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[Merc_]

I just find it repulsive. Bernie's track record both on his voting record as a senator and what he's done throughout his life isn't just some dream that he forgot to mention in the campaign, everything he talks about circles back to lower classes, this is blacks, as well as every other major minority block in America.

What really bothers me is that Hillary has been in major support all throughout her career of garbage initiatives that essentially punish us through drug referendums and incarceration, only crawling back to secure a voting block.

I can tell you now, the majority of the black vote who support her now don't even know her platform, only who she is by proxy and who she is related to.

Its absolutely disgusting as a black male having to watch people being led around by this pony show.

My ultimate takeaway from this thread and the other one is that Bern's biggest obstacle for black outreach isn't really him, it's his supporters. I think if he gave a speech to a black audience, he'd be able to make a lot of connections with us. His supporters though, seem to be doing their best to piss off as many black folk as possible.

You should of seen some of the harassment of BLM that went on after Netroots and I can only imagine that more will follow due to this incident.

 

[werks]

I just find it repulsive. Bernie's track record both on his voting record as a senator and what he's done throughout his life isn't just some dream that he forgot to mention in the campaign, everything he talks about circles back to lower classes, this is blacks, as well as every other major minority block in America.

What really bothers me is that Hillary has been in major support all throughout her career of garbage initiatives that essentially punish us through drug referendums and incarceration, only crawling back to secure a voting block.

I can tell you now, the majority of the black vote who support her now don't even know her platform, only who she is by proxy and who she is related to.

Its absolutely disgusting as a black male having to watch people being led around by this pony show.

I don't believe you, don't you know that all Bernie stans are diet racists. Twittervism is the only thing that matters.

 

[FiggyCal]

https://www.facebook.com/BLMSeattle

Is it this one that was made less than a day ago with a picture of two girls at the top in swimwear for some reason?

Edit: Stupid question

Those aren't just "two girls"...

 

[theecakee]

Yes, actually. Either that or beef up his security.

But his huff and puff and walk off the stage bit is only going to guarantee that this happens whenever there's a window for it to. Not to mention destroy his chance at the black vote.

What was he suppose to do? It wasn't his event, the organizers were saying that they could speak after Bernie did and Bernie was stepping away to let them speak.

Did you not see how hostile they were screaming in his face? I don't think its that wrong he was a little upset huffing and puffing.

 

[Clefargle]

I agree with the movement, but I don't get why they keep showing up a Bernie rallies.

 

[PhoenixDark]

My ultimate takeaway from this thread and the other one is that Bern's biggest obstacle for black outreach isn't really him, it's his supporters. I think if he gave a speech to a black audience, he'd be able to make a lot of connections with us. His supporters though, seem to be doing their best to piss off as many black folk as possible.

You should of seen some of the harassment of BLM that went on after Netroots and I can only imagine that more will follow due to this incident.

Like this?

 

[Indicate]

internet says these folks are not BLM and are some group called Outside Agitators 206.

So basically, your typical left wing whackos that show up to throw shit at G8 Summits and the like.

https://outsideagitators206.org/blog/seattle-says-bowdownbernie/

Marissa Johnson, an organizer for Outside Agitators 206

This article from socialworker.org confirms it.

 

[Trouble]

I don't believe the soros conspiracy.

What I do find suspect is that these people started their activism yesterday and created their own Seattle page yesterday, when one already exists. Were they part of the Seattle BLM movement the whole time, disagreed with the existing movement and splintered off to protest. Or did they never engage the existing BLM movement and literally try to co opt BLM Seattle movement on their own.

Seems more opportunistic self promoting rather than activism.

I'm getting the same vibe. The media contact info being right at the top of a pretty empty facebook page seems telling to me.

 

[BeerSnob]

I agree with the movement, but I don't get why they keep showing up a Bernie rallies.

He's a longshot candidate with little media backing and very little money. Basically, you could personally sink his campaign with a twitter account and a megaphone.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

Well I don't think some people necessary cares what some people has done a while ago( they probably do care , but care more about actual plans now ). Also, it was probably just some random people, the last protest probably would have been the last one if it weren't for these people who probably was acting on their own( if you know what I mean). It did not seem these people new what they were doing.

