Karsticles
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No, it isn't...not unless you are changing the subject from the post you quoted without telling anyone.
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SSB for 3DS & U - Tourney Mode, Youtube Replay DLC Stages and Mii Costumes (K. Rool)
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Well lets compare it to Rhythm Heaven then.
Wonderful 101:
7 Trophies
2 Songs (not remixed, there since launch)
Rhythm Heaven:
5 Trophies
1 Smash Run Enemy
2 Songs (not remixed and were only just added with the Miiverse stage)
Yeah, really not that different.
It seems pretty clear that I, and the guy I quoted, was talking about the impact of the respective games in the FGC, not vague references to numbers that we're pulling out of a hat.
But I digress, this is a topic where people are bickering about Smash, not Street Fighter.
You're forgetting the fact that a Rhythm Heaven character (and probably a stage as well) was cut from the game. That's huge.
Shamrock7r
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It's a shame they don't do outfit dlc for characters other than the Mii Fighters.
For example, it would be very easy to make a Poo or Paula outfit for Ness, similar to how Olimar and Alph function. Very little would have to change.
For example, it would be very easy to make a Poo or Paula outfit for Ness, similar to how Olimar and Alph function. Very little would have to change.
Karsticles
Member
Yeah, and the numbers I am referring to are tournament participation. Hence growing YOY. You couldn't have thought I meant sales by that context, lol.
I would love Dry Bones Bowser.
You're forgetting the fact that a.....
Dammit
Agreed. The lack of any DLC Alts for the other characters right now is a huge missed opportunity for Nintendo. Hell, Capcom & NRS get a ton of money from said costumes, I'm surprised that Nintendo didn't follow suit with Smash 4.
You're talking about significant content already in the game. If you want to keep moving goalposts to fit your agenda be my guest but there also could've been a ton of other characters that were being worked on that had any evidence removed from the final code.
That still doesn't change the point. Rhythm Heaven is gigantic in Japan & is a cult hit in the West. W101 has a small cult following in the West (which I count myself among) & is almost non-existent in Japan. And if we're talking about cut content, there was not even a single reference towards a W101 character or stage in the files.
Then that also brings into another issue when talking about the Fighter Ballot. If the Rhythm Heaven kids were always intended to be in the game then their inclusion will have nothing to do with the ballot and therefore they aren't competing with anyone but themselves (ie actually making them a viable fighter with moves).
Also I don't think there was ever a Rhythm Heaven stage file.
All the new franchises got stages (in fact, every franchise except ROB's has a stage on the Wii U). It's a pretty safe to assume that the RH rep would have come with a stage.....at least on the Wii U version.
But the thing with the ballot is that it was never advertised as a "the winner will get in the game" kind of deal. While I'm sure they'll consider the Top 10-15 characters, it's more of a suggestion box than an actual election.
Ok, and why is this suddenly a "rule" Sakurai must now always follow? Also, why do you pretend you are 100% certain that this rule MUST be followed? We don't know what may happen to the Ballot (which, let me remind people, is still going on so NO characters that are created due to the ballot won't be coming until like May) yet everyone here is taking the K Rool costume as gospel that he was cast out of the ballot and using it as a pretense to scream how Sakurai is "ruining" the franchise, again. Or talking about how X character is somehow absolutely NEVER going to be in the game.
My agenda is what, exactly?
I wasn't arguing that, I'm saying that there hasn't been any indication of them being in the game outside of their character file. No stage file has been found which likely means they were scrapped because they couldn't come up with a way to make them a character with viable moves that worked. If it's the chorus kids there are tons of issues they could've ran into, whether it could be something similar to the Ice Climbers with the AI or something as simple as how 3 separate characters would look bounded together.
I'm going by his recent statement on being less inclined to add characters from franchises with no future. Couple that with the post that I made about the ballot a minute ago.
PadWarrior
Member
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There is such a thing as detaching yourself from your own personal desires for the sake of an argument. Hell, I'm doing that right now (concerning my desire to see Wonder Red as playable in the game).
If you're referring to a character reveal, I doubt it since I don't think we're getting a character in this update. If you mean the Dr. Mario stage, then maybe.
That's great, we don't know if someone is doing that when they're avatar is blatantly championing for the one character they're arguing for. Ultimately at this point I'm satisfied with the roster as it is, so I don't really care about who gets put in. Playing down certain characters when others are and have been in similar situations is where I think there's an issue.
I've repeatedly said in past months that I don't think the Chorus Kids are going to be DLC. Believe it or not, it's possible to separate bias from objectivity, which is something you can't seem to do with The Wonderful 101.
Hero Prinny
Member
LMFAOOOOOOOO the funny thing is that you're being totally serious.
And this makes it 100% a new rule Sakurai must follow? Why do you do this? It just makes people pissed off because you act like you're director of Smash and absolutely know what's coming next.
