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So, I matched with this girl on Tinder about two weeks ago. We had an instant connection, so after some exchanges via text, we moved our conversations to WhatsApp and finally to calls.
Then last sunday we rather spontaneously met up at her place to see each other in person, which eventually ended in us having sex. The next morning, the both of us had to go to work, so we scheduled the next date for today.
The following monday, till today her text messages were shorter than usual and very impersonal, which struck me as a bit weird- Instantaneously I had a bad feeling about this.
Aaaaand as expected she had to cancel our date, bc there's some stuff at her parents house she has to be there for, but she really insists on meeting up with me again, so she says.
Right now, we haven't arranged another date yet and she's gone totally cold again (since 3 hours now). It's so weird, bc the days until the first meet up, she seemed to be glued to her phone, always being available on WhatsApp and being able to reply nearly instantly.
So, guys, is it over yet or should I keep waiting until I decide to move on?
 
So, I matched with this girl on Tinder about two weeks ago. We had an instant connection, so after some exchanges via text, we moved our conversations to WhatsApp and finally to calls.
Then last sunday we rather spontaneously met up at her place to see each other in person, which eventually ended in us having sex. The next morning, the both of us had to go to work, so we scheduled the next date for today.
The following monday, till today her text messages were shorter than usual and very impersonal, which struck me as a bit weird- Instantaneously I had a bad feeling about this.
Aaaaand as expected she had to cancel our date, bc there's some stuff at her parents house she has to be there for, but she really insists on meeting up with me again, so she says.
Right now, we haven't arranged another date yet and she's gone totally cold again (since 3 hours now). It's so weird, bc the days until the first meet up, she seemed to be glued to her phone, always being available on WhatsApp and being able to reply nearly instantly.
So, guys, is it over yet or should I keep waiting until I decide to move on?

Sounds like she got what she wanted out of it, dude.
 
@Fuchs

I know this sounds extremely cold and douche-y, but at least you got laid. Given how annoying online dating can be I'd say you made out like a bandit. Take it as a positive and move on. Also, don't bang a girl and then attempt to date her. You pretty much followed the opposite course of how relationships usually start.
 
Once I realized this, I took off all the corny cookie cutter stuff that everyone has on their dating profiles and started to act more like myself and that's when people became more interested in me. When I met my girlfriend on Tinder, I had "Jet fuel can't melt steel beams" in my 'about me', and she started talking to me because we both thought that was funny. Now I'm not saying to plaster your profiles with memes, but find some stuff that you'd like a future SO to appreciate and incorporate that into your stuff. Don't just say "I want to date someone with a good sense of humor", include something that if they comment on, you'll know they have a good sense of humor.
This is good advice. My okc profile intro starts off with a Nigerian prince email scam. I put group photos with friends but edited my friends' faces off with teletubbies. The girl I'm currently seeing loved my profile and messaged me first. Be yourself!
 
Guys, I think I got stealth "the talked".

I was talking to that girl I've been dating on facebook yesterday, who's on holiday for a month.
When we were talking about something after our second date when she said:

Oh no, you didn't have any repsonisibility to do so, we weren't a couple then.

Unless I'm reading too much into this, she think we're a couple now no?

That was obviously the time to bring it up. You weren't stealth "the talk"-ed, but now you're stuck in a technicality, wherein if you do something, you, demonstrably, know she thinks you're a couple. Proper diligence should have you not date other girls, as per the last time you asked about this, until you clear it up with her. Since you now feel that she might feel you're a couple, it wouldn't be nice to date others.

However, simply assuming you're a couple after the two of you having dated two times and only made out, in what seemed to be in the span of a week, is really strange. I would understand it if the two of you were over the moon about each other and you really were set on giving each other a shot and things just worked out great. It makes more sense now, seen how you don't seem to counter the ways she puts those things forward. If she says something like that, you should say "does that imply that we're a couple now?", or anything countering the idea, especially given that you have dates lined up you still want to go on. I'd get it if you weren't interested in other girls, now, because you found someone you really want to check things out with. It's awkward timing that she's gone for a month, but you'd know if that was worth it for you.

Why not challenge what she said, when she said it? Now you're just setting yourself up to this Seinfeld moment, where it's like "but I didn't say anything, so now she thinks we're a couple, and I can't just bring it up now because" and you end up with a goldfish in a bag, because that somehow ties up with Kramer's story arc.

Once I realized this, I took off all the corny cookie cutter stuff that everyone has on their dating profiles and started to act more like myself and that's when people became more interested in me. When I met my girlfriend on Tinder, I had "Jet fuel can't melt steel beams" in my 'about me', and she started talking to me because we both thought that was funny. Now I'm not saying to plaster your profiles with memes, but find some stuff that you'd like a future SO to appreciate and incorporate that into your stuff. Don't just say "I want to date someone with a good sense of humor", include something that if they comment on, you'll know they have a good sense of humor.

This is great, and it is really true. The girls I know that I've seen use Tinder, I've sat and seen how they swipe, and based on what. I've seen them swipe, and I go "why did you swipe left/right?". The way I see it, any girl that's worth holding onto will want to talk to you, simply for a hilarious 'about me'. You'll catch girls with awesome humor and a great character with exactly the type of "jet fuel can't melt steel beams" tagline. Find something that resonates with yourself. Also, get up a picture of yourself with a genuine smile.

Update:
I should have listened to you Gaf. I confronted her with the evidence that I had after returning from the trip. But admittedly it was not much evidence. But i should have listened and just broke up with her then.

But instead I tentatively accepted her apologies and kept on digging and found that the web of lies went deeeeep. Strong evidence of cheating back to last Christmas. And slight evidence of cheating with other guys back to 2013.

I kinda expected it when i put things together in my head. But seeing the evidence for myself has made me furiously numb.

Today I'll schedule an STD screening.

The only thing I care about when I hear things like that is the well-being of the one that's been wronged. I went back a lot of pages and read up on your story. Sad to hear the things you've gone through. Live and let live, and learn from what's happened. Compile from that things that can help you out in the future, and just focus on yourself for the time being. You might not believe it now, but it'll be surprisingly short until you feel a lot better, and will feel that you're really focusing on yourself, perhaps for the first time in a long time. Best of luck to you.

