Ronda Rousey: I can beat Mayweather in a no-rules fight.

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Elite combat athlete? You can't be talking about Floyd?

He's elite against BOXERS. He's elite against people who don't know how to pick him up and slam him face first into the floor.

He's elite against people who are limited in how they can strike him because he only reveals small areas of his body that are actually legal to hit. If he tried his turtle defence in a real fight vs an mama fighter hed simply end up being punched and kicked in the back of the head, neck, kidneys, knees, shins, spine.

His defensive skills as a boxer CANNOT be transplanted into a street fight.

It doesn't work like that.
You realise that in a street fight Floyd wouldn't have to play by the rules either?

I think your last sentence is completely wrong Btw. Defensive skill includes how Damn good he is at dodging punches and counter punching. He could definitely do that outside the ring.
 
Boxing is not fighting.

No matter how good you are in boxing, no matter the competition you've beaten, no matter how much more accurate you are, no matter how much more powerful your hits are, if you box you automatically lose to an MMA fighter within 20lbs of your fighting weight, male or female.

This is just silly, again we are comparing a female MMA fighter who beats up bums in her division and hasn't even proven herself to be the best female MMA fighter vs the best boxer of our generation going on 18 or so years.

MMA isn't an auto-win against anybody else who doesn't practice MMA. It has much more to do with the level of the fighter than the discipline.
 
I mean he's 100% correct. The type of defense Floyd uses in boxing doesn't translate at all to MMA. Its entirely different world.


When he was younger he was simply quick enough to avoid punches, he's older now and relies on the roll & shell, but that isn't his only form of defense.
 
Reach doesn't always equate to a pure advantage. Sure its great for keeping your opponent at a distance but there are strategies against this. Everything has a counter against it in the fighting world. What happens to that 6 inch reach once Mayweather gets under one of his jabs or feints his way inside him. When Mayweather gets inside (and he will) then Mayweather gets to show his boxing prowess by going to Silva's body or what i'd do and keep throwing overhand rights.

The 40 pounds on Mayweather is a great advantage. But at the same time, more weight doesn't always translate to better fighter or more punishing blows. Mayweathers weight class is where he is optimal at, there is no guarantee that him gaining weight would make his punches better unless it was all pure muscle. Same thing applies with Silva, yes he has more "weight" behind his punches, but that may not be that effective against someone like Mayweather who is used to punishing blows.

As for legs not changing anything, they are powerful tools that can lay someone out to be sure. And yeah Silva would implement, leg kicks to Mayweather to keep him at bay (Muay Thai techniques mostly). At the same time, there are countless defenses against leg strikes. Most importantly, its extremely hard to do a leg strike and use your hands right after. This leaves an opening that good fighters know how to exploit.

Silva would use everything at his disposal to take down Mayweather. Again, I don't believe for a second Floyd wouldn't train for that and know how to defend against most strikes. Dude is the top of his game in the boxing world, you'd be foolish to believe he would be dispatched without it being a huge struggle for whoever his opponent was. When it comes to grappling, I don't know if Floyd know how to counter against that. Still, striker to striker, Floyd wins against Silva.

Floyd is the best of the best, especially in his prime, but so was Silva. Anderson is simply entirely too big for Floyd to deal with. It isn't like Anderson is some bum who just happens to be bigger than Floyd. In his prime before he went nuts with the showboating he was insane. His reach is a huge factor, especially with his legs. If Floyd came in, it would be to Andersons advantage as well. If it goes to a clinch SIlva would dominate completely. If it goes to the ground..... lol
 
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Floyd is the best of the best, especially in his prime, but so was Silva. Anderson is simply entirely too big for Floyd to deal with. It isn't like Anderson is some bum who just happens to be bigger than Floyd. In his prime before he went nuts with the showboating he was insane. His reach is a huge factor, especially with his legs. If Floyd came in, it would be to Andersons advantage as well. If it goes to a clinch SIlva would dominate completely. If it goes to the ground..... lol

Yeah again, I understand saying Floyd beats Rousey.

