Dark Souls 3 Trailer (Gamescom 2015)
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DoubleTake
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just noticed at 1:22 the player casts some sort of shout or force that staggers the enemy.
I could, sure, but I figured burden of proof would be on the one making the original claim.
When I think of 'oddball' fights, I think of the non-traditional ones where you tend to do more than going up to a boss and hitting it until it dies while dodging its attacks. You tend to do that, and then more.
That said, here's a list of bosses from Bloodborne that I feel fit that criteria:
Micolash
Witch of Hemwick
Yharnam
Rom
The One Reborn
Witch of Hemwick
Yharnam
Rom
The One Reborn
I'd add Father G and The First Hunter up there, but those lean toward traditional fights regardless of how much they ask from the player to know how to actually fight and not swing in one place wacking a huge hitbox.
DaciaJC
Gold Member
Well, there's Micolash as far as unorthodox layouts go. That's the only one that readily comes to mind.
The Xtortionist
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I would cut
Queen Yharnam and add Celestial Emissary (have to find him among the crowd) and Shadows of Yharnam (since there's three of them).
Nothing wrong with either slugfest or gimmick fights, but it's all about the balance. DeS goes a bit too hard on gimmick fights, DaS2 features a bit too many slugfests, and I feel that DaS1 and BB are pretty balanced between the two.
Mr. Poolman
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I need to see more to be sure, but I'm not too fond of "Bloodborne speed" on my Dark Souls.
I truly liked DS2's gameplay and expected more
I truly liked DS2's gameplay and expected more
Conkerkid11
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"I'm about to be split open by this giant knight. I should slowly take a swig of this potion as dramatically as possible."I need to see more to be sure, but I'm not too fond of "Bloodborne speed" on my Dark Souls.
I truly liked DS2's gameplay and expected more
Celestial I can see an argument about, considering you're dealing with a swarm of enemies trying to find the real boss. It's a better implementation of DS2's Royal Rat Vanguard.
Shadows? Eh, that's more of a ganksquad that asks that your dodge game be on point once one of them hits less than half HP.
I think Yharnam is def an outlier given how there's actual phases to the fight and several mechanics to take into account (like not attacking when the baby is crying or focus on the one with the bloody dress). The Queen plays out like an endgame Zelda boss, which doesn't really occur in the Souls games IIRC.
Shadows? Eh, that's more of a ganksquad that asks that your dodge game be on point once one of them hits less than half HP.
I think Yharnam is def an outlier given how there's actual phases to the fight and several mechanics to take into account (like not attacking when the baby is crying or focus on the one with the bloody dress). The Queen plays out like an endgame Zelda boss, which doesn't really occur in the Souls games IIRC.
EatChildren
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Micolash and maybe Witches I'll pay, but most of Bloodborne's enemies still revolve around "you are in an arena; dodge attacks and hit them for damage". Even if they have areas of their body that deal more damage or are prone to stun the formula is relatively the same and the creativity is more weighted on how the enemy fights and your adaptability to that fight. I don't mean to imply they're all the same, because they're obviously not.
More that I'd like to see more stuff like Demon's Tower Knight and Adjudicator where you must attack a weak point or something to expose an enemy's real point of damage.
More that I'd like to see more stuff like Demon's Tower Knight and Adjudicator where you must attack a weak point or something to expose an enemy's real point of damage.
Had to increase my brightness, you're totally right.
The Xtortionist
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I would argue that Shadows of Yharnam are anything but a gank squad. Their AI routines are asynchronous (as opposed to AI hunters), so the player can manipulate and exploit them without any unintended trickery. Using the large pillar is key for positioning, and there's a lot of room for strategy in the fight (whittle them down together? take one down first? which one do you take down first?). It's a fight with a lot of layers that just keeps growing on me.
OK, you sold me on Yharnam.
May I make an argument for Logarius? The phase shifts are pretty dramatically, with him going from a turtling spellcaster to a balls-to-the-wall melee attacker. It's a stark contrast that gives the fight a unique vibe, not to mention requires radically different tactics (initially chasing him down vs. switching to defense once he goes on the attack).
OK, you sold me on Yharnam.
May I make an argument for Logarius? The phase shifts are pretty dramatically, with him going from a turtling spellcaster to a balls-to-the-wall melee attacker. It's a stark contrast that gives the fight a unique vibe, not to mention requires radically different tactics (initially chasing him down vs. switching to defense once he goes on the attack).
Mr. Poolman
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"I'm never afraid of dying because I heal fully in less than a second"
Am I doing i right?
Stevey
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Marty-esque
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Looks incredible.