I'm just about done wallowing in my own sadness at this point. 8 months and I'm still not over my ex. I want to date women and be over her already for fucks sake. I've dipped into the pond and gone on several dates since the break up, but none I took very seriously, not to mention my mindset at the time was messed up even more so (because of emotional trauma). I've made a profile numerous times, but always end up deleting it after a couple of days.

What emotional trauma, if you don't mind me asking? Dating to get over someone rarely works. It seems you realize that that didn't work before, so how is it different this time? Have you had any contact with her during the last eight months? Do you check her facebook, or other social media?

So I posted this a few months back and just wanted to update that she's moving in with me :)

I'm really happy to hear that! :D

Okay, I've found someone else. She's in my state's anime-con's facebook group. I wanna talk to her and stuff but I think she might respond rudely plus it might be creepy to send her a message introducing myself.(I'd ask for help with the wording) I mean, she's into anime and cosplay. (it's a something) but until I happen to see her in-person, I'm going to have to let her go.

Honestly though, I don't really wanna date because I feel pressured into it by family and friends, y'know? They won't accept that I like being by myself. If I say that I don't want a girlfriend, they'll assume that i'm gay (or think I have a problem)."What are you waiting for?" "Oh, you're trying to focus on school first, first?" But I guess, it's something different other than hanging with the guys( who all have been in relationships). I don't really give a shit though. Want great-grandchildren? Pester my cousin who's engaged about it. Not me.


It seems like I've thrown in the towel before I even got started but yeah...I'm done bitching now.

If you don't feel like dating, you don't feel like dating. Tell your family to keep out of it. They have to respect the way you relate to it, without calling out your sexuality. You shouldn't be pressured into dating. That being said, the way you relate to dating is what makes you come off as creepy. If you see some cosplayer that you find interesting, you should just send them a message with something spontaneous. Yeah, maybe she won't respond to it. Maybe she's used to getting a lot of those. But, perhaps something in what you write differentiate you. Or maybe it doesn't. You need to just take a chance, not sit back and consider all the ways you might be creepy while stalking her profile. The difference with contacting someone you see online being creepy and not is contacting them spontaneously. Sitting and carefully planning how you can meet her and what you would say is just going to make it creepy.

Learn to just do things, and relax about things. Don't look into all girls, don't ask around about them. Don't debate things in your head for a week first. Just do it. [/Shia LaBeouf]

This is a prime example on why I wish GAF had a more prominent female members. I would love to hear from ladyGAF on their dating experiences, advice/tips and what not. It sure would help a ton.

Just to point out, there are things girl can and can't give us an insight about when it comes to these things. In this situation, a girl doesn't necessarily help. It's the ability to understand what happened that's important. That's difficult. Even then, girls are individual. I'll give my input on the situation, but just remember that there's no magical insight that girls can give about these things. Often, these are emotional things. Unless you're talking to the girl that experienced it, it's always hard to say why they did what they did.

Just venting.

I had a girl I was "dating" go completely dark on me after she went on a trip to NYC. On our last date, told me (without prompting) that she would be texting me pics of her trip.

Wished her a fun trip and never heard from her again. Texted her after she was supposed to be back - nada.

Now... we didn't know each other well enough for me to call her up checking in on her... we never kept in touch enough for that.

There are any number of reasons why she didn't get back to me, I just ultimately wish it had gone a different way.

It doesn't matter much. It's an asshole thing to do. She might've met someone else, and whatever it is, it seems that it has to do with guilt that she stopped talking to you. Perhaps she wasn't too sure about you, ended up having sex with someone, and can't bear telling you. In the end, it's a rejection, so it doesn't matter that much. The fact that what she did isn't nice just underlines that this most likely is someone that your life is better without.

She is reallt into creative stuff like painting, knitting, etc. I try to ask her about it and show interest and she can go on about it for hours, which is great. However in hindsight I feel that I don't get the same response. It's one of those few things about her that throw me off. For example if I tell her about some of the crazy stuff that happened this weekend she just kinda scoffs it off like she isn't interested at all and it honestly bothers me. I don't know how to deal with it.

However, this is telling. You're trying to take part in her stuff, but she's not taking part in yours. It's healthy to have one's own hobbies, but this is the kind of thing that will have you grow apart. I was in a four year relationship where she never took interest in any of my things. It kind sucked, but it was just the way it was. A ton of shit was horribly wrong with that relationship, but even then I couldn't see it. Now I'm in a relationship with a girl that's not at all a gamer, but she's genuinely interested in so many of my hobbies. It's not that she's not independent, but it's the fact that she really listens when I tell her about it, and with that, she's often fascinated by what I share. She's watched Evo with me, because she loves Daigo, off of the stuff I've shown her. She's genuinely interested, which matches me perfectly, because I can go off on passionate rants about stuff I love. We match each other great that way, and for that we share each others interests in a way that I feel enrich each others' lives. I was still up til 7 in the morning, watching the grand finals, by myself, and I had a blast. That way, I feel more independent now than I ever have before, so it goes to show that sharing in each other's interests don't mean that you can't have anything to yourself.

It's hard to judge the rest of your situation, but off of the things you've said about your girlfriend, it might seem that she's on a track where you're there out of habit. I feel you fight to not have it be that way, but when you don't get a response, it could end up happening. I was unable to see how much more happy I could be, when it came to sharing my hobbies in a relationship, even when I was in a bad relationship, so it's really a challenge to you to see if your relationship might not work in this regard. If you don't feel it working, then I would recommend terminating the relationship. Otherwise, I can tell you that things just sort of spiral into a mundane mess, where nothing really ever happens.
 
