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[Discotheque]

You know what the sad thing is? Control dropped almost 2 years ago and no one has even come close in terms of impact and quality when it comes to diss tracks....AND THAT WASNT EVEN A FUCKING DISS TRACK. He challenged everyone to step up their bars and only KRIT and Cole stepped up.

Control had that energy but I always found it overrated, back to back is a better track. More entertaining bars and flow too

Though it wasn't really a diss song from kendrick, I imagine if he put out a direct diss it would be pretty beastly

 

[Glass Rebel]

Control had that energy but I always found it overrated, back to back is a better track. More entertaining bars and flow too

Though it wasn't really a diss song from kendrick, I imagine if he put out a direct diss it would be pretty beastly

stop it slime

 

[Gaz_RB]

Well Back to Back is at number 4 on iTunes Singles.

Apparently he has a new song called Right Hand? Sounds bad.

Both Right Hand and Hotline Bling are super catchy, low effort tracks.

 

[Majestad]

What beef response Krit put out? I hope you ain't talking about Mt. Olympus.

Mt. Olympus acknowledges the Control verse, yet it is its own thing. That's the brilliance of it, not to mention he murders the track and every other current generation rappers.

If Meek Mill was a good rapper, or a smart person, he would have acknowledged the Drake ghost writting incident, but then also made one of his best songs ever. He doesn't have skills like that.

Anyone remembers that shitty Control response Meek did? Dude has some problems.

 

[Vire]

https://soundcloud.com/vaunty/track-to-track

 

[Kyzer]

He is not selling the song, how can they do anything?

Just sue every rapper who put out a mixtape because of unauthorized samples.

It doesn't matter you're not allowed to use copyrighted material without permission of all rights owners, and yeah technically all those rappers could be sued and every youtuber that uploads shit that's not theirs. They don't have to give you a cease and desist first either.

 

[Cheddahz]

WWE Not Happy About Meek Mill Sampling the Undertaker's Theme on Drake Diss Track

 

[cyborg009]

https://soundcloud.com/vaunty/track-to-track

We need a Space Jam version.

 

[Kyzer]

I'm really surprised, with how long it took, and the amount of people involved, they didn't get sample clearance...jahlil Swizz flex meek his producer and admins all dropped the ball

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I'm really surprised, with how long it took, and the amount of people involved, they didn't get sample clearance...jahlil Swizz flex meek his producer and admins all dropped the ball

If they don't sell the track I don't think they have anything to worry about. All sorts of free mixtapes use uncleared samples all the time.

 

[Cheddahz]

I think the WWE is just embarrassed that the diss track was weak

 

[Kyzer]

If they don't sell the track I don't think they have anything to worry about. All sorts of free mixtapes use uncleared samples all the time.

I assure you its for a variety of reasons other than it actually being okay. Meek has money. They have reason to pursue litigation. Why would Warner Bros or universal or sony go after some kid with a SoundCloud or YouTube with remixes from video games or other songs? It wouldn't get them any money and they would lose money. They either don't know or choose not to pursue it, maybe because its good promo or they have that kind of policy or whatever

You're not allowed to use people's things for free. It's all the way up to the current debate of whether or not tweets are copyrighted

 

[Syntsui]

It doesn't matter you're not allowed to use copyrighted material without permission of all rights owners, and yeah technically all those rappers could be sued and every youtuber that uploads shit that's not theirs. They don't have to give you a cease and desist first either.

This can't be right, wow.

 

[Kyzer]

Yep that's why the line between "mixtape" and "free album" has become non existent. If you're legit you pay producers for beats and publishers/writers/whatevz even for non profit promotional releases, or at least get clearance to use it otherwise anyways

 

[Syntsui]

Risky business to release a mixtape and get famous out of the blue.

 

[Kyzer]

Risky business to release a mixtape and get famous out of the blue.

That's why when artists sign their music vanishes

I think burden of clearance is on the artist and I bet newbie label CEO meek didn't think to do it....

 

[jaypah]

https://soundcloud.com/vaunty/track-to-track

This is now the default version of this song for me.

 

[Maximus.]

Kudos to Meek for keeping Nicki through all of this though.

I will be honestly surprised if it lasts too much longer.

 

[SyenceLabb]

Is it just me, or does anything Drake related bring out emotions in a lot of people?