But Anderson would obliterate him
 
No matter how good you are in boxing, no matter the competition you've beaten, no matter how much more accurate you are, no matter how much more powerful your hits are, if you box you automatically lose to an MMA fighter within 20lbs of your fighting weight, male or female.

This is just silly, again we are comparing a female MMA fighter who beats up bums in her division and hasn't even proven herself to be the best female MMA fighter vs the best boxer of our generation going on 18 or so years.

MMA isn't an auto-win against anybody else who doesn't practice MMA. It has much more to do with the level of the fighter than the discipline.

Spoken like a true bandwagoner, or not been an MMA fan for a long time. Ray Mercer knocking out former UFC HW champion in 7 seconds? James Warring beating Erik Paulson (a noted MMA fighter, also Josh Barnett's trainer), and many other instances.

I know what you're trying to say though, but it's not that black and white. Floyd can and I'm 98% sure WOULD KO Ronda as she tries to close the distance. I'd actually give someone like Miesha Tate more of a chance at beating Floyd because she changes levels and shoots for singles/doubles which would allow her to have a better chance at not getting caught coming in, ala Couture/Toney.
 
Elite combat athlete? You can't be talking about Floyd?

He's elite against BOXERS. He's elite against people who don't know how to pick him up and slam him face first into the floor.

He's elite against people who are limited in how they can strike him because he only reveals small areas of his body that are actually legal to hit. If he tried his turtle defence in a real fight vs an mama fighter hed simply end up being punched and kicked in the back of the head, neck, kidneys, knees, shins, spine.

His defensive skills as a boxer CANNOT be transplanted into a street fight.

It doesn't work like that.

Floyd uses the rules of boxing to shut out his opponents. He minimizes the damage he takes, by not getting hit. But he doesn't always fight like that, he can go aggressive for stretches. Against Mosley, for instance, he lit him up in the last couple of rounds before cruising.

Again, I think you're another example of someone who isn't getting it. MMA is a relatively new sport. The talent pool of MMA is currently drawn from primarily wrestlers and BJJ grapplers, because there's no "big league" professional venues for these guys. Striking in MMA is mostly rudimentary, and the level of athlete in MMA is fairly low. There are a few exceptions, but this is generally the case. Look at current UFC champions. A guy like Chris Weidman is a good striker for MMA, but his head movement and ability to slip punches is abysmal.

Make me understand why Floyd Mayweather, who has hands better than anyone who has ever fought in MMA as far as speed, and with 4 ounce gloves would have good power, could not have been successful in MMA if he had transitioned in his prime? Again, there have been many MMA fighters who used a combination of boxing and defensive wrestling to win fights. You're telling me someone with better hands, who is far-and-away a better athlete, with more endurance, more speed, and better reflexes, could not have made his mark in MMA? You think a smart fighter like Floyd couldn't have learned to sprawl, learned to check kicks? Really? Nah. You're wrong, absolutely wrong.
 
https://youtu.be/tj7eqk6JlLc?t=7m25s

Here's video of Mayweather being grabbed just one minute into a fight against someone else with zero grappling experience.

The idea that a trained Judoka has no ability to close distance and grapple with a boxer is insane. Boxers grab boxers ALL THE TIME. And people think that a referee *not* stopping a clinch somehow favours Mayweather?

Having said that, men are stronger than women and that may give Rousey fits, but an Olympic medal winning Judoka should be able to drop a novice on their head. I also don't see Mayweather taking a couple of classes and overcoming Rousey's decades of training in the martial art.

Historically, boxers haven't fared to well in MMA comps. This question is interesting because it crosses a gender line. They should go to Japan and fight.
 
You realise that in a street fight Floyd wouldn't have to play by the rules either?

I think your last sentence is completely wrong Btw. Defensive skill includes how Damn good he is at dodging punches and counter punching. He could definitely do that outside the ring.