So, I matched with this girl on Tinder about two weeks ago. We had an instant connection, so after some exchanges via text, we moved our conversations to WhatsApp and finally to calls.
Then last sunday we rather spontaneously met up at her place to see each other in person, which eventually ended in us having sex. The next morning, the both of us had to go to work, so we scheduled the next date for today.
The following monday, till today her text messages were shorter than usual and very impersonal, which struck me as a bit weird- Instantaneously I had a bad feeling about this.
Aaaaand as expected she had to cancel our date, bc there's some stuff at her parents house she has to be there for, but she really insists on meeting up with me again, so she says.
Right now, we haven't arranged another date yet and she's gone totally cold again (since 3 hours now). It's so weird, bc the days until the first meet up, she seemed to be glued to her phone, always being available on WhatsApp and being able to reply nearly instantly.
So, guys, is it over yet or should I keep waiting until I decide to move on?

This guy fuchs!

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So I was talking to the girl I was seeing again and its over. She wants to be in a open relationship and doesn't want to have me worrying about that stuff. Other than that we ended on pretty good terms so maybe we can be friends one day. No clue tho. Good to know it wasn't something I did and just out lifestyles not meshing. Now I need to find my way to the online-age thread.
 
So I was talking to the girl I was seeing again and its over. She wants to be in a open relationship and doesn't want to have me worrying about that stuff. Other than that we ended on pretty good terms so maybe we can be friends one day. No clue tho. Good to know it wasn't something I did and just out lifestyles not meshing. Now I need to find my way to the online-age thread.

As you said, it was nothing you did. You showed great integrity. It's always good to hear stories of break ups happening on amicable terms.
 
Someone girl left behind her phone number while I was at work. How bad of an idea is it to call it when a) I don't want to get fired and they could always turn up and cause a scene and b)I don't know what they look like (I think I know who left it but am not sure)
 
Someone girl left behind her phone number while I was at work. How bad of an idea is it to call it when a) I don't want to get fired and they could always turn up and cause a scene and b)I don't know what they look like (I think I know who left it but am not sure)

This is unclear. Some girl left her number? How could she cause a scene? It sounds like you just found a number, and want to call it. I don't quite get it.
 
So, I matched with this girl on Tinder about two weeks ago. We had an instant connection, so after some exchanges via text, we moved our conversations to WhatsApp and finally to calls.
Then last sunday we rather spontaneously met up at her place to see each other in person, which eventually ended in us having sex. The next morning, the both of us had to go to work, so we scheduled the next date for today.
The following monday, till today her text messages were shorter than usual and very impersonal, which struck me as a bit weird- Instantaneously I had a bad feeling about this.
Aaaaand as expected she had to cancel our date, bc there's some stuff at her parents house she has to be there for, but she really insists on meeting up with me again, so she says.
Right now, we haven't arranged another date yet and she's gone totally cold again (since 3 hours now). It's so weird, bc the days until the first meet up, she seemed to be glued to her phone, always being available on WhatsApp and being able to reply nearly instantly.
So, guys, is it over yet or should I keep waiting until I decide to move on?

What she's doing to you, seems like what I've done to a woman previously.

She was cool though - far more than I. She texted back a couple of days later. And said something like: Hey... so this got cold quicker than I expected. A Shame. I really liked you. I think its best that we get proper closure than this fazing out crap. I enjoyed our time. I hope you did too. best of luck in the future.

Felt kinda guilty. Because she hit the nail on the head.

This only works if the girl you're talking to is doing this to you though.
 
so ive kept open communication with this one chick. She sends me signals and reaches out to me all the time. All sounds great except shes been with this dude for 4 years now. However, the guy is almost an anomaly as she never talks about him(we have mutual friends) and she never spends time with him (she is usually out working or involved in dance). I haven't pursued her but we have hung out here and there together alone. My friends tell me go pursue her but I feel like my morality is at stake. Even if things are shaky between her and her dude
 
so ive kept open communication with this one chick. She sends me signals and reaches out to me all the time. All sounds great except shes been with this dude for 4 years now. However, the guy is almost an anomaly as she never talks about him(we have mutual friends) and she never spends time with him (she is usually out working or involved in dance). I haven't pursued her but we have hung out here and there together alone. My friends tell me go pursue her but I feel like my morality is at stake. Even if things are shaky between her and her dude

I've dealt with the morality of this question before. It's moot. The only thing that matters is that she's a girl that when her current relationship is flaky, she looks for attention from other guys instead of working or ending her current relationship. Believe me, fuck morality. Head for the hills.
 
I've dealt with the morality of this question before. It's moot. The only thing that matters is that she's a girl that when her current relationship is flaky, she looks for attention from other guys instead of working or ending her current relationship. Believe me, fuck morality. Head for the hills.

Needed to hear this myself (even though it wasn't for me). Cheers.
 
This is unclear. Some girl left her number? How could she cause a scene? It sounds like you just found a number, and want to call it. I don't quite get it.

To be clear, it was left on my area with "ring me" and a smiley face next to it. Not being a creep.

The concern is about if I decided I didn't want to meet up, she knows where I work and could pop in again when I'm around colleagues or customers.
 
What emotional trauma, if you don't mind me asking? Dating to get over someone rarely works. It seems you realize that that didn't work before, so how is it different this time? Have you had any contact with her during the last eight months? Do you check her facebook, or other social media?

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We dated a year & a half. She was my first everything (just turned 23 when we began dating). My parents loved her, vice versa. Even flew her across the country to see my hometown and meet my family, etc. We talked about marriage and it got to the point that her mom was calling me 'son in law'. We had opposite schedules and towards the last few months of the relationship I began taking her for granted. We get into a fight, didnt talk for two days, then she calls me in tears and breaks up with me.

I faught for her back, she trusted I meant what I said and realized my mistakes (I did), and we start to reconcile a week after the break up. 3 days later she tells me she lost feelings for me and gained feelings for a guy she goes to the gym with. I was devastated and said some shit I didn't mean. She blocked me on everything. I quit my job and moved in with some cousins & began going to nightclubs with girls. 2 months later she follows me on twitter. Confused, I see that she has a few subtweets pertaining to me. 1 was "how can you go out & get fucked up every night when you havent accomplished anything in your life. wtf are you celebrating". That hurt (she graduated from college that year at 20 years of age). Her twitter login was still on my phone, so I logged on, blocked my account, and deleted her info.

I found out later that she began dating that guy a couple weeks after she blocked me, moved in with him. My heart sank. I couldn't get her off my mind regardless of what I did or how many dates I went on. She ignored all the emails I sent to her in the months following the break up. Last attempt at contact was Feb.