 

[jaypah]

Is it just me, or does anything Drake related bring out emotions in a lot of people?

That's popular things in general.

 

[JrBaconCheeseburger]

One thing i have noticed in this "beef" circus.


Anyone and everyone has something to say about meek mills diss track.

Even people who we have not heard from are coming out the woodwork.

Personally i like some drake songs and i think meek mills souns like he is shouting on all his music and he looks like a frog.

 

[jstripes]

I think the WWE is just embarrassed that the diss track was weak

This is it. Normally they wouldn't care, but in this case there's so much attention and they really don't wanna be associated with it.

 

[Trey]

http://www.tmz.com/2015/08/01/meek-mill-wwe-undertaker-entrance-song-wwe-drake-diss-song/

looking in to doing fuck all. WWE going to waste every body's time with going after a rapper dropping a free song that sampled a part of their IP.

also back to back is a mediocre song and a light diss. You can tell he was pulling punches or boxing with oven mitts on, probably for nicki's sake. No heart, no fire, one or two sort of clever lines. I just don't think pointing out Nicki minaj is more famous than Meek is that strong a diss.

 

[Acrylic7]

http://www.tmz.com/2015/08/01/meek-mill-wwe-undertaker-entrance-song-wwe-drake-diss-song/

If its a mix CD there is nothing they can do right? He isn't selling the track or anything, is he?

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I assure you its for a variety of reasons other than it actually being okay. Meek has money. They have reason to pursue litigation. Why would Warner Bros or universal or sony go after some kid with a SoundCloud or YouTube with remixes from video games or other songs? It wouldn't get them any money and they would lose money. They either don't know or choose not to pursue it, maybe because its good promo or they have that kind of policy or whatever

You're not allowed to use people's things for free. It's all the way up to the current debate of whether or not tweets are copyrighted

I had no idea. Damn I guess it does make sense though. How crazy would it be if Meek's legacy from all of this is not only taking a very public L, but also setting a precedence that ruins mix tape sampling for all rappers going forward?

 

[Trey]

I assure you its for a variety of reasons other than it actually being okay. Meek has money. They have reason to pursue litigation. Why would Warner Bros or universal or sony go after some kid with a SoundCloud or YouTube with remixes from video games or other songs? It wouldn't get them any money and they would lose money. They either don't know or choose not to pursue it, maybe because its good promo or they have that kind of policy or whatever

You're not allowed to use people's things for free. It's all the way up to the current debate of whether or not tweets are copyrighted

sounds kind of believable but I need to see some actual links. Because I was with you until you said you're not allowed to use people's stuff for free, which is not actually true. Fair use and all that, especially if you're not charging for the product.

Also, isn't the undertaker's theme itself but a variation of another song which is a part of the public domain?

 

[Kyzer]

sounds kind of believable but I need to see some actual links. Because I was with you until you said you're not allowed to use people's stuff for free, which is not actually true. Fair use and all that, especially if you're not charging for the product.

Also, isn't the undertaker's theme itself but a variation of another song which is a part of the public domain?

Look at it this way, what gives Meek Mill (or artist X) the right to distribute someone else's material that they make money distributing themselves? And sticking someone else's sounds in your sounds is not fair use, whether you profit from it or not, especially when its something thats so easily construed as promotional material, like free music. I could provide you with links or you could just look it up lol

I had no idea. Damn I guess it does make sense though. How crazy would it be if Meek's legacy from all of this is not only taking a very public L, but also setting a precedence that ruins mix tape sampling for all rappers going forward?

The tightening around mixtapes already happened a while ago, I don't think anything would change. The only reason these companies don't pursue people is because it would be a loss of money and time. You cant make money off broke people

Edit: by the way, serious underground artists that are really trying to make it know better than to use copyrighted material, and DJs, promoters, hosts, and everybody else will get on your case if you come out and try to perform and its a remix over a copyrighted beat. People get away with a lot because what are the odds someone related to a royalty collection organization or publisher is there? But people who are professionals know...they are SMHing whenever rappers come out and do remixes, some will even stop it and kick them off. It can get them all in trouble. Also samples are especially easy to get away with because even if everyone recognizes the sample, the combination of copyright law convolution and crazy odds that anyone would care or be losing money based on that specific sample make it so no one says anything to anyone.