Yes, punches.

That are only allowed in certain areas.

Not kicks.

Not grappling.

Not knees.

Not elbows.

Not choke holds.

Floyd can see a punch coming 100 years ago but does he have even basic defensive knowledge about any of that?

You realise that an mma fighters general skill set is more equipped to deal with and deal out all of these things that are more common in street fights?

If Floyd doesn't have these skills and his opponent practices them on a daily basis, why does he win?

Because he has excellent boxing skills? The skills Floyd uses to win i.e his turtle defence, doesn't work in a street fight.

He's fast? Fast at what though? How fast can Floyd avoid a kick? When he instinctively goes into turtle defence when a punch is thrown how quickly will he avoid a stamp on his shin? His foot is fucked. How fast is he now?

He's fast at countering? What if his opponent can destroy him without ever throwing a punch? What is his countering skill doing for him?

He can go on the offensive against a boxer that will be penalised by the referee for holding him and can only defend by evading or blocking. How does combo speed help against someone who knows how to judo throw him across the room?

Were talking about skill sets after all whenever were defending Floyd but...

Boxing skills do not translate.

Its pretty simple.
 
Guys street fights involve punches lol

Floyd uses the rules of boxing to shut out his opponents. He minimizes the damage he takes, by not getting hit. But he doesn't always fight like that, he can go aggressive for stretches. Against Mosley, for instance, he lit him up in the last couple of rounds before cruising.

Again, I think you're another example of someone who isn't getting it. MMA is a relatively new sport. The talent pool of MMA is currently drawn from primarily wrestlers and BJJ grapplers, because there's no "big league" professional venues for these guys. Striking in MMA is mostly rudimentary, and the level of athlete in MMA is fairly low. There are a few exceptions, but this is generally the case. Look at current UFC champions. A guy like Chris Weidman is a good striker for MMA, but his head movement and ability to slip punches is abysmal.

Make me understand why Floyd Mayweather, who has hands better than anyone who has ever fought in MMA as far as speed, and with 4 ounce gloves would have good power, could not have been successful in MMA if he had transitioned in his prime? Again, there have been many MMA fighters who used a combination of boxing and defensive wrestling to win fights. You're telling me someone with better hands, who is far-and-away a better athlete, with more endurance, more speed, and better reflexes, could not have made his mark in MMA? You think a smart fighter like Floyd couldn't have learned to sprawl, learned to check kicks? Really? Nah. You're wrong, absolutely wrong.

A recent example of what Floyd might have looked like in MMA is probably Conor McGregor.
 
A recent example of what Floyd might have looked like in MMA is probably Conor McGregor.

Yep, definitely. McGregor is an awesome MMA fighter. I thought he was hype but he wrecked Mendes, who was supposed to take him down and submit him (sounds familiar in this topic, lol). I love that dude's confidence. It takes a special guy to go in with his boxing and face down an elite MMA wrestler. He even threw kicks. Watching I was like "is he crazy". He WAS crazy... like a damn fox.
 
Ok, so why do guys like McGregor, Rampage, Arlovksi, Kharitonov, Nick Diaz, and Dominick Cruz have so much success? These are guys who almost-exclusively use boxing in MMA.

Because, they start training to be MMA fighters and as such, learn at least basic defenses for many techniques they'd never even seen in a boxing ring?

Mixed martial artists are mixed martial artists. Even ones that box primarily.
 
The idea that Floyd Mayweather, a world class boxer who dodges other world class boxers trying to take his head off in split seconds is just going to let Ronda or any other mma scrub walk up on him and take him down is fucking hilarious. Somebody said she'll grab him lmfao.The only thing thats gonna happen is you're going to get hit with a lead right that's gonna knock you on your ass and after that it's over. Alot of you obviously hitting up those ufc gyms and turn into experts on all things combat. This thread is hilarious.
 