"Plans now" is an easy cop out to say they don't know anything about the guy. He's always supported ideas that help improve the lives of minorities. He has a good track record from the 60s to the 2010s of doing this. His actions speak louder than his words. It's different when you ask other candidates who've been more or less not on the side of progress because then you can actually catch them. With Bernie you're just having him restate himself.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

I've only seen one interview with Bernie Sanders, I can't remember which one, but he really dismissed race issues. It's the only thing that I find disappointing about him. When asked about racial issues, he said it was more of a class issue and if you "strengthen the lives of -all- American middle class", lives would improve for blacks. Pretty naïve I think.

 

[thepotatoman]

So, it wasn't a Bernie Sanders rally; it was an event for Social Security and Medicare.

Also, it looks like a Twitter account associated with the Seattle chapter of Black Lives Matter issued an apology for the disruption; that apology was echoed by a Facebook account also associated with the Seattle chapter of Black Lives Matter.

However, another Facebook page associated with a Seattle chapter of Black Lives Matter took responsibility for the protest.

So, at the very best, the first part of the thread title is half true, and the second part of the thread title isn't true at all. I wish there was some way to update it.

Actually, to my knowledge Black Lives Matter has never disrupted or protested a Bernie Sanders rally. Netroots Nation was a gathering of online progressive activists at which Sanders was invited to speak, and the event today was a rally for Social Security and Medicare; although, this protest seemed more specifically targeted at Sanders.

The twitter account clarified that it isn't an official BLM account, just a teenager stating their own opinion.

The facebook account was created hours ago and is likely fake.

I don't know if there's an official web presence for black lives matter seattle.

 

[Infinite]

I've only seen one interview with Bernie Sanders, I can't remember which one, but he really dismissed race issues. It's the only thing that I find disappointing about him. When asked about racial issues, he said it was more of a class issue and if you "strengthen the lives of -all- American middle class", lives would improve for blacks. Pretty naïve I think.

Yeah it is. It does little to improve the state black Americans are in if you aren't also specifically dismantling what ailing our communities.

 

[Enron]

You should of seen some of the harassment of BLM that went on after Netroots and I can only imagine that more will follow due to this incident.

Those who harass should not be surprised when they themselves are harassed.

 

[dehydratedbabies]

I've only seen one interview with Bernie Sanders, I can't remember which one, but he really dismissed race issues. It's the only thing that I find disappointing about him. When asked about racial issues, he said it was more of a class issue and if you "strengthen the lives of -all- American middle class", lives would improve for blacks. Pretty naïve I think.

Yeah it is. It does little to improve the state black Americans are in if you aren't also specifically dismantling what ailing our communities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDI-qzGPR_w

 

[gogosox82]

My ultimate takeaway from this thread and the other one is that Bern's biggest obstacle for black outreach isn't really him, it's his supporters. I think if he gave a speech to a black audience, he'd be able to make a lot of connections with us. His supporters though, seem to be doing their best to piss off as many black folk as possible.

You should of seen some of the harassment of BLM that went on after Netroots and I can only imagine that more will follow due to this incident.

But he has spoken to a black audience. He recently spoken at the SLCC. It doesn't really make sense to ignore a political figure just because their fans are annoying. Obama had some really annoying supporters but I still supported him and Hilary has some annoying supporters as well but I'll vote for Hilary if she wins the nomination. I care more about who is going to enact the policies I care about the most more than if their supporters are really annoying to me.

 

[Wall]

The twitter account clarified that it isn't an official BLM account, just a teenager stating their own opinion.

The facebook account was created hours ago and is likely fake.

I don't know if there's an official web presence for black lives matter seattle.

Which Facebook account is fake? I didn't know that about the Twitter account. Thanks for the correction/clarification.

Edit: I see the one with the apology was from a teenager not officially affiliated with Black Lives Matter.

 

[DECK'ARD]

Yeah it is. It does little to improve the state black Americans are in if you aren't also specifically dismantling what ailing our communities.

He goes heavily into race issues and what needs to change here:

https://berniesanders.com/statement-of-senator-bernard-sanders-to-the-national-urban-league/

That was just over a week ago, what should he be saying that he isn't?