 

[FStop7]

Meek's career is far from over. No one will care in 6 months time.

His career will survive but his image is tarnished. He'll never be able to have a beef with anyone again. All they have to do is mention "Remember the time you got dragged by the Perry Como of hip hop?" and the discussion is over.

Nobody cares that Drake didn't write his stuff. Rick Ross was a cop and nobody cares, ffs. Drake using ghostwriters is meaningless in comparison. It's all meaningless.

 

[RocketRacoon]

The cornerstone of the problem is no one thinks Drake is a top notch lyricist so the revelation he doesn't write doesn't really matter.

If this was fucking Black Thought being exposed as using a ghost or something it would be crazy, but it's drake.

"YOLO, Erreday, Erreday, Erreday"

I don't mind if track didn't write that.

 

[oneHeero]

Ran into this on ktt. It's a response from drake back in 2013. I like how it came true for him lol. That's exactly what he made.

You did strike back at Common after he dissed you last year.

Obviously, the whole tension with that whole camp has been brewing for a long time, and that was the first time someone had called me out personally. I reacted in a very poised way. First of all, I made sure it would run in the club because that’s more painful than anything. As opposed to just being on a blog, I wanted to be on a record that you would have to stand around and hear every night for a few months. That was my whole strategy going into that. Instead of sounding hurt and malicious, I wanted to sound fun, get my shit off. Like I said, if it happens again, not that I want it, not that I welcome it, but I’m ready. I really enjoy writing bars, man. I’m not nervous about anybody saying anything to me.

 

[Cabbagehead]

Ran into this on ktt. It's a response from drake back in 2013. I like how it came true for him lol. That's exactly what he made.

[QUOTE Like I said, if it happens again, not that I want it, not that I welcome it, but I’m ready. I really enjoy writing bars, man. I’m not nervous about anybody saying anything to me.][/QUOTE]

bruh and then some.

 

[K.Jack]

Nah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYYxqquxz6c&ab_channel=XXL

He has some bangers. I dont know why he didn't just fucking RAP like this. This is fire.

Fucking FIRE. If he did this for a whole album, I'd be a huge fan.

 

[Cabbagehead]

Drake is up to some fuckery...

http://bleacherreport.com/uninterrupted/lebron-vs-drake-kickball-game-in-toronto

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Drake is up to some fuckery...

http://bleacherreport.com/uninterrupted/lebron-vs-drake-kickball-game-in-toronto

End a dude's career then play some kickball. That's a pretty nice weekend.

 

[Jigolo]

Drake is up to some fuckery...

http://bleacherreport.com/uninterrupted/lebron-vs-drake-kickball-game-in-toronto

that's pretty awesome

 

[KissVibes]

So did Drake write his verse on RICO or not?

 

[Fjordson]

So did Drake write his verse on RICO or not?

Outside of a few lines, yes.

Edit: or at least someone other than Quentin Miller did

 

[Red_Man]

Drake's going to annihilate Meek at OVOFest. I actually want to go now to witness it live, Meek has given him so much to work with. Crowd will go nuts when he does Back 2 Back.

 

[x24hrs2livex]

The cornerstone of the problem is no one thinks Drake is a top notch lyricist so the revelation he doesn't write doesn't really matter.

If this was fucking Black Thought being exposed as using a ghost or something it would be crazy, but it's drake.

"YOLO, Erreday, Erreday, Erreday"

I don't mind if track didn't write that.

Exactly. I am not a fan of either but no real hip-hop head is running around proclaiming Drizzy to have bars for days. He makes good records and thats it. Shit Kanye has a huge following and actually does have some bars, but most people already know he doesn't write his shit.

As far as this whole beef goes its pretty stupid. Charged Up was trash. Back2Back was okay and had some funny lines but it wasn't on the level of Ether/Takeover. Wanna Know was just garbage. Meek was talking about stuff the general public doesn't know about. But Meek's sister did come with some fire compared to her bro.

