I ran into an issue with the QNAP Nas TS-451. I have an itunes media server setup. However, it times out repeatedly and fails to mount in itunes from time to time. How do I fix the timeout issue and have the itunes server mount easily without fail? I'm using a retina macbook pro 2014.
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It's the NAS (Network Attached Storage) Thread, yo.
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Server 2012 actually has a built-in backup feature, but file level restore would be trickier. It's built in method for fulls with shadow copies enabled wouldn't be terrible though.
'doh I forgot about that. You have to install it for some azure stuff and other things.
So in other words, not really the best solution?
I want to backup/have access to files from 1-3 machines. The backup data could be a OS backup in case I needed to restore the whole shebang, but more-so a place to put files I do not want to lose. Hopefully this backup could be automated in some fashion. I would also like to have access to the movies/music I have on it when needed for streaming.
I am fine getting a NAS or some other solution rather than Win 2012 which I could just keep as a web server/fool around machine.
yea i dont know anyone that actually uses it for sole backup solution. For Microsofts System Center Data Protection Manager, it has to be installed to backup hyper-v to Azure.
Like i said originally for what you want, you probably want some set of software. Drive snapshot drive snapshot.de/en is realtively cheap and will take an image of the whole drive you choose to backup. It will take incrementals, you can setup scheduled tasks within windows to automatically back up.
Other solutions like crashplan will allow you to backup multiple computers to one, but is more expensive.
I really recommend Veeam's free backup solution.
http://www.veeam.com/endpoint-backup-free.html
Many other free backup solutions won't run on a Server OS.
http://www.veeam.com/endpoint-backup-free.html
Many other free backup solutions won't run on a Server OS.
you can't automate VEEAMs free version. I tried even using powershell, but they lock powershell down unless you pay for the license.
That said, I still use it for my lab, its freaking great and super easy.
Eh? are you sure? We have ours connected to a Enterprise repository so maybe that changes it but they definitely run nightly.
Maybe its the free version for VM backups that can't be scheduled?
Yea I was using their backup edition for VMs.
Do you think a good NAS is a good way to go? I am looking for something I do not have to spend time learning becoming an IT guru (because I do not have that time in my days!)
Would I still need to install some form of software on my machines I want to backup in this case?
Example: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00O3Y7F02/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Would I still need to install some form of software on my machines I want to backup in this case?
Example: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00O3Y7F02/?tag=neogaf0e-20
I am not familiar with a lot of consumer NAS, but I would imagine to sync file its going to need some sort of software on the endpoints or the NAS itself to do that. But to get a bare metal backup you're going to need some sort of software beyond the NAS.
OKay, so I guess I can punt on the backup software for the moment and look at the back end. I am now leaning towards the little higher end version of the one I listed above.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00L8GHOQ8/?tag=neogaf0e-20
4GM and diskless. Then I would buy some disks separate to run in RAID 1 so I have a full backup/backup. (Or maybe screw RAID and just go with straight backup)
Is this a good solution? I would take the Windows server (95% I do not need) out of it as it appears I can also run a web server.
Edit: Actually maybe I should get a 1GB version and install my own RAM if it is cheaper?
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00L8GHOQ8/?tag=neogaf0e-20
4GM and diskless. Then I would buy some disks separate to run in RAID 1 so I have a full backup/backup. (Or maybe screw RAID and just go with straight backup)
Is this a good solution? I would take the Windows server (95% I do not need) out of it as it appears I can also run a web server.
Edit: Actually maybe I should get a 1GB version and install my own RAM if it is cheaper?
TarpitCarnivore
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Like Synology I imagine QNAP's software has plug-ins for services like Amazon Glacier, but they may not be cost effective for you. So you may need to look into Backblaze or Crashplan to handle this.
Always run atleast raid 1 (if you like to keep your data)
TarpitCarnivore
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I would run RAID 1. While it's not the most fault tolerant way to go it's at least something. Given how large drives are now the potential for drive failure and bad writes is way higher.