 

[Big Green Anus]

Please do this for Hillary since she does not have the best record for minorities. I really want to see her under-pressure with this!

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDI-qzGPR_w

I find he has a lot of "let's look at this", but nothing really concrete.

Anyway, I've found the interview. He's solid in the interview, but this is only part where he trips:

https://youtu.be/S5vOKKMipSA?t=16m5s

 

[akira28]

I don't see any benefit from protesting Bernie that you don't already get from Bernie. You're converting someone to BLM who's already in BLM.

What benefit is there to protesting him? We know his track record, his current record: what will you get that you don't already receive from him? His supporters are most likely in your camp as well. So... what is it?

The point isn't to get him to let black civil rights groups become the center of attention. The point is to get him to sit down and talk to them. The "get white people on our side" phase of this battle is over. If they're not on our side already who's responsible for that? What can they get from meeting with him and having a direct line with a man who marched with Dr. King? A lot. Both sides of that could get a lot out of it. More than what you see, and if you're willing to just say that, this wouldn't be an issue, right? But instead you say "nothing"! 'I don't see it so of course it's nothing.'

I agree with the movement, but I don't get why they keep showing up a Bernie rallies.

Hillary isn't running on the progressive populist ticket. She's an institutional gal, and no one expects her to make big changes for minorities without some kind of signature in blood or something. A promise of our firstborn's votes. But Bernie is likable, and gives people hope, but they want to know there is more than hope and good ideas. He should see these people as comrades, brothers in arms, inheritors of the battles he fought in. But he's not relating, he's walking away to shake some hands.

 

[Indicate]

r/BlackLivesMatter

Fuck Bernie Sanders

What's going on?

Edit:
from /r/SandersForPresident

[–]Vermonty_PythonMayor Quimby [score hidden] an hour ago
They were brigaded with a lot of racism and couldn't handle the trafic. We were brigaded too.
I reached out to their mods and we've found common ground. They just reacted in the heat of the moment and thought the bigotry was coming from us. I assured them that we were banning and removing our own share of bigotry and hatred as well.

[–]Vermonty_PythonMayor Quimby 9 points 2 hours ago
Yes to both questions. /r/BlackWomen got brigaded too. Admins are investigating.

 

[Merc_]

Like this?

That was pretty good. I like it.

But he has spoken to a black audience. He recently spoken at the SLCC. It doesn't really make sense to ignore a political figure just because their fans are annoying. Obama had some really annoying supporters but I still supported him and Hilary has some annoying supporters as well but I'll vote for Hilary if she wins the nomination. I care more about who is going to enact the policies I care about the most more than if their supporters are really annoying to me.

There's being annoying, and then there's being condescending and dismissive. The Sanders supporters I usually see tend to fall into the latter category. I wouldn't really call it surprising that people tend to have misgivings about a political figure if he or she tends to attract a whole lot of a certain kind of person they don't like. For what it's worth, the folks over on r/sandersforpresident seem to be much better about trying to talk to black folk about the issues, so it's not a total loss as of yet.

 

[UltimaPooh]

What's going on?

What the what.

Has the community always been private?

 

[Subpar Spatula]

The point isn't to get him to let black civil rights groups become the center of attention. The point is to get him to sit down and talk to them. The "get white people on our side" phase of this battle is over. If they're not on our side already who's responsible for that? What can they get from meeting with him and having a direct line with a man who marched with Dr. King? A lot. Both sides of that could get a lot out of it. More than what you see, and if you're willing to just say that, this wouldn't be an issue, right? But instead you say "nothing"! 'I don't see it so of course it's nothing.'

What is this "a lot" both sides have to gain? "A lot" is not a benefit of any kind, it's to describe something you do gain (and plenty of it).

There's nothing wrong with saying they did a poor protest. You can still support them and find some actions dumb.

 

[SodiumBenzoate]

The Left eating themselves again.

Mmmmhmmm. "Let's target the easy game, for attention." These people are not doing themselves any favors and lack any perspective whatsoever.




Echoes of Occupy Wall Street

 

[kaching]

Yeah it is. It does little to improve the state black Americans are in if you aren't also specifically dismantling what ailing our communities.

Good thing Bernie's platform and the official BLM platform already agree on several of the policies needed to achieve that then, eh?