 

[block tower]

Incredible.....Jesus.
Standards have dropped. I feel old.

don't. Hiphop has taken over pop culture much like a lot of black oriented things, so things get lost in translation. Drake is a POP artist , but to the casual mainstream listener he is a hiphop artist to them so they wave all the history of hiphop, all the rules and cultural nuances because of ignorance and make hyperbolic statements about Drake and his music like most pop fans. hell most of this thread looks identical to a PopGaf thread. just realize you won't get reasonable discussions from a hiphop perspective about this beef at this point. I'm only 24 and reading the absurd comments in this thread makes me feel like dust lol. real hiphop hasn't gone anywhere and neither have the fans, we just have to accept there more crossover in the genre and that means an influx of people who dont really like hiphop, just certain artists within the genre who embody a sounds they like.

So did Drake write his verse on RICO or not?

no . Quentin Miller wrote it and did a reference track then Drake did glorified karaoke and got his feature check from MMG.

 

[KissVibes]

Follow up question: Why is Meek's response track so bad? His response to Kendrick's control verse was actually really good, I thought: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ligGguhHu5U

So what the hell happened here? Did he not want to put in the effort for Drake, but does for Kendrick?

 

[Red_Man]

Follow up question: Why is Meek's response track so bad? His response to Kendrick's control verse was actually really good, I thought: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ligGguhHu5U

So what the hell happened here? Did he not want to put in the effort for Drake, but does for Kendrick?

Probably didn't expect Drake to come at him so hard and so fast. Drake dropping Back 2 Back forced Meek's hand, and it's obvious he wasn't ready.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Follow up question: Why is Meek's response track so bad? His response to Kendrick's control verse was actually really good, I thought: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ligGguhHu5U

So what the hell happened here? Did he not want to put in the effort for Drake, but does for Kendrick?

I think he and his people overestimated how much impact the whole ghostwriting and reference track thing would have. He probably thought that alone would hit Drake and his answer track would just be like gravy. The reality is that he just had no real ammo or reason to go at Drake and his weak response highlights that.

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

don't. Hiphop has taken over pop culture much like a lot of black oriented things, so things get lost in translation. Drake is a POP artist , but to the casual mainstream listener he is a hiphop artist to them so they wave all the history of hiphop, all the rules and cultural nuances because of ignorance and make hyperbolic statements about Drake and his music like most pop fans. hell most of this thread looks identical to a PopGaf thread. just realize you won't get reasonable discussions from a hiphop perspective about this beef at this point. I'm only 24 and reading the absurd comments in this thread makes me feel like dust lol. real hiphop hasn't gone anywhere and neither have the fans, we just have to accept there more crossover in the genre and that means an influx of people who dont really like hiphop, just certain artists within the genre who embody a sounds they like.




no . Quentin Miller wrote it and did a reference track then Drake did glorified karaoke and got his feature check from MMG.

I cant stand this excuse. Pop doesnt mean you have to be wack. JayZ is pop but didnt release a weak ass diss track, he released a classic, Em is pop, Pac and Big where pop. And in terms of lyrics, Kdot is currently pop that doesnt stop em. So i dont care how pop said rapper is, weak shit is weak shit.

 

[RiderKairuu]

If the WWE is gonna sue Meek, they should sue Smoke DZA as well. Dude has used the Taker sampler along with several other wrestler themes. He has an entire series of wrestling themed mixtapes called Ringside.

 

[block tower]

I cant stand this excuse. Pop doesnt mean you have to be wack. JayZ is pop but didnt release a weak ass diss track, he released a classic, Em is pop, Pac and Big where pop. And in terms of lyrics, Kdot is currently pop that doesnt stop em. So i dont care how pop said rapper is, weak shit is weak shit.

this thread keeps on giving

 

[Kyzer]

I cant stand this excuse. Pop doesnt mean you have to be wack. JayZ is pop but didnt release a weak ass diss track, he released a classic, Em is pop, Pac and Big where pop. And in terms of lyrics, Kdot is currently pop that doesnt stop em. So i dont care how pop said rapper is, weak shit is weak shit.

 

[DietRob]

Pac and Big where pop. .

 

[Ninja Scooter]

depends on your definition. Some people take "pop" to mean soft, whereas others seem to use it to describe something that has crossed over and has mainstream appeal. Using that definition I'd definitely say Pac and Biggie were pop.

 

[Discotheque]

1st super bumpable diss track since takeover. This shit can actually work in clubs. And it is.

That ether that will be in meek's soul when he's at the stripclub and 'back to back' plays. good lord...