The idea that Floyd Mayweather, a world class boxer who dodges other world class boxers trying to take his head off in split seconds is just going to let Ronda or any other mma scrub walk up on him and take him down is fucking hilarious. Somebody said she'll grab him lmfao.The only thing thats gonna happen is you're going to get hit with a lead right that's gonna knock you on your ass and after that it's over. Alot of you obviously hitting up those ufc gyms and turn into experts on all things combat. This thread is hilarious.

But Ronda beat legendary warrior Charmaine Tweet!

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Surely she can get to Mayweather, as long as he just stands there and doesn't use any of his world-class footwork, repeated in and out strikes to the solar plexus, punches to her gut and ribs if she actually manages to clinch, nah...I'm sure she'll get to him unscathed.

All she has to do is not throw a single punch, and I mean a SINGLE punch, otherwise it'll be:

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And hope he didn't train at all in MMA during the leadup to the fight.
 
Surely she can get to Mayweather, as long as he just stands there and doesn't use any of his world-class footwork, repeated in and out strikes to the solar plexus, punches to her gut and ribs if she actually manages to clinch, nah...I'm sure she'll get to him unscathed.

All she has to do is not throw a single punch, and I mean a SINGLE punch, otherwise it'll be:

And hope he didn't train at all in MMA during the leadup to the fight.
Pretty much. She has no chance against him, rules or no rules. Zero.
 
Ronda fights in cages where the gloves they use barelynprovide any barrier to pain and is accustomed to getting hit with knees and elbows.

Floyd fights in a ring where his opponents are wearing 10oz of padding over the only things theyre allowed to touch him with..

I think she can take a hit just as well as anyone.

That's a misconception. Boxing gloves primarily protect the hands allowing harder punches to be thrown without injury to the aggressor. It's why earlier bare knuckle boxing went on for 100+ rounds on occasion, head punches more often than not cause a broken hand if done at full strength, so it would be a long slow game of body hits and sharp jabs to wear the opposition down. Boxing gloves do reduce cuts which gives the impression that they help, but cuts don't kill you.

If Mayweather were allowed to wear gloves he could open up, she couldn't stand more than a couple of big head shots, she really wouldn't be used to the kind of power that comes from having fully protected hands. If he wasn't allowed to wear gloves, he wouldn't be able to hit her at full whack and he'd probably lose due to Ronda's much more rounded skill base.
 
The Randy Coture vs James Toney fight is a good example of what happens 9/10 times when a great boxer with no wrestling training takes on a talented grappler. These Mayweather gifs argue a point in a scenario where Ronda stands with Floyd at all, instead of immediately shooting for a single or double, taking him down with ease. If Floyd doesn't knock her out in the first few seconds he's on the ground and it's a wrap.
 
Spoken like a true bandwagoner, or not been an MMA fan for a long time. Ray Mercer knocking out former UFC HW champion in 7 seconds? James Warring beating Erik Paulson (a noted MMA fighter, also Josh Barnett's trainer), and many other instances.

I know what you're trying to say though, but it's not that black and white. Floyd can and I'm 98% sure WOULD KO Ronda as she tries to close the distance. I'd actually give someone like Miesha Tate more of a chance at beating Floyd because she changes levels and shoots for singles/doubles which would allow her to have a better chance at not getting caught coming in, ala Couture/Toney.

I'm a bandwagoner because I said that MMA would not insta beat every other fighting discipline? I'm sure you didn't read my post NOTHING in my post says it's as simple as black and white.
 
I mean he's 100% correct. The type of defense Floyd uses in boxing doesn't translate at all to MMA. Its entirely different world.

Remember when Bas Rutten say that a jab cannot work on mma, and people like you all agree, the same with rolling with the punches, head movement, etc.

What Floyd does, its not gonna work against someone like Aldo or Dillashaw but against the likes or Ronda with her really limited skillset and huge athletic difference, Floyd by KO.
 