Her sister kept in contact with me and understood my side of the story. Her sister has told me several things about the new boyfriend last couple months, including him being a jobless meathead that doesn't contribute to the relationship financially & my ex working her ass off to subsidize. Every time I checked my ex's twitter or IG, i'd get devastated. Last few weeks I've been good about not checking.

I noticed, however, that she unblocked me on twitter earlier this month. She unblocked me on instagram (IG) a couple weeks after blocking me in Dec. Also saw that she reactivated her FB earlier this month (she deactivated it in Dec following the breakup). She only had FB to keep in touch with her overseas family and my family & to post pics of us. I only noticed it because the 'life event' of us starting to date showed up in my 'about me' section. I looked and noticed her page went untouched. Still pics of us, still friends, etc. I did nothing, but checked every few days and it kept staying untouched for a week until she deactivated it again.

I finally scheduled an appt with a therapist after sinking super low (following checking her twitter & seeing sappy shit about how amazing her boyfriend is, or as she refers to him, her "husband"). Saw the therapist 2 weeks ago and will again tomorrow.

I'm trying to get over her best I can.
 
That was obviously the time to bring it up. You weren't stealth "the talk"-ed, but now you're stuck in a technicality, wherein if you do something, you, demonstrably, know she thinks you're a couple. Proper diligence should have you not date other girls, as per the last time you asked about this, until you clear it up with her. Since you now feel that she might feel you're a couple, it wouldn't be nice to date others.

However, simply assuming you're a couple after the two of you having dated two times and only made out, in what seemed to be in the span of a week, is really strange. I would understand it if the two of you were over the moon about each other and you really were set on giving each other a shot and things just worked out great. It makes more sense now, seen how you don't seem to counter the ways she puts those things forward. If she says something like that, you should say "does that imply that we're a couple now?", or anything countering the idea, especially given that you have dates lined up you still want to go on. I'd get it if you weren't interested in other girls, now, because you found someone you really want to check things out with. It's awkward timing that she's gone for a month, but you'd know if that was worth it for you.

Why not challenge what she said, when she said it? Now you're just setting yourself up to this Seinfeld moment, where it's like "but I didn't say anything, so now she thinks we're a couple, and I can't just bring it up now because" and you end up with a goldfish in a bag, because that somehow ties up with Kramer's story arc.

TBH I didn't notice it at the time. It was post factum when I was rereading the convo at work to check which mistakes I made...
I do actually legit think she's the coolest girl I know, we have an insane amount of things in common.
But I have the worse track record with girls going on holiday and things working out xD.
I've broken up with the past two gf's when they came back from holiday... I seem to kill the magic somehow.
I was planning on not talking to her and starting over when she came back, but she messages me every evening/night 'till early in the morning.
Conflicted.
 
TBH I didn't notice it at the time. It was post factum when I was rereading the convo at work to check which mistakes I made...
I do actually legit think she's the coolest girl I know, we have an insane amount of things in common.
But I have the worse track record with girls going on holiday and things working out xD.
I've broken up with the past two gf's when they came back from holiday... I seem to kill the magic somehow.
I was planning on not talking to her and starting over when she came back, but she messages me every evening/night 'till early in the morning.
Conflicted.

Are you afraid that keeping in touch while she's away will 'kill the magic'? A month apart is a long time, especially given the circumstances. However, don't force yourself to date other girls if you don't want to. If you want to play it cool, seeing other girls, then seeing what happens when she comes back, then that's fine. I just hope you don't leave this hanging, so that she might think you're a couple while you're dating others. You should figure out how you want this to be; if you don't want to date others, don't force yourself. If you want to see what happens with this girl, then go for it. When you know what you want to do, talk with her about what she said.

Allow yourself to be crazy about her, if you are, even if she's on holiday. It's not a rule that a situation like that will be detrimental in any way to what the two of you have going.
 
General question on dating: I've always felt like since my last breakup I should hold off on dating again until I "fix" myself. Until I get my physical shape and life and mental state and just my entire being as a person to where I want it to be. But I'm also fairly confident that I lack the willpower to actually do any of that, so I'm sort of stuck in a conundrum: I feel like I shouldn't start dating again until I "fix" myself, but I don't really have the willpower to fix myself just for the sake of fixing myself, and being alone.... sucks. Like it really sucks.

Wondering if anyone else has gone through a similar thought process
 
General question on dating: I've always felt like since my last breakup I should hold off on dating again until I "fix" myself. Until I get my physical shape and life and mental state and just my entire being as a person to where I want it to be. But I'm also fairly confident that I lack the willpower to actually do any of that, so I'm sort of stuck in a conundrum: I feel like I shouldn't start dating again until I "fix" myself, but I don't really have the willpower to fix myself just for the sake of fixing myself, and being alone.... sucks. Like it really sucks.

Wondering if anyone else has gone through a similar thought process

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Are you afraid that keeping in touch while she's away will 'kill the magic'? A month apart is a long time, especially given the circumstances. However, don't force yourself to date other girls if you don't want to. If you want to play it cool, seeing other girls, then seeing what happens when she comes back, then that's fine. I just hope you don't leave this hanging, so that she might think you're a couple while you're dating others. You should figure out how you want this to be; if you don't want to date others, don't force yourself. If you want to see what happens with this girl, then go for it. When you know what you want to do, talk with her about what she said.

Allow yourself to be crazy about her, if you are, even if she's on holiday. It's not a rule that a situation like that will be detrimental in any way to what the two of you have going.

I'm going to be real here... Since l broke up with ex ex gf last year, I'm terrified of letting myself legit fall in love again. I mean the months afterwards were hell...
Lying in bed all day, booze, drugs, crying. Jezus.
And when that stopped I turned into lord dickhead and started treating girls like garbage sleeping left and right.
Then I met the last ex, amazing girl, but I bottled up all my feelings.
Didn't let her in, eventually I broke up because I was torturing the poor girl.