He should see these people as comrades, brothers in arms, inheritors of the battles he fought in. But he's not relating, he's walking away to shake some hands.

Doesn't this street go both ways? Or is this just how BLM treats all their "comrades"? Are they really doing any better job of "relating"?

 

[FiggyCal]

What's going on?

It's a private sub.

Edit: oh. The "fuck Bernie sanders" part didn't load for me at first. I thought you were linking to a thread.

 

[dehydratedbabies]

I find he has a lot of "let's look at this", but nothing really concrete.

What specific issues do you want concrete plans of action for that he hasn't provided?

What's going on?

I just submitted an access request saying "Hi! I would like the view this subreddit. Thanks!", then moments latest received this:

 

[UltimaPooh]

There's being annoying, and then there's being condescending and dismissive. The Sanders supporters I usually see tend to fall into the latter category. I wouldn't really call it surprising that people tend to have misgivings about a political figure if he or she tends to attract a whole lot of a certain kind of person they don't like. For what it's worth, the folks over on r/sandersforpresident seem to be much better about trying to talk to black folk about the issues, so it's not a total loss as of yet.

Everyone has groups of people that are condescending and dismissive, or idiots, or overtyl aggressive, or etc.

Thing is nobody likes being compared to them. BLM doesn't want to be compared with and lumped in with the rogue protestors today... and not all Bernie Sanders supporters wants to be lumped in with people who are dismissive of other communities plights.

 

[Infinite]

Good thing Bernie's platform and the official BLM platform already agree on several of the policies need to achieve that then, eh?

What are you on about?

 

[UltimaPooh]

It's a private sub.

Yeah but why?

Who runs it?

Just seems odd it's private.

 

[Kite]

What's going on?

[–]IrbyTremor [score hidden] 12 minutes ago
Yeah. BLM mod here
Because Reddit apparently thinks we are the movement itself rather than a sub just covering media around it. Now we're being brigaded, personally harassed and treated like we did it ourselves.
We're just a discussion/supporter sub. Now our modmail is unusable.
Honestly fuck Bernie supporters all to hell and back. Dude still has my vote but these people are insane.

–]NIGERIAN_PRINCE___ [score hidden] 4 minutes ago*
So it should say "fuck Bernie supporters" I don't think any other candidate supports the black lives matter movement as much as he does.
Here's him speaking at a sit-in in the University of Chicago against racially segregated housing... in 1962
http://imgur.com/1nrVm3M[1]

[–]AimToBCalmAndLogical [score hidden] 2 minutes ago
By saying fuck bernie they're just tryna make the people ruining their sub butthurt; I imagine it's working.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/3gb8kk/it_appears_as_if_rblacklivesmatter_has_gone/

 

[Transhuman]

He should see these people as comrades, brothers in arms, inheritors of the battles he fought in. But he's not relating, he's walking away to shake some hands.

He gave them the stage after they publicly disrupted him, and you're angry he didn't give them a hug or something after he called the crowd that gathered "liberal white supremacists"? I mean what the fuck are we even talking about right now?

Not to mention those two girls aren't actually affiliated with BLM and it looks like they're out for x minutes of fame. But hey, it's another excuse to shit on someone for not devoting 100% of their talking points specifically to shit you personally care about.

 

[airmangataosenai]

It's painful to say, but the left really has something to learn from the Tea Party. They have had amazing message discipline, and more importantly by and largew understand civics far better than the left seems to. They field candidates for their causes in primaries and petition their state governments to implement their (Awful) policies. With the left, all they seem to do is cause disruptions in the hope of making the news while at the same time acting as foils for "Law and Order" conservatives opposed to their cause while alienating people that agree with them.

Most of the police they are opposed to are not federal employees and yet all BLM seems interested in targeting are federal authorities. And even then, not federal leadership capable of actual change. The Tea Party worked on changing laws at the state level and were overwhelmingly successful at ruining the country that way. Why can't BLM follow the same blue print for something positive?

 

[akira28]

What is this "a lot" both sides have to gain? "A lot" is not a benefit of any kind, it's to describe something you do gain (and plenty of it).