The Randy Coture vs James Toney fight is a good example of what happens 9/10 times when a great boxer with no wrestling training takes on a talented grappler. These Mayweather gifs argue a point in a scenario where Ronda stands with Floyd at all, instead of immediately shooting for a single or double, taking him down with ease. If Floyd doesn't knock her out in the first few seconds he's on the ground and it's a wrap.

...James Toney fought in the ..early to mid 90's when did they fight in UFC? Didn't Ray Mercer one shot someone in an mma fight like 10 years after his career was over too? These are joke matches no boxer in the middle of his career is fighting a mma fighter in the middle of their career so who cares. All these boxing examples are either guys who either done boxing , or weren't very good at boxing. acting like roberto duran in his prime got trashed.....
 
Rousey would take it over Mayweather. Using gifs of her getting tagged by other female fighters is poor because she knows she can strike and take a punch from them. She's not going to stand with Mayweather. Give Mayweather a year in training TDD and it still wouldn't be enough. Fastest reactionary boxer don't mean much when you gotta worry about every other technique in the book.
 
Shes a multiple combat arts champ.

Floyd isnt.

Its not a controversial statement.



Ronda fights in cages where the gloves they use barelynprovide any barrier to pain and is accustomed to getting hit with knees and elbows.

Floyd fights in a ring where his opponents are wearing 10oz of padding over the only things theyre allowed to touch him with..

I think she can take a hit just as well as anyone.

She can take out floyd, arguably one of the best boxers of all time, but she's not making it happen to fight Cyborg. Why won't she fight Fallon Fox if she'll take on Floyd?
 
She was ok at first. Now she's just annoying. I hope this Cyborg fight happens and Rousey loses so I can stop seeing her all over the sports pages.
 
Idk, I think Floyd, who's been boxing since he could walk, hits harder than any woman Ronda has sparred or faced. If he catches her with one right hand wearing no gloves or those puny ufc gloves, she's going down for the count.. No question about it.

But..

If she manages to get her hands on Floyd, she might snap one of his arms or legs like a twig. But remember, Floyd has insane defense. And no I'm not talking about running away (which I don't think he does) but ground defense is different than shoulder rolling too lol

It would never happen here in America.. Idk why, when people are fighting for equality. This would definitely be cool, so they could just shut up about it already.

And some of you are crazy just picking Rousey because she knows MMA. There are variations in any given fight. Shit happens.

Some of you act like Mayweather wouldn't win a street fight lol
 
You realise that in a street fight Floyd wouldn't have to play by the rules either?

I think your last sentence is completely wrong Btw. Defensive skill includes how Damn good he is at dodging punches and counter punching. He could definitely do that outside the ring.

the most embarrassing thing is when people say "no rules fight" as if wrestling wouldnt work anywhere outside of competition or that getting kick in your ribs wouldnt put you out on your ass.
 
Because MMA is like 10 times closer to a "no rules" fight than boxing is.

Its not so easy to get a clean hit because people get knocked out on clean hits in MMA too.

Actually it's not. MMA lets you do more, but you'd get in a ton of trouble pulling some of those ground moves in 'real fight settings', especially where you're potentially facing multiple attackers, you don't want to go to the ground, and if you're on the ground, you want to get up as fast as possible to avoid getting stomped by other people. Boxing is one of the most effective arts in a street fight because you keep yourself on your feet and you get your opponent out of there as quickly as possible.
 
Yes, punches.

That are only allowed in certain areas.

Not kicks.

Not grappling.

Not knees.

Not elbows.

Not choke holds.

Floyd can see a punch coming 100 years ago but does he have even basic defensive knowledge about any of that?

You realise that an mma fighters general skill set is more equipped to deal with and deal out all of these things that are more common in street fights?

If Floyd doesn't have these skills and his opponent practices them on a daily basis, why does he win?

Because he has excellent boxing skills? The skills Floyd uses to win i.e his turtle defence, doesn't work in a street fight.