Weeaboosuke
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Yass, the BB influence is real. That speed. Those monsters. The blood. FUUU-
Miyazaki and Co. can have their way with me if this game ends up as good as I think it will.
Miyazaki and Co. can have their way with me if this game ends up as good as I think it will.
I see what you mean now that you mention Adjudicator - which is an awesome boss thematically and I totally forgot him. I would like to see more stuff like that too. I feel Bloodborne was refreshing in that regard over Dark Souls 2.
I'm also someone who enjoyed Dragon God of it being a complete jobber and being preceded by arguably the hardest boss in the game for melee characters. I'd like to see more of both of them in games. One's a fun level to explore and less of a traditional boss fight, and the other is just cheap as fuck with random attack combos it'll stop early to mess with players.
I never thought about Shadows like that before. You're right there's an element of strategy needed to fight them since the fight gets progressively more difficult the more damage you do on them. They're a step above the actual ganksquad in Dark Souls 2's first DLC - which was lazy as hell. So yeah, I think Shadows can work.
Logarius is good too. Sort of like Yharnam in that its a boss with several mechanics to know except not as much, and only having two phases to deal with. Oddly enough Logarius and Yharnam play more like raid bosses than your standard Souls fare.
Logarius is good too. Sort of like Yharnam in that its a boss with several mechanics to know except not as much, and only having two phases to deal with. Oddly enough Logarius and Yharnam play more like raid bosses than your standard Souls fare.
Nope. There's legit risk in attacking an enemy to regain health fast enough.
WhiskerFrisker
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"Let me use this life gem that takes forever to heal while facing certain death."
I need to see more to be sure, but I'm not too fond of "Bloodborne speed" on my Dark Souls.
I truly liked DS2's gameplay and expected more
Dark Souls 2 is even slower than Dark Souls 1. No thank you do not want.
wut
Why would they change the logo now?
Perhaps the Darksign was an allusion to an eclipse all along
Yeah a few bosses that are a bit more videogame'y would be cool. Tower Knight was a cool fight
If they gut weight and magic again I'll be extremely disappointed and I hate magic and never wear heavy armor. At least it look like there are no trick weapons to murder the weapon variety.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Seems like the first From Software game I can completely go on black out.
I am not that hyped, but I am still hyped. Get what I mean ?
I am not that hyped, but I am still hyped. Get what I mean ?
Yeah I kinda get it. If this comes out next year, that means 3 Souls games in 3 years and there will most likely have been DLC in between as well. It will eventually tire you out and will eventually lose its magic.
Neverforget
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Epic soundtrack! I'm not interested in playing DS games but the trailer was cool.
I suspect you're using this to highlight instances of aliasing, but hnnng it looks SO GOOD. Can you screencap the fat knight that runs around on all fours? And the Mindflayer-like woman wandering the prison?good grief that uncompressed trailer
The difference is that one is designed to punish and eventually kill you for repeatedly making mistakes on your end, so it's fine for you to get all your health back in a second: You'll still die regardless unless you learn to play better, because the game is designed to punish you for playing badly.
The other is designed to kill you by straight-up overwhelming you to the point that you can't make a wrong decision (not a mistake, there's a difference). In that case they can't let you heal instantly since you would just win everytime and never die, because the game isn't trying to punish your mistakes, it's just trying to brute force you down to 0 health. In turn that allows them to give you multiple ways to heal yourself which the player has to manage.
One is dance-like and built around being on point in regards to taking advantage of an enemies moveset and weaknesses, and preventing them from doing the same to you; the other is built around enemy/character management and staying in controll regardless of what is thrown at you. Two completely different aproaches to enemy encounter that would be broken if you swapped their healing mechanics.
...we are?
Donovan1209
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The combat appears much faster than even Bloodborne... I can't wait.
Mild-Mannered Pate narrating the game eh?
piccio_ssl
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there is an embargo that will lift tomorrow
some youtubers had already played and recorded the demo last week
nailbombxx
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DS2 had the most sluggish gameplay of the entire series, don't know why you'd want more of thatI need to see more to be sure, but I'm not too fond of "Bloodborne speed" on my Dark Souls.
I truly liked DS2's gameplay and expected more
DoubleTake
Member
Yep I just noticed this a couple of months back when the screenshots leaked.
Sorry for the bump. So apparently eclipses are supposed to be a big thing in DaS3. Got me thinking, what else in souls looks just like an eclipse?
The Dark Sign. Perhaps a true cure/resolution to the curse of the undead is in the works?
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
Not really since people obviously still died in Bloodborne.
Anyway, I'm sure there will be builds that rely less on speed and more on defense/armor/shields.
Maybe because my last DS2 character was a dual-wielding, dodging/rolling badass, but I think Demon's Souls is much slower than DS2.