I kind of wish I waited a few more months and went with an 8 bay over a 4 bay, but that premium was really hard to swallow. I could have built for cheaper, but just didn't feel like doing that again and learning ZFS, etc.
8 bays?? That is a pretty expensive endeavor! I am planning on the 2 bay.
What are good options for HD's? I was looking at http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EHBERSE/?tag=neogaf0e-20 but are there any other good options? Maybe cheaper so I can more size?
TarpitCarnivore
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As I said, because drive sizes have gotten so big there is a bit more concern over data with a single fault tolerant set up. The rebuild time on a 4TB drive took a few hours and in that time anything could still go down. With a RAID 6 or 10 set up you're getting two fault tolerant drives.
As for drives I bought Hitach Deskstar
2bays is fine, i have an old qnap TS-219P, its running two drives that i broke out of two WD passport external USB enclosure, im on 45000+ powered on hours and both of them are still in good health.
ooh and them WD 4tb reds are as good as it gets for consumer stuff
Okay, so I will get two of those. I may move to a 6TB so I can have the space. I was not planning on going RAID 1.
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
Has anyone with a Synology Hybraraid in a +2 hot spare configuration tried their luck with Seagate 8TB drives? Can you comment on the following:
1) So you really need to buy three of them to see any size increase right?
2) How long did it take to rebuild your entire volume with each drive addition
3) Did any drives (including your existing ones) die during the rebuild?
4) How long have you been running it?
My main fear is that 8TB takes a long time to build up parity data and we're talking about repeating that stressful process three times -- Seagates don't like stress.
1) So you really need to buy three of them to see any size increase right?
2) How long did it take to rebuild your entire volume with each drive addition
3) Did any drives (including your existing ones) die during the rebuild?
4) How long have you been running it?
My main fear is that 8TB takes a long time to build up parity data and we're talking about repeating that stressful process three times -- Seagates don't like stress.
EDIT: LOL Seagate
Okay, I am thinking of pulling the trigger. Is this good?
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00L8GHOQ8/?tag=neogaf0e-20
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005LDLVAO/?tag=neogaf0e-20
(x2) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EHBERSE/?tag=neogaf0e-20
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00L8GHOQ8/?tag=neogaf0e-20
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005LDLVAO/?tag=neogaf0e-20
(x2) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EHBERSE/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Has anyone with a Synology Hybraraid in a +2 hot spare configuration tried their luck with Seagate 8TB drives? Can you comment on the following:
1) So you really need to buy three of them to see any size increase right?
2) How long did it take to rebuild your entire volume with each drive addition
3) Did any drives (including your existing ones) die during the rebuild?
4) How long have you been running it?
My main fear is that 8TB takes a long time to build up parity data and we're talking about repeating that stressful process three times -- Seagates don't like stress.
EDIT: LOL Seagate
1) use this tool to figure out your capacity
https://www.synology.com/en-us/support/RAID_calculator
2) depends on the drives, size of them and what NAS box you have , my guess is you are looking at around 50MB/s for new multi bay solutions.
3) No haven't had that happen (22 disk setup, mix of HGST and WD drives, so far only one drive died, and that was within the first month of running, so it was bad from HGST factory)
4) with 10 disks 2years then upgrade to 22 disks total and that has been running for little over 1 year (approx 96 TB capacity)
looks good, but i have no idea if the RAM will fit... do it
Couple more question for the QNAP before I order.
If I got a 4 bay, could I put my 2 4TB RED drives as Raid 1, and the put a lone 4TB drive in as an extra non-raid drive? OR is RAID 5 an option? Although I would have two types of drives. 2 of the reds and one Seagate 4TB Desktop HDD SATA 6Gb/s NCQ 64MB
If I got a 4 bay, could I put my 2 4TB RED drives as Raid 1, and the put a lone 4TB drive in as an extra non-raid drive? OR is RAID 5 an option? Although I would have two types of drives. 2 of the reds and one Seagate 4TB Desktop HDD SATA 6Gb/s NCQ 64MB
industrian
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The Storage Manager should allow you to pick and choose what disks to use in a RAID and also what ones to just run separately. There's lots of options available.
