was enough of a Street Fighter 2 circle-jerk that Street Fighter V doesn't have to be one too.
 
direct_quote said:
I wonder if Capcom will dial down the Hulk Hogan references in the game now. I think there was like only 2 anyway..
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Good point - I also just remembered the Hulkamania references in that RanBat vid I posted. It's still one of my faves though.

direct_quote said:
That's disappointing. I just want one character from the SF4 cast... Bring on more obscure characters please Capcom...
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Also balance them properly please Capcom. RIP Makoto...
 
Scotia said:
Ryu and Ken are from Street Fighter 1 so if you want to get technical that box isn't full of Street Fighter 2 characters.

EDIT: Also, fuck half the roster being SF2 characters. Street Fighter 4 was enough of a Street Fighter 2 circle-jerk that Street Fighter V doesn't have to be one too.
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I know Ryu and Ken are from SF1 but they appeared in SF2. Lets put it this way I don't think it is a coincidence out of all the characters they announced in the green box all 5 if them so far appeared in SF2. If you were right why wouldn't atleast 1 of those 5 in that green box be a another character that appeared in SFIV like Dudley or Juri.

And as for getting pissed about half the roster being SF2 characters. We all know majority of hardcore SF fans will buy no matter what. The SF2 roster brings the casuals in. Hardcore fan favourites like Alex are perfect DLC material.


Are we getting mixed up with roster predictions or roster wishlists. Cause my list is a prediction. My wishlist would have been way more interesting.
 
Scotia said:
Ryu and Ken are from Street Fighter 1 so if you want to get technical that box isn't full of Street Fighter 2 characters.

EDIT: Also, fuck half the roster being SF2 characters. Street Fighter 4 was enough of a Street Fighter 2 circle-jerk that Street Fighter V doesn't have to be one too.
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He has a point , it could very well be Gief, Sim, Sagat.

People are more likely to pay for Alpha and 3S, because they are more of Fan favorites . While SF2 is more the mainstream face of Streer Fighter for the casuals .

A casual who is most likely not going to buy too many DLC will want a more recognizable cast. I really don't think more than half the cast should be filled with relatives niche but hardcore fans favorites. Like Mika, Urien, birdie .. Etc.

Nash is probably the most recognizable character , since he's an Alpha main character and in many VS games.
 
We just had the ENTIRE SF2 roster in Ultra, people need to let go of these characters and accept that their favourites might miss a game. I have faith Ono and the development team can also let go of some of these characters too.

And also, Alex is from a game that, although popular in the FGC, was not very succesful. IF Alex was DLC he'd sell decently, but he'd sell like shit compared to characters like Zangief, Sim and others from 2. THOSE are the ones that should be DLC. Characters like Alex that are somewhat obscure to casual audiences are the ones that should be in the main game.
 
Shadoken said:
He has a point , it could very well be Gief, Sim, Sagat.

People are more likely to pay for Alpha and 3S, because they are more of Fan favorites . While SF2 is more the mainstream face of Streer Fighter for the casuals .

A casual who is most likely not going to buy too many DLC will want a more recognizable cast. I really don't think more than half the cast should be filled with relatives niche but hardcore fans favorites. Like Mika, Urien, birdie .. Etc.

Nash is probably the most recognizable character , since he's an Alpha main character and in many VS games.
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Disagree. 3S/Alpha is only popular nowadays thanks to the characters not turning up for a while and fans of the franchise talking about them more and more. Before I got into Street Fighter I had no idea Alpha even exsisted and I only saw a few screenshots of 3rd Strike. To casual fans Street Fighter 2 is crammed down your throats as THE Street Fighter game. I think it is a priority to have SF2 characters in a vanilla version of a game, but if I had basic knowledge of Street Fighter and I saw Blanka and Zangief as DLC I would definitley get them because I would recognise them. If I saw Urien and Alex as DLC and had very minimal knowledge of 3 I wouldn't bother with them. I 100% believe SF2 characters would sell better on their own than SF3/Alpha characters on their own.
 
Okay I'm gonna take off 1 of my predictions
Guile - we have Charlie, I know he don't play like Charlie but I don't think they will have both and we need more nationality diversity.

So this is what I think will happen

Green Section

Zangief - We need a slow close range grappler. Also nationality diversity (Russia)

Dhalsim - Really unique playstyle, nationality diversity (India) as well as a good character for a initial release. Dhalsim is definitely not DLC material that's why I think he makes sense for the starting roster.

Feilong or Sagat - We need a rekka character. Also we have a Hong Kong stage but no Hong Kong character. Sagat also could work as we don't have a decent zoning character. Both characters would provide nationality diversity.


Blue Section

Juri - most popular SFIV character. Rufus, El Fuerte, Hakan are not liked much. Gouken is another shoto though he plays different. Necalli stole C Vipers move. Decapre is a terrible character. Abel is okay but we have enough grappler. So this leaves Juri, and her V Trigger makes sense. Also we need more females. Finally nationality diversity.

Urien - He makes sense for the story. Also we need atleast 1 SF3 rep. Finally we need another zoning character. And Aegis Reflector is a cool idea for a V Skill.

So the final tally will be (not counting SF1)
8 SF2 characters
1 SF3 character
1 SF4 character
2 SFA characters
4 New characters

Or we can go
9 returning characters from USFIV
3 returning characters not from USFIV
4 New characters
 
Scotia said:
And also, Alex is from a game that, although popular in the FGC, was not very succesful. IF Alex was DLC he'd sell decently, but he'd sell like shit compared to characters like Zangief, Sim and others from 2. THOSE are the ones that should be DLC. Characters like Alex that are somewhat obscure to casual audiences are the ones that should be in the main game.
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I really hope that they wouldn't be afraid to make more newcomers for downloadable contents If they did great job with next three newcomers.
 
KAL2006 said:
Juri - most popular SFIV character. Rufus, El Fuerte, Hakan are not liked much. Gouken is another shoto though he plays different. Necalli stole C Vipers move. Decapre is a terrible character. Abel is okay but we have enough grappler. So this leaves Juri, and her V Trigger makes sense. Also we need more females. Finally nationality diversity.
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I don't know what to character's having simular moves mean anything considering 7 people by the end of this will have hadokens and and outside of slamming the ground they share nothing whatsoever.


Or have we gotten into smash bros mode,where we are pretending we know things we don't
 
Scotia said:
Disagree. 3S/Alpha is only popular nowadays thanks to the characters not turning up for a while and fans of the franchise talking about them more and more. Before I got into Street Fighter I had no idea Alpha even exsisted and I only saw a few screenshots of 3rd Strike. To casual fans Street Fighter 2 is crammed down your throats as THE Street Fighter game. I think it is a priority to have SF2 characters in a vanilla version of a game, but if I had basic knowledge of Street Fighter and I saw Blanka and Zangief as DLC I would definitley get them because I would recognise them. If I saw Urien and Alex as DLC and had very minimal knowledge of 3 I wouldn't bother with them. I 100% believe SF2 characters would sell better on their own than SF3/Alpha characters on their own.
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No I think Capcom will think it is more valuable to have as much casual appeal as possible for the initial release. This is why I expect the rest of the green section is SF2 characters.
 
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