If you call that detaching yourself, then you're doing a pretty poor job of it yourself. Please please please quite pretending that you know all the answers and replying to everyone "but X PROVES 100% without a single doubt that what you want will not happen"
Ok, the fact that your avatar is the Chorus Kids still makes your argument suspect with regards to any form of objectivity. It's like a Democrat with 20 bumper stickers on their car trying to be objective about the Republican party, sure it's possible I guess but how much objectivity is really going into the discussion from someone like that?
Also as I just said I don't care who gets put in at this point, I'm just calling out people who have bias against certain characters for reasons that go against other characters as well.
It's the most recent piece of information that we have right now. I even noted that Sakurai does have a tendency of going back on his word, but we don't know that he will right now. That's an unknown factor that we can't rely on for the sake of an debate at the moment.
On-topic, they're sure taking their sweet time with the Dr. Mario stage reveal. It leaked, Nintendo, might as well show it.
We already did. Lloyd Irving, A bear(?), and Flying Man got mii fighter costumes.
The most recent discussion has been about if we get a sudden character tomorrow.
I think we'll get 2 more (1 brawl vet and 1 newcomer) before the year's end totalling 6 DLC fighters which follows my 2 melee, 2 brawl, 2 newcomer theory for DLC this year.
Edit: You edited it, oh. Awkward lol.
This I agree with, & I don't expect any ballot characters to happen until early next year since the odds of us getting characters in this update are slim.
Steve Youngblood
Member
At a certain point, doesn't speculating about the scientific reasoning behind the likelihood of a character's inclusion just start getting tedious to some of you? I mean, I get it. You flip on ESPN and they're going to expert takes on who is going to win the Big Game tonight, and people are going to have some rationale behind their picks. People like that kind of speculation, and those who really fancy themselves as having great intuition or an amazing grasp of sabermetrics like to think they they get it right more often than not. I don't think there's anything wrong with these kinds of predictions.
But at a certain point, everyone just kind of agrees that the conversation is no longer fruitful and concedes that ultimately the outcome is decided by the actual game playing out and not by who has the most compelling argument for what is likely to happen.
Where am I going with this? I may only be speaking for myself here, but this argument over the last page has been terrible to read. At the end of the day, Sakurai and his team are going to put in whatever character they like and/or think will make a great addition to the game. Analyzing his thought process and making predictions can only be interesting for so long.
Mind you, this has nothing to do with people expressing a desire to see a character. I'm specifically singling out predictions here.
But at a certain point, everyone just kind of agrees that the conversation is no longer fruitful and concedes that ultimately the outcome is decided by the actual game playing out and not by who has the most compelling argument for what is likely to happen.
Where am I going with this? I may only be speaking for myself here, but this argument over the last page has been terrible to read. At the end of the day, Sakurai and his team are going to put in whatever character they like and/or think will make a great addition to the game. Analyzing his thought process and making predictions can only be interesting for so long.
Mind you, this has nothing to do with people expressing a desire to see a character. I'm specifically singling out predictions here.
The Bankslammer
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i want an ulala mii costume
I never knew I wanted this until now.
I want the Chorus Kids to be playable, but I realize that probably isn't going to happen. I believe they were cut for being too technically intensive, and DLC isn't going to solve that problem.
I'm not biased against Wonder-Red -- I have no feelings either way about him. I'm just trying to say that The Wonderful 101 was objectively an unsuccessful and ultimately forgettable game, and those kinds of IPs don't get characters in Smash Bros. TW101 is a "lucky to get an Assist Trophy" tier IP.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Rhythm Heaven is under represented in Smash. And this is due to a bunch of outside stuff. RH was supposed to get a lot, lot more in Smash 4, but circumstances prevented it.
101 is more comparable to Fossil Fighters, Glory of Hercules, Captain Rainbow and the Last Story. Which all have stuff ranging from trophies to music (Hercules actually got lucky with this), but really don't have all that much. By comparing 101 to them, 101 actually has quite a lot more content than they do, even if 101 is the same size or even smaller than those series.
Ninten for Ness would make me super happy.
ErrorMacro
Member
Completely agreed. Even if not for different characters as outfis, but at least clothing variations, like Skyward Sword Zelda or Sport's Peach.
Right you want the chorus kids to be playable and Wonder-Red is supposed competition to the Chorus Kids in your eyes so therefore you do have something against him even if you say otherwise.
Also I think you need to look up what objective means when claiming that a game is forgettable, people that have actually played the game to completion would call it anything but "forgettable".
And Kid Icarus Uprising is over-represented in my opinion but that doesn't bring anything to the discussion so I see no point in bringing it up. Rhythm Heaven's representation is what it is in the game and ultimately it isn't much different from Wonderful 101 or any other franchise you just edited in.
glad
to see smash roster discussion hasn't changed one bit since release. DLC filled everyone with the craziest of hopes.
Leaps just as wide as before, maybe wider now, since the poll lets you actually give input.
Looking forward to hyrule castle tomorrow, I miss that stage.
(j/k)
Leaps just as wide as before, maybe wider now, since the poll lets you actually give input.
Looking forward to hyrule castle tomorrow, I miss that stage.