I've got a TS-251 with 4GB RAM. 2x 4TB WD Reds in RAID 1.
I've got a TS-251 with 4GB RAM. 2x 4TB WD Reds in RAID 1.
Tudor
Member
Im using an Apple Xserve connected to a 16 bay Promise vTrak e610f Fibre channel array as my 'NAS', i have a few other servers/arrays as well but they stray far from the point of the thread.
I may have taken the idea of a NAS just a touch more to the extreme, but proper planning and waiting for good deals means that the money i did spend will service my needs well into the future.
Quick question for those running QNAP/Drobo/WD/etc NASs, how often do you use the other functionality of the device? Do you use the built in bittorrent clients, DLNA servers etc or are they simply networked hard drives? And following on from that, how well do they function as media servers etc?
I may have taken the idea of a NAS just a touch more to the extreme, but proper planning and waiting for good deals means that the money i did spend will service my needs well into the future.
Quick question for those running QNAP/Drobo/WD/etc NASs, how often do you use the other functionality of the device? Do you use the built in bittorrent clients, DLNA servers etc or are they simply networked hard drives? And following on from that, how well do they function as media servers etc?
I use DLNA all the time and every day, its the best thing since sliced bread.
Only other service i use is FTP server.
BTW. don't know if they changed much but last time i tried Drobo it was super crap(2½ years ago)
if you get something new get qnap or synology
you did the right thing
i bought my TS-219P in 2009, and its still running like a champ, and they are still releasing updates for it. so you should be set for many years.
you did the right thing
i bought my TS-219P in 2009, and its still running like a champ, and they are still releasing updates for it. so you should be set for many years.
Man, I tried posting to the QNAP forums with a question and I got a nice snarky reply. I just wanted to know if setting up RAID 1 with my 2 new drives/main backup, with a 3rd drive as a "don't care data space" was okay. The 3rd drive got ripped apart as being crappy and that I should dump into a landfill.
Sure, okay .... but can I use it and not take down the whole machine when it dies? I am assuming yes. I just want to put my movies/music on it which I have backed up on an external already
Geesh. Some serious elitism there.
Marty Chinn
Member
You didn't ask them the right way.
You're supposed to say, "QNAP sucks because you can't set it up with RAID 1 with two drives and a 3rd drive as a don't care data space!"
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
Thanks for this and the other information.
lol.. but yeah it should be no problem to add a drive later and make it into its own separate thing. You should also be able to use their weird online cloud migration tool crap to change the setup to raid5 later(but i am actually surprised that they don't have a dynamic RAID solution yet)
Well I get my drives tomorrow, the RAM and NAS Wednesday. I am looking forward to setting it up. Since this is my first attempt at this .... it should be interesting.
Do I need a monitor too hook this up, or can I remote in and get the GUI? Or do I need a monitor initially and then later I can remote in using the GUI?
industrian
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I've used my QNAP TS-251 as a media player (HDMI-out and XBMC). I've also used it as a testbed for Wordpress development and I've messed around with its integrated hypervisor and run a few VMs.
I've not had the time really to fully use it to its capabilities. I bought it when I was going to start a company, but due to unforeseen stuff I couldn't start a company at that time. I see a lot of potential for it in surveillance, hosting, testing, and even as a DVR. Hopefully I'll be able to get back on track with starting that company early next year and take it from there. But as of right now the NAS is mainly just a dump for all of my game ISOs, unaltered Blu-ray dumps, movies, music, and stuff like that.
Why are you upgrading the RAM? For virtualization?
Well, I bought the 1 GB RAM version and getting 8GB chips was only 45 bucks .... I never found that more RAM was bad. I plan on running some web pages, streaming my movies and doing general backup stuff for now. Well ... once I figure out how to set it up and stuff!
industrian
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I've got the 4GB RAM version, so I've no complaints.