He's fast? Fast at what though? How fast can Floyd avoid a kick? When he instinctively goes into turtle defence when a punch is thrown how quickly will he avoid a stamp on his shin? His foot is fucked. How fast is he now?

He's fast at countering? What if his opponent can destroy him without ever throwing a punch? What is his countering skill doing for him?

He can go on the offensive against a boxer that will be penalised by the referee for holding him and can only defend by evading or blocking. How does combo speed help against someone who knows how to judo throw him across the room?

Were talking about skill sets after all whenever were defending Floyd but...

Boxing skills do not translate.

Its pretty simple.

Does Ronda have the skillet to deal with getting punched in the jaw by someone who hits MUCH harder than she's ever been hit before and punches MUCH faster than she's ever seen a strike thrown? And it's not easy grabbing someone and setting them up for a throw when you're fighting someone as fast as Mayweather.
 
She could win if he's asleep. Other than that, hell no. Whoever throws the faster punches and controls the head usually wins any fight. I guess she could wear an iron man suit and win though.
 
Does Ronda have the skillet to deal with getting punched in the jaw by someone who hits MUCH harder than she's ever been hit before and punches MUCH faster than she's ever seen a strike thrown? And it's not easy grabbing someone and setting them up for a throw when you're fighting someone as fast as Mayweather.

She doesn't, so far the only way she has close the distance, against her awful competition, has been running in a straight line with her chin up.
 
Does Ronda have the skillet to deal with getting punched in the jaw by someone who hits MUCH harder than she's ever been hit before and punches MUCH faster than she's ever seen a strike thrown? And it's not easy grabbing someone and setting them up for a throw when you're fighting someone as fast as Mayweather.


fights, especially street fights(and thats the only "no rules" thing i will stand by) can be chaotic as fuck. the thing you are forgetting is floyd is a tiny dude and ronda is a big woman. people who dont fight think people are getting flash KO'ed all the time. its not that easy to knock people out like that unless you are a lot bigger
 
fights, especially street fights(and thats the only "no rules" thing i will stand by) can be chaotic as fuck. the thing you are forgetting is floyd is a tiny dude and ronda is a big woman. people who dont fight think people are getting flash KO'ed all the time. its not that easy to knock people out like that unless you are a lot bigger

Yea. I am not trying to sound like a bad ass, but having been in plenty of fights I can tell you no one circles one another and fights by any kind of rules. It's all fury and chaos and bum rushing and yelling and blood and slobber, grasping and scratches. I think Ronda would beat his little ass.
 
Would she refuse unless Floyd dropped to 135?

She would still be at a disadvantage strength wise. The reason men are stronger than women isn't just to do with weight.

Someone mentioned Royce Gracie beating opponents much bigger than him. I think I could just about buy her winning through technique. Maybe. If Mayweather caught her though it may suddenly turn into a pretty horrible mismatch.
 
Yea. I am not trying to sound like a bad ass, but having been in plenty of fights I can tell you no one circles one another and fights by any kind of rules. It's all fury and chaos and bum rushing and yelling and blood and slobber, grasping and scratches. I think Ronda would beat his little ass.

He's bigger than she is. And people who don't know how to fight are all "fury and chaos". Someone who has been fighting since he was 5 will probably let you flail around like a buffoon, wait for his shot and take it, knocking you unconscious. He's knocked out men bigger and stronger than Ronda with big ass gloves on. Give him UFC gloves or bare knuckles and he would knock her out with one punch. He migh tbreak his hand doing it but she'd be out. Obviously if she grapples him he won't know what to do aside from using his natural ability and strength advantage to try and get out of it, but that's her world. She could probably sub him. This hypothetical matchup that will never happen really comes down to that. If Ronda comes in trying to strike (lol) or shoot and catches a punch she's probably done. If she gets a hold of Floyd and grapples him it probably becomes an ugly BJJ exhibition.
 
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