There's nothing wrong with saying they did a poor protest. You can still support them and find some actions dumb.

you're doing that thing again where you're assuming I secretly think you have a point and I'm just resisting out of pride or something... I'm not even going to go into the specifics if you can't see beyond the abstract the benefits of making a very obvious and close ally of black civil rights protestors and groups. But there is a list of things both sides of the exchange would gain from association. And while i might have done things a little differently, I don't think it was a poor protest.

So put that in your pan and flip it.

Doesn't this street go both ways? Or is this just how BLM treats all their "comrades"? Are they really doing any better job of "relating"?

you mean those 2 girls? they don't speak for the movement, they aren't the only ones Bernie can reach out to. And BLM aren't the only involved actors in black civil rights protest, that just happens to be a hashtag that can follow Bernie and whomever, wherever they go.

He gave them the stage after they publicly disrupted him, and you're angry he didn't give them a hug or something after he called the crowd that gathered "liberal white supremacists"? I mean what the fuck are we even talking about right now?

I'm angry? Who said I was angry? Why are you saying I'm angry? Are you projecting? The Bernie-mob seem angry, I dunno. But why me?

Spoiler

Is it because I'm black?

anyway, no I'm not angry. I'm just saying he could rule it instead of this being some stupid shit people talk about again.

 

[And_Gignac]

[–]IrbyTremor [score hidden] 12 minutes ago
Yeah. BLM mod here
Because Reddit apparently thinks we are the movement itself rather than a sub just covering media around it. Now we're being brigaded, personally harassed and treated like we did it ourselves.
We're just a discussion/supporter sub. Now our modmail is unusable.
Honestly fuck Bernie supporters all to hell and back. Dude still has my vote but these people are insane.

–]NIGERIAN_PRINCE___ [score hidden] 4 minutes ago*
So it should say "fuck Bernie supporters" I don't think any other candidate supports the black lives matter movement as much as he does.
Here's him speaking at a sit-in in the University of Chicago against racially segregated housing... in 1962
http://imgur.com/1nrVm3M[1]

[–]AimToBCalmAndLogical [score hidden] 2 minutes ago
By saying fuck bernie they're just tryna make the people ruining their sub butthurt; I imagine it's working.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/3gb8kk/it_appears_as_if_rblacklivesmatter_has_gone/

smh. Some Berniebers just dont get it. Poor Bernie.

 

[FiggyCal]

[–]IrbyTremor [score hidden] 12 minutes ago
Yeah. BLM mod here
Because Reddit apparently thinks we are the movement itself rather than a sub just covering media around it. Now we're being brigaded, personally harassed and treated like we did it ourselves.
We're just a discussion/supporter sub. Now our modmail is unusable.
Honestly fuck Bernie supporters all to hell and back. Dude still has my vote but these people are insane.

–]NIGERIAN_PRINCE___ [score hidden] 4 minutes ago*
So it should say "fuck Bernie supporters" I don't think any other candidate supports the black lives matter movement as much as he does.
Here's him speaking at a sit-in in the University of Chicago against racially segregated housing... in 1962
http://imgur.com/1nrVm3M[1]

[–]AimToBCalmAndLogical [score hidden] 2 minutes ago
By saying fuck bernie they're just tryna make the people ruining their sub butthurt; I imagine it's working.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/3gb8kk/it_appears_as_if_rblacklivesmatter_has_gone/

Yeah. I guess it is kind of funny. Oh well.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

It's painful to say, but the left really has something to learn from the Tea Party. They have had amazing message discipline, and more importantly by and largew understand civics far better than the left seems to. They field candidates for their causes in primaries and petition their state governments to implement their (Awful) policies. With the left, all they seem to do is cause disruptions in the hope of making the news while at the same time acting as foils for "Law and Order" conservatives opposed to their cause while alienating people that agree with them.

Most of the police they are opposed to are not federal employees and yet all BLM seems interested in targeting are federal authorities. And even then, not federal leadership capable of actual change. The Tea Party worked on changing laws at the state level and were overwhelmingly successful at ruining the country that way. Why can't BLM follow the same blue print for something positive?

I think you might be overlooking some fundamental difference between the two groups.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

you're doing that thing again where you're assuming I secretly think you have a point and I'm just resisting out of pride or something... I'm not even going to go into the specifics if you can't see beyond the abstract the benefits of making a very obvious and close ally of black civil rights protestors and groups. But there is a list of things both sides of the exchange would gain from association. And while i might have done things a little differently, I don't think it was a poor protest.