Most of the characters themselves are more left-field than how they play. Ryu is a bit of both, unexpected in his inclusion & his play-style. Though Pac-Man, Little Mac, & Rosalina do fall under the left-field in terms of how they play as well.
Apparently not.
AnkiRendan
Member
I think what's crazier is Ninten not being a Ness alt.
ErrorMacro
Member
Don't forget about people trying to find crazy patterns in Sakurai's decisions.
Geminosity
Member
Less inclined is so vague that I'm not really sure it's worth worrying about. If the chances of something dropped by 1% because it was from a 'dead' franchise that's still 'less inclined'. Also, this is the guy who said he wouldn't put villager in the game or a fighting character yet we have Villager and Ryu.
You might as well just start arguing that you saw signs in the tea leaves or read bumps on someone's head that said a suggested character won't get in
Agreed. Good post :3
Ooh. Do want :3
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On the whole topic of things like 'rules' about who gets in and whatnot I really hope people weren't discouraged from voting on a character they liked just because it had an assist trophy or the like in. It'd be a shame if people just gave up on something they're passionate about just because of arbitrary imagined restrictions.
While some joked about Nintendog, Vital Tundra mentioned Dark Samus as a character they liked and I think they'd make for a great addition partially because the movesets almost all there already. A bit of tweaking and her transition to playable would be complete and best of all it wouldn't require a lot of work meaning potentially even more characters :3
I definitely think the speculation gets tedious after a while. Especially when people start treating their speculative arguments as facts. Despite the countless of times people have been wrong about predicting Sakurai and roster, people still create their own criteria and toss him around like it's fact.
"Assist trophies can't be playable."
"Games P has bad sales, so no character."
"Series Q has two games, so no more characters."
Sure it's inevitable that people will make assumptions about the roster and many are pretty reasonable. I certainly speculate a lot. But people treating their own speculation as if it's a fact gets pretty annoying. Heck, even when it's based off something Sakurai said, it's still difficult to be 100% sure most of the time. The man can change his opinion at any point.
I know man, I just saw it and I'm freaking out, mixed parts joy and disappointment.
Vital Tundra
Member
All these Mii costumes and not a single alt for existing characters. The fuck Sakurai? Why would character alts not be a priority? You know, something usable in all modes.
Geminosity
Member
I've already voted on the ballot but seeing all these mii costumes is making me wish I'd voted for 'mii fighters' as a playable character with a note saying "LET ME PLAY THEM IN ONLINE MATCHES VS STRANGERS DAMMIT"
I'd kind of also like to see more mii movesets, like maybe a heavy weapon type (I joked about presea a few posts back, but the idea of a character lugging around a huge weapon kind of appeals to me, plus people say they'd like more heavy characters... via this method the mii is going to be heavy and slow just by virtue of their weapon
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I'd kind of also like to see more mii movesets, like maybe a heavy weapon type (I joked about presea a few posts back, but the idea of a character lugging around a huge weapon kind of appeals to me, plus people say they'd like more heavy characters... via this method the mii is going to be heavy and slow just by virtue of their weapon
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Ooh! actual alts would be nice too. Especially for characters with less interesting current colour swaps. Some characters I would actually play if they had a better skin to pick (e.g. shiek with a hyrule warriors skin... WANT. Also I already play Zelda from time to time but I'd love a Skyward Sword skin as despite my overwhelming love for fairytales I've never been hugely into the whole princess thing)
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Oh, no, I definitely don't think they're in competition with each other. I don't think The Wonderful 101 is important enough to get a character in the first place. Rhythm Heaven would already have a character if it weren't for technical issues.
Just because something is forgettable doesn't mean the few people who played it can't enjoy it. In a broader sense, the game didn't leave an impact. It was poorly marketed, it didn't sell well, it wasn't a critical hit, and there isn't a sequel in production. It's no different than Pandora's Tower, The Last Story, Captain Rainbow, Drill Dozer, Eternal Darkness, or any of the countless other one-offs released throughout Nintendo's history. The Internet's cult worship of PlatinumGames gives The Wonderful 101 an air of distinction that it really hasn't earned.
I don't mind people making predictions, or analyzing perceived trends. I just wish more people would do so with a sense of humility, acknowledging that at the end of the day, anything and everything could happen, and we're all limited in how much we can actually predict.
You'll partially get your wish with Tourney Mode.I've already voted on the ballot but seeing all these mii costumes is making me wish I'd voted for 'mii fighters' as a playable character with a note saying "LET ME PLAY THEM IN ONLINE MATCHES VS STRANGERS DAMMIT"
I'd kind of also like to see more mii movesets, like maybe a heavy weapon type (I joked about presea a few posts back, but the idea of a character lugging around a huge weapon kind of appeals to me, plus people say they'd like more heavy characters... via this method the mii is going to be heavy and slow just by virtue of their weapon
akidnamededdy
Banned
The next new character will be Doctor Mister L and anyone who says otherwise is a fucking idiot.
Everyone calm down sheesh.
Everyone calm down sheesh.