But this time... I actually feel myself slipping. I've only been on two dates,and made out but it all feels different. I seriouslt can't describe how cool she is xD. But fuck, the fear is real. Like every night when we talk I can legit feel myself letting go and opening up, but I don't want to end up like last time...


General question on dating: I've always felt like since my last breakup I should hold off on dating again until I "fix" myself. Until I get my physical shape and life and mental state and just my entire being as a person to where I want it to be. But I'm also fairly confident that I lack the willpower to actually do any of that, so I'm sort of stuck in a conundrum: I feel like I shouldn't start dating again until I "fix" myself, but I don't really have the willpower to fix myself just for the sake of fixing myself, and being alone.... sucks. Like it really sucks.

Wondering if anyone else has gone through a similar thought process

Ok bro, fix yourself because YOU want to be dope. Not to impress a girl, or so other people think you're cool. If you wanna be ripped go for it, if you don't, that's fine too.
Never let the drive to improve yourself come from anywhere else than within. Because once that exterior element is gone, you'll fall back to were you started.
 
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We dated a year & a half. She was my first everything (just turned 23 when we began dating). My parents loved her, vice versa. Even flew her across the country to see my hometown and meet my family, etc. We talked about marriage and it got to the point that her mom was calling me 'son in law'. We had opposite schedules and towards the last few months of the relationship I began taking her for granted. We get into a fight, didnt talk for two days, then she calls me in tears and breaks up with me.

I faught for her back, she trusted I meant what I said and realized my mistakes (I did), and we start to reconcile a week after the break up. 3 days later she tells me she lost feelings for me and gained feelings for a guy she goes to the gym with. I was devastated and said some shit I didn't mean. She blocked me on everything. I quit my job and moved in with some cousins & began going to nightclubs with girls. 2 months later she follows me on twitter. Confused, I see that she has a few subtweets pertaining to me. 1 was "how can you go out & get fucked up every night when you havent accomplished anything in your life. wtf are you celebrating". That hurt (she graduated from college that year at 20 years of age). Her twitter login was still on my phone, so I logged on, blocked my account, and deleted her info.

I found out later that she began dating that guy a couple weeks after she blocked me, moved in with him. My heart sank. I couldn't get her off my mind regardless of what I did or how many dates I went on. She ignored all the emails I sent to her in the months following the break up. Last attempt at contact was Feb.

Her sister kept in contact with me and understood my side of the story. Her sister has told me several things about the new boyfriend last couple months, including him being a jobless meathead that doesn't contribute to the relationship financially & my ex working her ass off to subsidize. Every time I checked my ex's twitter or IG, i'd get devastated. Last few weeks I've been good about not checking.

I noticed, however, that she unblocked me on twitter earlier this month. She unblocked me on instagram (IG) a couple weeks after blocking me in Dec. Also saw that she reactivated her FB earlier this month (she deactivated it in Dec following the breakup). She only had FB to keep in touch with her overseas family and my family & to post pics of us. I only noticed it because the 'life event' of us starting to date showed up in my 'about me' section. I looked and noticed her page went untouched. Still pics of us, still friends, etc. I did nothing, but checked every few days and it kept staying untouched for a week until she deactivated it again.

I finally scheduled an appt with a therapist after sinking super low (following checking her twitter & seeing sappy shit about how amazing her boyfriend is, or as she refers to him, her "husband"). Saw the therapist 2 weeks ago and will again tomorrow.

I'm trying to get over her best I can.

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Ok bro, fix yourself because YOU want to be dope. Not to impress a girl, or so other people think you're cool. If you wanna be ripped go for it, if you don't, that's fine too.
Never let the drive to improve yourself come from anywhere else than within. Because once that exterior element is gone, you'll fall back to were you started.

But that's the thing, though. I can't really tell if I'm trying to improve for me, or to be more attractive to other people. Honestly speaking, is there a difference? If I get a significant amount of my happiness from being social (which I do) and I feel like being out of shape, or at least no doing something active, and just reading comics and playing video games all day is detracting from my ability to be social, is wanting to fix that an internal or external motivation? It could be external, because my desire to change comes from my want to be more accepted by other people, but it could be internal, because I'm a really social person and bettering myself and expanding my horizons helps me do that, which contributes significantly to my internal happiness

So really, I feel like that's not a useful distinction for me. Internal motivation, external motivation, it doesn't matter. Right now I'm wondering if delaying going out and meeting people until this mythical "better me" comes along is a realistic proposition, or if I should be constantly interacting with people, maybe even dating, while working to improve myself at the same time
 
But that's the thing, though. I can't really tell if I'm trying to improve for me, or to be more attractive to other people. Honestly speaking, is there a difference? If I get a significant amount of my happiness from being social (which I do) and I feel like being out of shape, or at least no doing something active, and just reading comics and playing video games all day is detracting from my ability to be social, is wanting to fix that an internal or external motivation? It could be external, because my desire to change comes from my want to be more accepted by other people, but it could be internal, because I'm a really social person and bettering myself and expanding my horizons helps me do that, which contributes significantly to my internal happiness

So really, I feel like that's not a useful distinction for me. Internal motivation, external motivation, it doesn't matter. Right now I'm wondering if delaying going out and meeting people until this mythical "better me" comes along is a realistic proposition, or if I should be constantly interacting with people, maybe even dating, while working to improve myself at the same time

both at the same time, but more focus on the self improvement part I'd say
 
General question on dating: I've always felt like since my last breakup I should hold off on dating again until I "fix" myself. Until I get my physical shape and life and mental state and just my entire being as a person to where I want it to be. But I'm also fairly confident that I lack the willpower to actually do any of that, so I'm sort of stuck in a conundrum: I feel like I shouldn't start dating again until I "fix" myself, but I don't really have the willpower to fix myself just for the sake of fixing myself, and being alone.... sucks. Like it really sucks.

Wondering if anyone else has gone through a similar thought process

The thing is, you can't work on yourself "to become ready". You can't be working out so that you will 'be ready' for a girl. You need to make it about yourself. Do it so you feel well. It will still be so that you can be an attractive mate, but you'll work on yourself, not for a future 'someone', but so that you feel well. The distinction is hard to spot, but it's huge.