So put that in your pan and flip it.

Essentially you don't know what they gain but they gain a lot and when asked to articulate you won't because I clearly can't see the obvious benefits.

Bernie Sanders is already an ally. He has always been. You're making an ally out of an already established ally.

 

[UltimaPooh]

[–]IrbyTremor [score hidden] 12 minutes ago
Yeah. BLM mod here
Because Reddit apparently thinks we are the movement itself rather than a sub just covering media around it. Now we're being brigaded, personally harassed and treated like we did it ourselves.
We're just a discussion/supporter sub. Now our modmail is unusable.
Honestly fuck Bernie supporters all to hell and back. Dude still has my vote but these people are insane.

Thanks for the update!

How long is it going to be locked down?

 

[kaching]

What are you on about?

You suggested that it's disappointing that Sanders' position doesn't address what needs to be dismantled to help ailing black communities, or did I misinterpret your reply? In any case, as a counterpoint, I was saying that Sanders official policies, last I checked, already overlaps significantly with what BLM proposes on that count. One interview notwithstanding.

you mean those 2 girls?

No not them specifically.

 

[Indicate]

[–]IrbyTremor [score hidden] 12 minutes ago
Yeah. BLM mod here
Because Reddit apparently thinks we are the movement itself rather than a sub just covering media around it. Now we're being brigaded, personally harassed and treated like we did it ourselves.
We're just a discussion/supporter sub. Now our modmail is unusable.
Honestly fuck Bernie supporters all to hell and back. Dude still has my vote but these people are insane.

–]NIGERIAN_PRINCE___ [score hidden] 4 minutes ago*
So it should say "fuck Bernie supporters" I don't think any other candidate supports the black lives matter movement as much as he does.
Here's him speaking at a sit-in in the University of Chicago against racially segregated housing... in 1962
http://imgur.com/1nrVm3M[1]

[–]AimToBCalmAndLogical [score hidden] 2 minutes ago
By saying fuck bernie they're just tryna make the people ruining their sub butthurt; I imagine it's working.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/3gb8kk/it_appears_as_if_rblacklivesmatter_has_gone/

Thanks. I don't think putting "fuck Bernie Sanders" was necessary. It'll only create more controversy.

 

[akira28]

Essentially you don't know what they gain but they gain a lot and when asked to articulate you won't because I clearly can't see the obvious benefits.

Bernie Sanders is already an ally. He has always been. You're making an ally out of an already established ally.

lol never change spatchie baby. Or actually please for your own sake, do change. do.

No not them specifically.

then we don't know who has tried reaching out to who on whichever available back-line. But are they comrades? Or is he just another "ally"?

 

[Subpar Spatula]

lol never change spatchie baby. Or actually please for your own sake, do change. do.

I'll take this is as you don't want to have a discussion.

 

[Kite]

Thanks for the update!

How long is it going to be locked down?

I've no clue, I'm not a mod or member of r/blacklivesmatter, just happened to be reading about it in r/subredditdrama when I changed tabs to gaf and saw the question about why the sub had gone private.

 

[UltimaPooh]

I've no clue, I'm not a mod or member of r/blacklivesmatter, just happened to be reading about it in r/subredditdrama when I changed tabs to gaf and saw the question about why the sub had gone private.

Oh.

Interesting sub reddit.

 

[akira28]

I'll take this is as you don't want to have a discussion.

well when you're so good at having discussions with your own assumptions, I though I'd just eat my chinese food here and watch.

 

[Indicate]

If they do it to all candidates i understand and that cud be smart if they only target a few it's a scam by another candidate RT @SEdison024: @KillerMike BLM protesters shut down Bernie Sanders speech. What are your thoughts? [url]http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/black-lives-matter-protesters-shut-down-bernie-sanders-rally/[/URL]

Hillary?

 

[A Link to the Past]

Thanks. I don't think putting "fuck Bernie Sanders" was necessary. It'll only create more controversy.

I mean they're already getting harassed. If these Sanders supporters escalate it beyond that, they aren't worth caring about.