I'm not sure if you've seen it before, but there's a guide to upgrading the RAM on the QNAP website: https://www.qnap.com/i/uk/support/con_show.php?cid=9#5_4 .
I've got the 4GB RAM version, so I've no complaints.
I'm not sure if you've seen it before, but there's a guide to upgrading the RAM on the QNAP website: https://www.qnap.com/i/uk/support/con_show.php?cid=9#5_4 .
Oh cool, thanks!
Do you need to create seperate accounts? I was not planning on making multiple ones, but I have both me and my wife who will be using it. More me than her, but she will back stuff up, etc.
industrian
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You don't need to make separate accounts, but it helps to simplify things. Each account has its own personal "home" folder that would help to organise data. She could probably mount this folder as a network drive on her PC to make backing up easier.
crisdecuba
Member
Some basic / general questions for those with a NAS setup. I'm thinking of building one to have as the central media storage solution for our house.
1. In actual use, can a NAS function as essentially a big drive that all the computers can access?
2. Any concerns with going with FreeNAS over some other software solution?
3. I have some shared folders on my network. Sometimes accessing those folders from another computer can have some lag when it comes to opening the folder -- will I experience something similar with a NAS setup?
Thanks in advance!
1. In actual use, can a NAS function as essentially a big drive that all the computers can access?
2. Any concerns with going with FreeNAS over some other software solution?
3. I have some shared folders on my network. Sometimes accessing those folders from another computer can have some lag when it comes to opening the folder -- will I experience something similar with a NAS setup?
Thanks in advance!
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
1. A NAS is essentially a small PC. Most of them have hundreds of ways of sharing data/files between computers. But yes, put it on your LAN and every device connected to the LAN will be able to save files to it and load files from it.
3. This is mainly down to your network environment. There's always going to be slight lag as the data needs to go from drive>NAS software>ethernet cable/wi-fi>switch/router>your device, but I haven't noticed anything gamebreaking on my NAS. Just make sure that you're using gigabit ethernet or another high-speed connection method.
3. This is mainly down to your network environment. There's always going to be slight lag as the data needs to go from drive>NAS software>ethernet cable/wi-fi>switch/router>your device, but I haven't noticed anything gamebreaking on my NAS. Just make sure that you're using gigabit ethernet or another high-speed connection method.
So I should probably have the admin account, my account and my wife's account?
What about initial setup. Do I need to hook a mouse/keyboard/monitor to it, or can I remote in to do it all (once it starts up)
d00d3n
Member
I was excited for the extended functionality stuff initially when I bought my 4-bay synology nas, but I quickly transitioned to only using it as file storage on my local network. With this in mind I went for a mini-PC/Open Media Vault build for my next nas: you get all the basic features for much less money, basically. Getting extended functionality stuff to work properly will probably be painful compared with synology, but if you don't use it it doesn't matter.
industrian
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As I'm the only person who uses mine I just have an admin account. But for every day use it may be best if you set up two non-admin accounts for yourself and your wife, and only use the admin account for once-in-a-while settings changes, firmware, and other stuff.
For the initial set up, go to http://start.qnap.com and take it from there. I did a "Local Installation" on that page. I greatly recommend downloading the Qfinder program from the QNAP website. It's a utility that makes it a lot easier to access the NAS and to set things up (network drives, etc).
I believe that newer QNAP NAS can be installed by connecting a mouse/keyboard/monitor to it, but the TS-251 and TS-451 do not have this firmware. When I tried to set my TS-251 this way I just got a "Please set up your NAS" message.
Oh neat. So it looks like I can do it all from my PC once I get the initial startup going using that app.
This thing has a lot of cool apps/features.
EDIT: I got another reply on the tread ....
Not sure what that means other than I shouldn't put it in?
Got the Shakes
Member
Wrong thread.