But, let's make a distinction here. If you're lazy, then you're lazy. Don't hand-wave away doing something that's beneficial for your health, at the face of it 'being for someone else'. That's where the distinction is even more important. You should work out. It's good for you, it helps motivate you. It improves your health. You should do it. It's not what makes you fit for a girl, though, so stop thinking that that's the only reason to work out. The way you phrase it, it's kind of like "meh, why should I work out? I don't want to do that just to be ready to find a girl". That's not it at all. So it's not a conundrum at all. Start taking care of your body.

As far as mental state goes, I did feel the way you do. I had scars and shit that sat deep in me when I became single last. The irony was that the biggest fear of all was that I had to be perfect in a relationship. I thought I had to work out to be worthy of a 'good enough girl', and I thought I couldn't bring any insecurities into a new relationship. I was so sure of that, that I worked hard at keeping a girl I met, who I now live with, at bay, because I "wasn't ready yet".

Turns out that the reason why I say what I said first is that while being fit might have you be more attractive the first time someone looks at you, it's not what a real girl is hung up on. It might be beneficial, but it's not a requirement. That's why working out is for you. Turns out, further, that you don't need to be mentally perfect, either. I mean, if you're still hung up on your ex, or if you have anger issues, those are different things. But if you're a scarred man that fears that you having a hard time trusting someone new, and that you think you can't start a relationship before you fix that, then you should think again. That's not how it is. That's a scar. That's not an error with you. You're still that awesome person, you just have some stuff that's hard to deal with. What I realized was that I could never figure out those things on my own. If I had remained single longer, I might've found ways to cover it up; hide that it was there. But I'd find, the moment I was in a position of trust, that I still would have a hard time. That's where a proper girl shows you just how backwards that thinking is. That's what I experienced. The first time I was engulfed with the same fears and insecurities, she just sat with me and helped me. She was open, and she was honest. She took care of me and showed me that the only thing that removes such a fear, truly, is seeing that not all girls are like that.

That's why the only thing you need to be ready for, is to allow a girl to show you that she won't do the same as someone else might have.

So, there's nothing you "need to fix", besides allowing yourself to try again.

I'm going to be real here... Since l broke up with ex ex gf last year, I'm terrified of letting myself legit fall in love again. I mean the months afterwards were hell...
Lying in bed all day, booze, drugs, crying. Jezus.
And when that stopped I turned into lord dickhead and started treating girls like garbage sleeping left and right.
Then I met the last ex, amazing girl, but I bottled up all my feelings.
Didn't let her in, eventually I broke up because I was torturing the poor girl.

But this time... I actually feel myself slipping. I've only been on two dates,and made out but it all feels different. I seriouslt can't describe how cool she is xD. But fuck, the fear is real. Like every night when we talk I can legit feel myself letting go and opening up, but I don't want to end up like last time...

That's exactly what you say to her! Read what I said above, it pertains to your situation. Don't become jaded. Don't treat girls poorly. You have a chance here to allow yourself to see that not all girls are like what made you like this in the first place. Take that chance. You have a great conversation-starter. Bring up the whole "are we a couple" by saying how scared you are. Open up. You'll see that she's there. Dare do that.

Give her the shot she deserves. She's someone you feel really strongly about. It seems what you want to do is give her a shot, so forget those other dates.
 
To be clear, it was left on my area with "ring me" and a smiley face next to it. Not being a creep.

The concern is about if I decided I didn't want to meet up, she knows where I work and could pop in again when I'm around colleagues or customers.

If that's the case, I see no problem with you calling her. That's honestly the best way to show interest to someone that's on the job, without messing up their stuff.

And maybe you could try to search the number on FB (if that's possible) to see how she looks?

I didn't. Not like it matters, she doesn't try talking to me.

Block that shit so you don't see it.
 
But that's the thing, though. I can't really tell if I'm trying to improve for me, or to be more attractive to other people. Honestly speaking, is there a difference? If I get a significant amount of my happiness from being social (which I do) and I feel like being out of shape, or at least no doing something active, and just reading comics and playing video games all day is detracting from my ability to be social, is wanting to fix that an internal or external motivation? It could be external, because my desire to change comes from my want to be more accepted by other people, but it could be internal, because I'm a really social person and bettering myself and expanding my horizons helps me do that, which contributes significantly to my internal happiness

So really, I feel like that's not a useful distinction for me. Internal motivation, external motivation, it doesn't matter. Right now I'm wondering if delaying going out and meeting people until this mythical "better me" comes along is a realistic proposition, or if I should be constantly interacting with people, maybe even dating, while working to improve myself at the same time

I know what you mean, and feel a similar conundrum. At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter what gets you into the gym. As long as you're going, that's good enough. You may not feel the drive or willpower to keep it up in the beginning, but if you just keep at it and make it a routine, you will find that it becomes much easier to do regularly. If you happen to meet someone during all this, great. If not, you're still living a healthier lifestyle so it's beneficial for you.

I'm also guilty of waiting around for the right person to motivate me since my last heartbreak, and well it hasn't been working out. I'm still single, haven't found anyone really special, and I haven't done much to improve myself. So I'm losing on both ends, and it's just not working. So I'm going to start improving myself again just to shift things around, and so that in six months when I'm looking in the mirror, asking myself what I've accomplished this year, I'll at least be able to come up with something.
 
Alright I'll explain the situation first.
There is this girl I've liked for quite a while without her knowing it, finally this year I decided to approach her, we started talking and than dating. She was a bit weird, would be very warm one day and cold the next couple of days. One night she said Im coming at your home after some party, she came as soon as we started kissing she said this was a bad idea and got up, I stopped her and we talked all the night, she kinda opened up to me but said she doesn't see anything in me, we don't have stuff in common etc. She said we can still date but the door is more closed. Next time I see her she stops me from kissing her and says just friends remember. Then suddenly 2 days after she calls me and asks to be picked at home, we end up having sex and go into a "relationship" for the next 3 weeks. It's all great and fun we are both enjoying it (her words at the time) .
Than we go to the beach, have a great night but the next day not so great, i get burned badly and she gets a headache and we. During our back home some girls write me on tinder(she knew i had the app and even used it once to mock other girls) , she gets mad about it but it ends there.

The next day I ask her if she wants to go out but she refeses saying "we aren't that happy" . I ask why she says we are at point 1 like 3 weeks ago, still nothing in common and all and calls it over. I ask her if she wants to stop talking and she goes like "nooo why would we??"
From there it all gets messy. Sometimes she is all warm but as soon as I say smth sweet she says why do you do that its over. Finally she invites me to her sister's bday...but says 5 min before i go out that she cant make it (felt sick, wasn't a lie).
2 days later I invite her and she replys "It's all becoming utopic now, let it go".
I got mad and said that i'd stop talking to her but my insticts took me over and it lasted only 3 days. When I said hi she was with her friends at the beach,replied normally and told me to contact her the next day. I did but no reply ...so i write to her some hours later still no reply. I got mad and thought that's it im not contacting her anymore ,will do after I return home from my vacation( when I am right now). 2 days later i wake up finding that she deleted me from Instagram and facebook.
I ask why on whatsapp she says I put a lot of pressure on her and that she can't handle it anymore, she doesn't want any kind of contacts anymore, I reply "fine put your shit together" and she goes mad and blocks me there too.

So yeah all the story... dunno what to do. I really like her and while I don't think she has feelings for me as for right now she does enjoy going out with me. What bothers me the most is that the last time I saw here in person we had lots of fun and all the dramas started online , she never gave me the chance to meet her in person again. What am I supposed to do now?
 
I can still check her page even if I block her. When it comes down to it, it's all about self control on my part.

But there's a big difference between manually going to her page and her stuff popping up on your feed.

Seriously, you need to cut everything involving her outta your life.

You still have her texts, and pictures? I don't care that you never look at them, those pictures and texts are there and you know they're there, and they're holding you back from recovery. Come on, seriously. What is you find another SO and she sees that you've kept everything from your ex? She's not gonna be happy about it; I know I wouldn't be.

And before you say "oh I'll just delete them when I meet someone else", no. That's a shitty excuse. You need to remove EVERY SINGLE SHRED OF HER FROM YOUR LIFE.

That includes talking to her sister. Stop that immediately.
 
Guys, not a regular here and the topic on hand is regarding a conversation, not some dating advice, but I hope you can help me (quick):
on several occasions I've read a formula on gaf to determine appropiate age difference. Something like "your age/2 + x" - but I can't remember it in detail.

anyone here knows what I'm talking about?
 
It's usually /2 + 7 right? Think it's silly to enforce some kind of weird mathematic rule to determine what age difference between two people feels right though
 
So I texted that girl I had been talking too Friday about going out and haven't heard anything back. I just don't know where I went wrong. Really sucks but I guess I have my google interview to take my mind off of it.


Don't assume you've done anything wrong. Sometimes a person is just not ready, she may have other options also. A mind is a messed up thing at times.

I've met some fucked up people that I've really liked and I've met some decent people that I still have doubts about a month down the line.

There's no science to it.

Religious or not, sometimes it's best to let providence play its role.
 
How often is it that girls will contact you weeks, months, or even years later trying to get back together after just dropping contact? It seems to happen to me a lot, almost every girl that I really liked who just went AWOL eventually does this to me (three girls in the last two weeks) and I'm wondering if this is common or if I'm doing something wrong?

It also seems strange to me because I've only ever felt the desire to reconnect with someone that I've rejected once or twice but this seems to happen in reverse a lot (like over 50% of the girls I've ever been most interested in and it's almost exclusively those girls who contact me so clearly they know there was some sort of connection). And they always have the same stuff to say - "You're the nicest guy I have ever met", "I miss your enthusiasm", "You deserve amazing things", etc... and I can't really comprehend why they feel that way now when they seemingly did not before. So is this really common and just a thing that girls do and guys don't understand or what?
 
How often is it that girls will contact you weeks, months, or even years later trying to get back together after just dropping contact? I can't really comprehend why they feel that way now when they seemingly did not before. So is this really common and just a thing that girls do and guys don't understand or what?

I think sometimes it take making some mistakes and they realize you really were a great person and the grass is greener or sometimes it's just finding something that's familiar. Easier to reconnect then go out and meet someone new. I could be wrong but that's my thinking.

. Something like "your age/2 + x" - but I can't remember it in detail.

anyone here knows what I'm talking about?

Ignore that nonsense. If you're comfortable with the age difference and you get along well who cares.
 
I think sometimes it take making some mistakes and they realize you really were a great person and the grass is greener or sometimes it's just finding something that's familiar. Easier to reconnect then go out and meet someone new. I could be wrong but that's my thinking.

Yeah, that makes sense but this one girl contacted me today who I went out with 12 years ago! That is an awfully long time. I had almost forgotten completely about her.

...Also, just a couple of weeks ago I went on an amazing date. The entire thing was like a movie and at the end we kissed watching the sunset over the ocean and she then whispered into my ear was the most romantic thing she had ever experienced. That night and the next day she texted me and told me what an amazing time she had had and how much she enjoyed spending time with me and couldn't wait to see me soon and now she is being totally evasive. This reminded me of another girl from this past Christmas who tried contacting me again a couple weeks ago. After our last date when we made a gingerbread house together she told me that I should write books on dating because the dates we had had were so perfect and then she dropped off the planet until a couple weeks ago. At the time that was devastating for me because I thought we had an amazing connection and things were going so well but now I live in a different state.

... I just feel like I'm doing something wrong but I don't know what. IDK, I feel like maybe girls can tell when I like them and don't want to hurt my feelings so instead they go to the opposite extreme and act like they're really into me when they're not or something. ... but then it always seems like eventually they are?? I'm just confused...

EDIT: My sister was just visiting and I showed her the text interactions I'd had with the two vanishing girls and she said that I had done nothing weird, wrong, needy, etc... Her only explanation was that she said I'm really fun but have a lot of energy and intensity so people love being around me but sometimes it can be exhausting for others to keep up even though they are having a lot of fun and like me a lot. I guess that kind of makes sense but that is also something I've always been aware of and try my best to control but maybe I don't do that as well as I could? IDK, I am who I am.
 

Sometimes you could have done nothing wrong and they just flake out. I know how it feels though. For me the easiest way to get over it is closure but you can't always get that and some might say you're not entitled to it depending on how long it's been. If they flake out on you just be happy it's earlier rather than later after you've become invested in the relationship.
 
Alright I'll explain the situation first.
There is this girl I've liked for quite a while without her knowing it, finally this year I decided to approach her, we started talking and than dating. She was a bit weird, would be very warm one day and cold the next couple of days. One night she said Im coming at your home after some party, she came as soon as we started kissing she said this was a bad idea and got up, I stopped her and we talked all the night, she kinda opened up to me but said she doesn't see anything in me, we don't have stuff in common etc. She said we can still date but the door is more closed. Next time I see her she stops me from kissing her and says just friends remember. Then suddenly 2 days after she calls me and asks to be picked at home, we end up having sex and go into a "relationship" for the next 3 weeks. It's all great and fun we are both enjoying it (her words at the time) .
Than we go to the beach, have a great night but the next day not so great, i get burned badly and she gets a headache and we. During our back home some girls write me on tinder(she knew i had the app and even used it once to mock other girls) , she gets mad about it but it ends there.

The next day I ask her if she wants to go out but she refeses saying "we aren't that happy" . I ask why she says we are at point 1 like 3 weeks ago, still nothing in common and all and calls it over. I ask her if she wants to stop talking and she goes like "nooo why would we??"
From there it all gets messy. Sometimes she is all warm but as soon as I say smth sweet she says why do you do that its over. Finally she invites me to her sister's bday...but says 5 min before i go out that she cant make it (felt sick, wasn't a lie).
2 days later I invite her and she replys "It's all becoming utopic now, let it go".
I got mad and said that i'd stop talking to her but my insticts took me over and it lasted only 3 days. When I said hi she was with her friends at the beach,replied normally and told me to contact her the next day. I did but no reply ...so i write to her some hours later still no reply. I got mad and thought that's it im not contacting her anymore ,will do after I return home from my vacation( when I am right now). 2 days later i wake up finding that she deleted me from Instagram and facebook.
I ask why on whatsapp she says I put a lot of pressure on her and that she can't handle it anymore, she doesn't want any kind of contacts anymore, I reply "fine put your shit together" and she goes mad and blocks me there too.

So yeah all the story... dunno what to do. I really like her and while I don't think she has feelings for me as for right now she does enjoy going out with me. What bothers me the most is that the last time I saw here in person we had lots of fun and all the dramas started online , she never gave me the chance to meet her in person again. What am I supposed to do now?

Move on. Since she blocked you on social networks, it shows to me that she lacks maturity to be in a relationship, and also sounds like you've had too many headaches in a short period. Plenty of other girls out there, and rebound quickly to move on from her.
 
Alright I'll explain the situation first.
There is this girl I've liked for quite a while without her knowing it, finally this year I decided to approach her, we started talking and than dating. She was a bit weird, would be very warm one day and cold the next couple of days. One night she said Im coming at your home after some party, she came as soon as we started kissing she said this was a bad idea and got up, I stopped her and we talked all the night, she kinda opened up to me but said she doesn't see anything in me, we don't have stuff in common etc. She said we can still date but the door is more closed. Next time I see her she stops me from kissing her and says just friends remember. Then suddenly 2 days after she calls me and asks to be picked at home, we end up having sex and go into a "relationship" for the next 3 weeks. It's all great and fun we are both enjoying it (her words at the time) .
Than we go to the beach, have a great night but the next day not so great, i get burned badly and she gets a headache and we. During our back home some girls write me on tinder(she knew i had the app and even used it once to mock other girls) , she gets mad about it but it ends there.

The next day I ask her if she wants to go out but she refeses saying "we aren't that happy" . I ask why she says we are at point 1 like 3 weeks ago, still nothing in common and all and calls it over. I ask her if she wants to stop talking and she goes like "nooo why would we??"
From there it all gets messy. Sometimes she is all warm but as soon as I say smth sweet she says why do you do that its over. Finally she invites me to her sister's bday...but says 5 min before i go out that she cant make it (felt sick, wasn't a lie).
2 days later I invite her and she replys "It's all becoming utopic now, let it go".
I got mad and said that i'd stop talking to her but my insticts took me over and it lasted only 3 days. When I said hi she was with her friends at the beach,replied normally and told me to contact her the next day. I did but no reply ...so i write to her some hours later still no reply. I got mad and thought that's it im not contacting her anymore ,will do after I return home from my vacation( when I am right now). 2 days later i wake up finding that she deleted me from Instagram and facebook.
I ask why on whatsapp she says I put a lot of pressure on her and that she can't handle it anymore, she doesn't want any kind of contacts anymore, I reply "fine put your shit together" and she goes mad and blocks me there too.

So yeah all the story... dunno what to do. I really like her and while I don't think she has feelings for me as for right now she does enjoy going out with me. What bothers me the most is that the last time I saw here in person we had lots of fun and all the dramas started online , she never gave me the chance to meet her in person again. What am I supposed to do now?

Ask yourself these questions honestly:
- Do you enjoy manufactured drama?
- Do you enjoy hot/cold mind games?
- Do you really seriously want to keep pursuing someone who has deleted/blocked you from various outlets?

If you've answered no to any of these, move on.
 
Just to continue the discussion from the last page I don't think it's healthy to just try to better yourself to get a partner. So many people do this and don't stick to it because they did it for the wrong reasons (which I find leads to people breaking up). You should want to improve for yourself and then you'll actually make meaningful changes.

Not to mention a lot of the things people want to change are a gradual process. Like guys leave a relationship and then decide it's time to hit the gym but losing weight and building muscle takes time. Same as trying to get more hobbies and becoming more confident. Even trying to improve your financial situation. They're all things that should be a gradual process not just after you've broken up with someone.

When you're actually consistently bettering yourself I think people recognise that even if you're not currently where you want to be. So you should just start doing these things anyway regardless of whether you're trying to impress somebody. I also think you're fine to continue dating during this process. Even if things don't work out you can always learn from your experiences.
 
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